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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

The thing isn't that we don't have scaling for Teen Gojo. We do.

Toji is 8-A because Maki is also 8-A. Red damaged Toji, so Red is 8-A. Purple killed Toji, so Purple is 8-A. Blue can move Toji away, so Blue scales to whatever Toji's LS is.

The thing is about physicals. None of the statements or narrative implications he has translate to striking strength. And that's the issue.
 
Blue can only scale to Toji's LS if he was grabbing onto something to resist it no?

Otherwise moving Toji would just be the LS for moving a human? I don't really understand how LS works tbh
 
M3X_2.0 said:
The thing isn't that we don't have scaling for Teen Gojo. We do.

Toji is 8-A because Maki is also 8-A. Red damaged Toji, so Red is 8-A. Purple killed Toji, so Purple is 8-A. Blue can move Toji away, so Blue scales to whatever Toji's LS is.

The thing is about physicals. None of the statements or narrative implications he has translate to striking strength. And that's the issue.
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I don't think Gojo's blue is that different from his physicals since we see in the Sukuna fight non-blue amped punches are still significant to Sukuna's durability.
 
Rosa said:
I don't think Gojo's blue is that different from his physicals since we see in the Sukuna fight non-blue amped punches are still significant to Sukuna's durability.
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But I do. That was a weakened Sukuna. And that's a different Gojo too, Teen Gojo couldn't do anything to Toji in terms of physical strength while Blue could move Toji away (even though Toji could get away with his speed).
 
Rosa said:
I don't think Gojo's blue is that different from his physicals since we see in the Sukuna fight non-blue amped punches are still significant to Sukuna's durability.
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Blue is more LS that he uses to increase the velocity of his punches rather than an AP enhancer
 
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We can say Gojo's movement speed is what gets increased
 
M3X_2.0 said:
But I do. That was a weakened Sukuna. And that's a different Gojo too, Teen Gojo couldn't do anything to Toji in terms of physical strength while Blue could move Toji away (even though Toji could get away with his speed).
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I think Rosa's talking about the brief physical exchange that Gojo has with Sukuna while he's using Domain Amplification where Gojo wouldn't be able to use Blue to Enhance his punches. That and Gojo and Sukuna are able to swap hands pretty comparatively with and without Gojo having access to his blue enhanced punches, showing that there isn't that meaningful of a difference between the two.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I say it like that because the strong force of attraction by Blue pulls his fists

The exact wording is that it feels like getting clocked by a counter-attack
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When I hear counter-attack, I think of a second strike. Given the context as well, it looks to me like a 2 for the price of one deal; one attack but double the power.
 
It's insane how everyone here has a different take regarding these characters but nothing of what it's said here goes to the profile.

Not in a million years we will rate Teen Gojo with enough speed to blitz anyone in the Shinjuku Showdown Arc with the exception of Ino and maybe one or two more characters.
 
Rosa said:
so it comes to no surprise that we find out Gojo and Geto were specifically chosen for this mission due to them being "the strongest" (
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This is agenda-based extrapolation, and there's nothing suggesting this is the reason

Like, other than the obvious "two grade-1 level sorcerers" that have worked together before, it makes sense for them to be chosen

Rosa said:
Gojo's strength being "famous" and well known
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yeah, the limitless six eyes user, no shit he's gonna be famous. He's also been famous SPECIFICALLY for having that gift

Rosa said:
This strength is also known to Gojo and Geto and is a significant enough gap that they're confident that they could betray and fight off jujutsu society for fun because of how much stronger they are to everyone around them
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Who? Yaga and some other unknown, featless grade 1s? Nice one

Rosa said:
(meaning it's a widely agreed upon fact, so much so that even children such as Naoya were aware of Gojo's overwhelming power)
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Never stated, NOR is it stated to be Pre RCT Gojo he's talking about

Also Naoya is only 1 year younger than Gojo...


Rosa said:
volume summary of the arc detailing Toji's most impressive feat as being able to trouble Gojo in battle
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holy f*cking shit, what the ****. Listing something they did is them saying that's his best possible attribute pertaining to his fighting power????


