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This CRT will be split into 2 parts, and is not a continuation per se but directly related to this previous CRT. As the title implies, this CRT will be me making an argument for why Punishing: Gray Raven should be tier 1. This CRT will be my first second ever tier 1 CRT so please bear with me. Now that the PGR verse has been made, with the profile of Rosetta down the next step is the implementation of verse specific abilities, with those being Construct Physiology & Punishing Virus respectively. Construct Physiology should be quite simple and easy, that is until we get to the Omega Frames, originally I had thought to just release the page in the state it had previously been in. However, with the ramifications that the higher dimensionality of the virus has on the verse it gets a bit hectic. Since the Omega Frames are capable of cleansing the virus even in areas such as the Hetero Tower where the concentration of the virus is at an all time high. From this a few things need to be made to properly flesh out all these pages as they piggy back off each other, but I will separate these threads. If you want the link to check out the verse specific abilities & UES based things, please click here. Without further ado I will now begin.
The general scaling is as follows, Ishmael is the current peak of the verse. Being a Higher Dimensional entity above Lee Hyperreal. With Lee having transcended beyond time and dimensions. Making him a higher dimensional being capable of freely manipulating "all universe's" while also granting him travel across the spacetime-continuum. As it is stated time has a "boundless array of possibilities", with Lee having experienced countless sunrises and sunsets as well as all versions of himself throughout all universe's being in "an infinite loop" and there being "infinite futures".
Once Lee passes the initial trial and manages to reach the gate, he's pulled into a completely different world, a distorted dimension. Where "the concepts of beginning and end do not exist". And another following statement about "beings who dwell in a higher dimension" is made. With the Watcher (Ishmael) even needing to transform this space into something Lee can comprehend, which is important because "the summit" is in fact a gateway to a higher dimension. One already above this Lee, who at this point should be at least L1C for transcending beyond time and dimensions as I showed earlier, as well as being able to reach this summit which is later confirmed to be the true test hidden by the towers "rules and logic" as he was previously unable to even interact with or enter this space until he passed all the trials. Which just supports the summit being higher D (I will touch up more on that later).
As he's above all the universes and dimensions up until this point, this would mean that the watchers would scale an entire higher dimension above both him and the summit naturally. As they are literally what created the tower in the first place, to test humanity and the virus. If for some odd reason you're still skeptical this far in, there is yet another scan confirming that Ishmael is beyond the dimensions as she requires a literal avatar that can travel in lower dimensions to even interact with Lee who's at the summit. Having "projections who can travel in lower dimensions" is also noted to be an extremely rare ability that only a small portion of Watchers possess. She then states their true goal is to watch and witness "the real future among all possibilities".
Lee then defeats the primal projection, which is the watcher's projection. Now, while the primal projection is naturally not as powerful as Ishmael's true form (as it has already been stated to be a lower dimensional projection of herself), we can at least confirm that it is comparable if not superior to Lee, as he's died countless times to it and only managed to defeat it after millions of years if not more, only defeating it through the use of Acausality Type 3 granted to him by the tower. Finally, after beating the projection and being qualified by Ishmael herself as someone worthy she gives him an option to "pass through the gate" stating that if he doesn't do so and decides to reject godhood he will forget everything that happened, lose all his powers and all that transpired would be erased from history.
This then circles back to my earlier statement about the summit being even higher in dimensionality to Lee who was already L1C prior to reaching this summit. As it's clearly stated by Ishmael, that if he were to go through the gate he would be qualified to step into "the wider world" and "choose his perfect world" as shown in the scan above. It also implies that merely by entering the summit he had already become a higher dimensional being incapable of traveling to lower dimensions, as he needed Ishmael's help to return to the proper world. Which ties in perfectly with the previous scan mentioned here stating that only an extremely small portion of Watchers are capable of creating projections who can travel to these lower dimensions.
The ramifications of this are not made clear until much later in the story when Ishmael becomes a playable character with her own story chapter, however since it's still untranslated and likely will not be out for months it wouldn't work as evidence. I do however, hope I was able to convey why Lee, the Hetero Tower & The Primal Projection should be at least 1C with Ishmael being higher. To summarize in an easy to understand manner;
Tower (5D)
Gate (6D)
Ishmael (7D)
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
The general scaling is as follows, Ishmael is the current peak of the verse. Being a Higher Dimensional entity above Lee Hyperreal. With Lee having transcended beyond time and dimensions. Making him a higher dimensional being capable of freely manipulating "all universe's" while also granting him travel across the spacetime-continuum. As it is stated time has a "boundless array of possibilities", with Lee having experienced countless sunrises and sunsets as well as all versions of himself throughout all universe's being in "an infinite loop" and there being "infinite futures".
Once Lee passes the initial trial and manages to reach the gate, he's pulled into a completely different world, a distorted dimension. Where "the concepts of beginning and end do not exist". And another following statement about "beings who dwell in a higher dimension" is made. With the Watcher (Ishmael) even needing to transform this space into something Lee can comprehend, which is important because "the summit" is in fact a gateway to a higher dimension. One already above this Lee, who at this point should be at least L1C for transcending beyond time and dimensions as I showed earlier, as well as being able to reach this summit which is later confirmed to be the true test hidden by the towers "rules and logic" as he was previously unable to even interact with or enter this space until he passed all the trials. Which just supports the summit being higher D (I will touch up more on that later).
As he's above all the universes and dimensions up until this point, this would mean that the watchers would scale an entire higher dimension above both him and the summit naturally. As they are literally what created the tower in the first place, to test humanity and the virus. If for some odd reason you're still skeptical this far in, there is yet another scan confirming that Ishmael is beyond the dimensions as she requires a literal avatar that can travel in lower dimensions to even interact with Lee who's at the summit. Having "projections who can travel in lower dimensions" is also noted to be an extremely rare ability that only a small portion of Watchers possess. She then states their true goal is to watch and witness "the real future among all possibilities".
Lee then defeats the primal projection, which is the watcher's projection. Now, while the primal projection is naturally not as powerful as Ishmael's true form (as it has already been stated to be a lower dimensional projection of herself), we can at least confirm that it is comparable if not superior to Lee, as he's died countless times to it and only managed to defeat it after millions of years if not more, only defeating it through the use of Acausality Type 3 granted to him by the tower. Finally, after beating the projection and being qualified by Ishmael herself as someone worthy she gives him an option to "pass through the gate" stating that if he doesn't do so and decides to reject godhood he will forget everything that happened, lose all his powers and all that transpired would be erased from history.
This then circles back to my earlier statement about the summit being even higher in dimensionality to Lee who was already L1C prior to reaching this summit. As it's clearly stated by Ishmael, that if he were to go through the gate he would be qualified to step into "the wider world" and "choose his perfect world" as shown in the scan above. It also implies that merely by entering the summit he had already become a higher dimensional being incapable of traveling to lower dimensions, as he needed Ishmael's help to return to the proper world. Which ties in perfectly with the previous scan mentioned here stating that only an extremely small portion of Watchers are capable of creating projections who can travel to these lower dimensions.
The ramifications of this are not made clear until much later in the story when Ishmael becomes a playable character with her own story chapter, however since it's still untranslated and likely will not be out for months it wouldn't work as evidence. I do however, hope I was able to convey why Lee, the Hetero Tower & The Primal Projection should be at least 1C with Ishmael being higher. To summarize in an easy to understand manner;
Tower (5D)
Gate (6D)
Ishmael (7D)
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
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