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WAHOOOO! Mario Bros AP Revisions (M&L Brothership Spoilers) - Part 1 (Feat-Gathering)

Yeah. I know. But it was also counting Planck in the agrees to most things. As he is listed there, too. With Planck signing off on a lot of the thread, the vote is 2-4. I urge you to read the votes. You'll see I'm right.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
I urge you to read the votes. You'll see I'm right.
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Okay, that's fine. I'm not really saying whether or not you're right or wrong; I'm just making sure we're not doing anything like... misinterpreting a vote since the staff has a problem with it in CRTs.
 
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Again everyone, we should really focus on getting a consensus on the Wario Land storm feat.

Tbh, I think moving that conversation to its own thread in the calc group section would be best, as then it’d be less daunting for new CGMs to look at the discussion and give their thoughts.
 
Omnificence said:
Okay, that's fine. I'm not really saying whether or not you're right or wrong; I'm just making sure we're not doing anything like... misinterpreting a vote since the staff has a problem with it in CRTs.
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It says he agrees with High 6-A? I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.
 
IDK3465 said:
Again everyone, we should really focus on getting a consensus on the Wario Land storm feat.

Tbh, I think moving that conversation to its own thread in the calc group section would be best, as then it’d be less daunting for new CGMs to look at the discussion and give their thoughts.
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I disagree with moving the wario calc but I'll leave it to yall
 
On further thinking, I also agree moving it to another thread is unnecessary. High 6-A can be handled here, the entire premise is set and I have instructions in OP to where staff can find which feat in the pages and which pages were wasted with debates.

That being said, are we waiting for even more calc group members to settle the Wario calc? Because we can make it easier on them by tagging them in a post with the run-down of Chariot and Bambu's reasonings for their stance on the calc.
 
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Also, for those worried about getting Calc Group Members being summoned here and getting caught up in all the pages: realistically, they only need to look through 2 pages at most even without a catch-up post.

We don't need the incoming CGMs to look through anything except the Wario Land calc unless they want to because that's essentially the main point of the debate atm (wouldn't mind evaluations of the Ice Flower feat as well but that can be left alone).
 
So if the Wario Land feat generally gets accepted (The 6-A end anyway) how many more feats would we need to be consistent with High 6-A? Dark Bowser's feat is very nice but given it's 4,500 to 260,000 times higher than the next highest calc and sits at tier 5 it's looking like a pretty big outlier and unusable with the Brothership and Wario Land feats.
 
Dust_Collector said:
So if the Wario Land feat generally gets accepted (The 6-A end anyway) how many more feats would we need to be consistent with High 6-A?
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We currently have 2 feats that give the characters their 6-C ratings. Take that for what you will.
Dust_Collector said:
Dark Bowser's feat is very nice but given it's 4,500 to 260,000 times higher than the next highest calc and sits at tier 5 it's looking like a pretty big outlier and unusable with the Brothership and Wario Land feats.
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The issue is we can always shift the goalpost and declare we require another feat for better consistency and play the "Outlier!" card. If there are 2 feats holding up the current rating, I doubt we need a dozen feats for the other end of Tier 6.
 
Hey Armorchompy,
If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on the Wario Land storm feat? Do you agree with Chariot, Bambu, or do you have your own opinion on the matter?
 
Dalesean027 said:
Oh yeah who should I ping and from what post
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As Speedblitzer said, get some CGMs to give their thoughts on the Wario calc and whether they agree with Chariot, Bambu, or something else. If they're new to the thread, tell them to start reading around this post and end somewhere after here. Also, note that they don't need to read the thing in full as a lot of the discussion was repeating the same arguments, as well as being about Chariot's and Bambu's behavior, which is completely unrelated to what needs to be discussed.

Basically, just tell them to read as much as they feel like in order to understand the arguments at play and provide a detailed response; nothing more, nothing less.
 
Chariot190 said:
Full thing, that's obviously what the scene is trying to convey. It's the "clouds go away" scene, and it shows it start to vanish, continue to vanish, and ends with a completely clear horizon. Like shit is obvious what it's trying to say.

As an fyi, you need to actually get the exact timeframe, it isn't exactly 25 seconds, it's just "about that", make sure you get the full timeframe.
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@Psychomaster35 @Damage3245 @Flashlight237 @Armorchompy @Agnaa
we need some CGMs to review the arguments from on this page from the listed post above to the end as well as the arguments from here as well.

The calc in question is here
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Meant more that the storm's visuals were replaced with the hurricane, at least I think, I was going off hearsay.
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Looking at footage of both versions, the only real visual difference is that we don't see the storm cover the whole kingdom in the remake; apart from that they're mostly the same, with graphical changes due to art direction differences between the two games. For all intents and purposes I think they're functionally the same feat, given that there's no script changes otherwise, "whole kingdom will vanish" statement included.
 
Flashlight237 said:
You know, that reminds me. Peach gets a 30x multiplier in AP and LS from three of her forms: one ensemble and two super-forms. How much would that close the gap between now and Tier 5 should this go through?
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Depends which of the High 6-A feats we'd end up with, but unless it gets into the Exatons range, she wouldn't reach 5-C; top of High 6-A is just under 30 Exatons. So far it hasn't, and the Dark Bowser feat's low-end is only barely 5-C and he'd be a top-tier among the verse.

Now, if we decide that Peach scales to Dark Bowser, Mighty and Radiant would get to Low 5-B. But idk if that'll be the case.
 
yeah only way Mighty & Radiant Peach is getting to tier 5 is if we get enough feats on that level. So far Dark Bowser is the only one with a feat that high and given the other feats and such we're looking at being in the High 6-A range that's likely gonna be an outlier.
 
Pretty much, yeah. I wouldn't be opposed to Bowser and the strongest power-ups hitting 5-C personally, but that's not really my call to make.
 
Parzival-Bo said:
Depends which of the High 6-A feats we'd end up with, but unless it gets into the Exatons range, she wouldn't reach 5-C; top of High 6-A is just under 30 Exatons. So far it hasn't, and the Dark Bowser feat's low-end is only barely 5-C and he'd be a top-tier among the verse.

Now, if we decide that Peach scales to Dark Bowser, Mighty and Radiant would get to Low 5-B. But idk if that'll be the case.
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Really? Let me go see what the AP gap between High 6-A and 5-C is an--
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ShakeResounding said:
@Flashlight237 Do you have a preference on the Wario Land feat from Chariot and Bambu's discussion? We still need more of the CGMs to give input regarding this when you get the chance.
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Oh yeah, that. I went into the feat, but just skimming through Bambu's arguments, I backed out because I didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
 
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