Possible speed update for Sukuna and Gojo?

Dog3352 · Monday at 05:25

In Sukuna vs Hajime, Hajime uses a sonic attack on Sukuna, and right after that, he uses this attack.

After that, there is an explanation about Hajime's ability, where it is said that he is capable of using sonic attacks and attacks with electromagnetic waves, taking into account the order in which the attacks are used and the order of the explanation, apparently the second attack is which uses electromagnetic waves.

If, taking into account the order of attacks and the explanation, the second attack is with electromagnetic waves, Sukuna should scale up in reaction speed to Hajime's attack with electromagnetic waves, since the attack is (apparently) the same one used against Sukuna in the chapter 238.

Voidnether · Monday at 07:35

Dog3352 said:
In Sukuna vs Hajime, Hajime uses a sonic attack on Sukuna, and right after that, he uses this attack.

After that, there is an explanation about Hajime's ability, where it is said that he is capable of using sonic attacks and attacks with electromagnetic waves, taking into account the order in which the attacks are used and the order of the explanation, apparently the second attack is which uses electromagnetic waves.

If, taking into account the order of attacks and the explanation, the second attack is with electromagnetic waves, Sukuna should scale up in reaction speed to Hajime's attack with electromagnetic waves, since the attack is (apparently) the same one used against Sukuna in the chapter 238.

No, it was discussed that Sukuna wouldn't scale to Hajime in any way possible because it would just lead to inconsistencies.

Anyways, the only one that scales to this is Hajime's attack speed with it being the speed of light.

Dog3352 · Monday at 07:44

Voidnether said:
No, it was discussed that Sukuna wouldn't scale to Hajime in any way possible because it would just lead to inconsistencies.

Anyways, the only one that scales to this is Hajime's attack speed with it being the speed of light.

I believe the inconsistency would be something like: "Hajime, Satoru and Sukuna scaling to Hajime's combat speed overall would be strange, as the same Sukuna who reacted very easily to an FTL attack, couldn't completely keep up with the other characters who clearly scale much lower than that."?

Well, if that's the case, I think it makes sense, especially considering that JJK seems to be the kind of universe that makes direct statements about the speed of some things, and simply such a huge jump from "Itadori can barely react to a sonic blow" to "Itadori is able to fight an FTL character" without any kind of power increase or anything like that would be a huge inconsistency.

Vzearr · Monday at 08:12

Dog3352 said:
In Sukuna vs Hajime, Hajime uses a sonic attack on Sukuna, and right after that, he uses this attack.

After that, there is an explanation about Hajime's ability, where it is said that he is capable of using sonic attacks and attacks with electromagnetic waves, taking into account the order in which the attacks are used and the order of the explanation, apparently the second attack is which uses electromagnetic waves.

If, taking into account the order of attacks and the explanation, the second attack is with electromagnetic waves, Sukuna should scale up in reaction speed to Hajime's attack with electromagnetic waves, since the attack is (apparently) the same one used against Sukuna in the chapter 238.

These links don’t work for me. Regardless, from what I’m seeing, this logic is flawed. Just because someone says I can do a push kick and a right hook doesn’t mean I would do the push kick first and the right hook second. I have multiple attacks available that aren’t limited to just two options that need to be done 1 after another, the same applies here.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. I’d need to see the links first.

CaoticRap · Monday at 12:09

Vzearr said:
These links don’t work for me. Regardless, from what I’m seeing, this logic is flawed. Just because someone says I can do a push kick and a right hook doesn’t mean I would do the push kick first and the right hook second. I have multiple attacks available that aren’t limited to just two options that need to be done 1 after another, the same applies here.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. I’d need to see the links first.

they work fine for me

Vzearr · Monday at 12:13

CaoticRap said:
they work fine for me

Yeah they work fine for me now as well.

Vzearr · Monday at 12:22

I still disagree and also believe its inconsistent.

PowerToScale · Monday at 13:34

This is only inconsistent if you attributed others besides the god tiers which it doesn't. Either way, was never going to pass because of the current people and the "misguided" mindset on the verse.

Voidnether · Monday at 14:10

PowerToScale said:
This is only inconsistent if you attributed others besides the god tiers which it doesn't. Either way, was never going to pass because of the current people and the "misguided" mindset on the verse.

You do know in the series Sukuna basically fought everyone after that, right?
There's really no reason to gatekeep everyone on the verse that's not considered "god tiers" either way it's flawed

TheGunsFinalWrath · Monday at 15:25

Voidnether said:
You do know in the series Sukuna basically fought everyone after that, right?
There's really no reason to gatekeep everyone on the verse that's not considered "god tiers" either way it's flawed

Ur talking about The same Sukuna that has been shown to consistently hold back and also weaken overtime. W feat bro. Watch him statue blitz everybody casually including PB after Higu domain despite getting hit several times by output + body control nerfing attacks.
.... Like what gatekeep is there? Nobody after Kashimo round scales to whatever Sukuna did afterwards.

Voidnether · Monday at 15:28

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Ur talking about The same Sukuna that has been shown to consistently hold back and also weaken overtime. W feat bro. Watch him statue blitz everybody casually including PB after Higu domain despite getting hit several times by output + body control nerfing attacks.
.... Like what gatekeep is there? Nobody after Kashimo round scales to whatever Sukuna did afterwards.

Yeah, I don't really see the argument here if we just gatekeep it for like Gojo, Sukuna & Mahoraga and Toji definitely would upscale from this too by this logic.
Either we just gatekeep it for Sukuna only which would already be controversial in the first place or scale it to every god tiers that has existed on jjk with the same logic that "jjk god tiers are stronger than yorozu, so they would upscale from yorozu's H3-A feat"

TheGunsFinalWrath · Monday at 15:29

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Ur talking about The same Sukuna that has been shown to consistently hold back and also weaken overtime. W feat bro. Watch him statue blitz everybody casually including PB after Higu domain despite getting hit several times by output + body control nerfing attacks.
.... Like what gatekeep is there? Nobody after Kashimo round scales to whatever Sukuna did afterwards.

We literally later on see few arms missing Sukuna and soul wound with a lack of heart statue blitz Maki who's a heavy hitter on the same level as Yuta and Hakari. Missing an arm already drastically nerfs u and then Sukuna proceeds to lower his speed to where Maki can barely keep up compared to a second ago where she got statue blitzed from afar.

Nobody after Kashimo scales. The end.

Voidnether · Monday at 15:30

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Nobody after Kashimo scales. The end.

W

TheGunsFinalWrath · Monday at 15:30

Voidnether said:
Yeah, I don't really see the argument here if we just gatekeep it for like Gojo, Sukuna & Mahoraga and Toji definitely would upscale from this too by this logic.
Either we just gatekeep it for Sukuna only which would already be controversial in the first place or scale it to every god tiers that has existed on jjk with the same logic that "jjk god tiers are stronger than yorozu, so they would upscale from yorozu's H3-A feat"

Only gojo upscales alongside Sukuna. That's really it. Nobody else scales above bar like Yorozu maybe due to her previous feats of fighting a stronger Sukuna than the current unhealthy one.
There are only two god tiers in verse so what god tiers we speaking of?

Voidnether · Monday at 15:32

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Only gojo upscales alongside Sukuna. That's really it. Nobody else scales above bar like Yorozu maybe due to her previous feats of fighting a stronger Sukuna than the current unhealthy one.
There are only two god tiers in verse so what god tiers we speaking of?

Wym two god tiers when mahoraga consistently shows that he could rival sukuna & gojo with the exception of him being dead because of either fire arrow or 200% hollow purple output

That's insane

TheGunsFinalWrath · Monday at 15:35

Voidnether said:
Wym two god tiers when mahoraga consistently shows that he could rival sukuna & gojo with the exception of him being dead because of either fire arrow or 200% hollow purple output

That's insane

Oh meguna amped maho? Maybe. But then again gojo was all up and ready about one shotting it easily pre brain damage

Voidnether · Monday at 15:42

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Oh meguna amped maho? Maybe. But then again gojo was all up and ready about one shotting it easily pre brain damage

Not gonna lie, that same logic probably applies to Sukuna too if you're really using that argument here.
Mahoraga was literally shown to be able to rival Sukuna even with his domain expansion, just with the exception that he couldn't tank Sukuna's fire arrow

TheGunsFinalWrath · Monday at 15:47

Voidnether said:
Not gonna lie, that same logic probably applies to Sukuna too if you're really using that argument here.
Mahoraga was literally shown to be able to rival Sukuna even with his domain expansion, just with the exception that he couldn't tank Sukuna's fire arrow

? Sukuna was all casual and going low on Maho allowing him to adapt to catch up. And that was just 15F Sukuna as well. Near the end of the fight he thought Maho might be able to beat his 3F self who was lacking a heart. 3F scale Maho. And ofc this is just for untamed version of Maho. Maho that is tamed is stronger due to Ce reinforcement stuff.
Also the said rival was maho getting pulverised or something like that in the manga and anime, but adaptation power too strong.

Voidnether · Monday at 15:49

TheGunsFinalWrath said:
? Sukuna was all casual and going low on Maho allowing him to adapt to catch up. And that was just 15F Sukuna as well. Near the end of the fight he thought Maho might be able to beat his 3F self who was lacking a heart. 3F scale Maho. And ofc this is just for untamed version of Maho. Maho that is tamed is stronger due to Ce reinforcement stuff.
Also the said rival was maho getting pulverised or something like that in the manga and anime, but adaptation power too strong.

That literally still makes him a god tier in the verse though, you could argue that sukuna wouldn't win against gojo without mahoraga in the first place (we had that kind of debate before, but it just results in a stalemate with heian sukuna being used)

Eclipso · Monday at 16:01

The panel says the EM waves vaporize stuff.

We see Kashimo’s attack make large rubble.

Doesn’t exactly sound like vaporization.

Dog3352 · Monday at 18:58

Eclipso said:
The panel says the EM waves vaporize stuff.

We see Kashimo’s attack make large rubble.

Doesn’t exactly sound like vaporization.

Well, that's true.
We can simply assume that this attack used by Hajime remains unknown as to what exactly it is.

Arkenis · Tuesday at 04:20

Gege pill or Fan pill

Gege Pill: Gege never shows us this emw attack and everything we think is the emw is just a blast of curse energy. Gege simply didn't care to show emw and also didn't want "LFG ftl Sukuna" fans.

Fan Pill: Sukuna finally ftl I argue he beat Madara and Admirals cuz fast and uh domain.

blah blah inconsistent, blah blah mangas over, blah blah no one scales

CaoticRap · Wednesday at 16:25

Narrator tells us kashimo can use sound and EMW attacks
Kashimo shows 2 different new attacks
One is clearly a sound based attack
Can't determine what the other one is

Small_Ophion · Wednesday at 22:08

Wouldn't the discussion regarding lightning and other higher speeds than the ones being used apply for this as well? As in the feat exists but it isn't being used due to inconsistency?

Another thing is that the attack simply doesn't look like what it's described as, but I guess that could be just chalked up to Gege being Gege.

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