Rosa said:
en if you want to argue Gojo and Geto would beat Naobito via out-haxing him and he has superior stats (unlikely given the context of them fighting alone, with Naobito was relevant Tengen would send him too), he can't be a perception blitz level greater than them given he'd lose in a fight.
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This literally happens in the series.

Maki is a bad blitz below Naoya, and she can eventually beat him. Regardless, all Tengen really knows is it's the limitless six eyes user, so it makes more sense sending the person who fate is aligned with than some capable sorcerer like Naobito, despite Naobito being the fastest sorcerer by far at the time

Rosa said:
he even admits to himself that if Gojo wasn't fatigued and injured then he likely would've lost
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Never stated

Rosa said:
When Toji sneak attacked Gojo during casual conversation Gojo was able to react to the blade entering his torso fast enough to reinforce his organs before it reached them,
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that's not even a reaction speed feat, as it's likely instinctual

Rosa logic: "Todo is way faster than Mahito, because he can reinforce his insides in the middle of the black flash!!!"


Rosa said:
s for Gojo's striking power specifically, his blue is at the very least capable of damaging Toji and his strikes shouldn't be that much weaker due to the feats in the Sukuna fight
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Blue blasts aren't ap feats, it's purely an attractive crushing force

Rosa said:
As for Geto's performance, Toji literally amplified his physical capabilities with a binding vow and yet Geto was capable of evading Toji's charge before getting sliced whilst in shock at his CT seemingly not working
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Toji is literally playing with his ass. We have no basis for a binding vow aiding Toji this way

Rosa said:
There's also just the narrative of Gojo as someone with the same potential as sorcerers such as Yuji, Yuta, Hakari, Higuruma, all of them who are reaching these insane levels early on in life,
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We have no basis for Teen Gojo's training

Rosa said:
Although, even then, we know Gojo even as a kid knew high level anti-domain techniques like falling blossom emotion, so I can see pre-RCT Gojo and Yuki having ambiguity around it.
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It has 0 Ambiguity. Yuki Tsukumo punches through him, and wins 0 diff. Falling Blossom emotion is the worst anti-domain technique, and worst case scenario, she punches through it


Rosa has a bad habit of BADLY exaggerating things

"This guy turned 294.2385428395772983475982350 degrees while this person was in the middle of attacking"
 
Damage3245 said:
Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?
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Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should win against them.
But if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Gojo regained his output fully by narrative so he should but if Gojo was in Sukuna's place like his output is low he would die right after Higuruma domain. Lol.
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The Shinjuku squad when BF awakened Gojo teleports kilometers into the sky and spams Reds/Purples/Blue Orbs
 
Quantu said:
The Shinjuku squad when BF awakened Gojo teleports kilometers into the sky and spams Reds/Purples/Blue Orbs
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Yeah that's why I said if Gojo who regained his output fights the squad they are dead but if it's Gojo and Sukuna places gets swapped and Gojo is on low output Higuruma and Yuji should be able to pull it off. Weakened Gojo without Limitless ain't hanging around with the squad.
 
Fair, Gojo in Sukuna's physical position would be so funny. Either Kashimo can bypass Infinity with some usage of his CT (X-rays or EMW's etc.) and owns a weakened one arm Gojo (who cannot have a free reincarnation) or Higuruma does him in and he gets jumped
 
Quantu said:
Fair, Gojo in Sukuna's physical position would be so funny. Either Kashimo can bypass Infinity with some usage of his CT (X-rays or EMW's etc.) and owns a weakened one arm Gojo (who cannot have a free reincarnation) or Higuruma does him in and he gets jumped
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He would just gets poisoned by Yuji and Choso's blood once Higuruma removes his limitless technique. Maki can just sneak on Gojo with SSK.
 
Duedate8898 said:
I think Rosa's talking about the brief physical exchange that Gojo has with Sukuna while he's using Domain Amplification where Gojo wouldn't be able to use Blue to Enhance his punches. That and Gojo and Sukuna are able to swap hands pretty comparatively with and without Gojo having access to his blue enhanced punches, showing that there isn't that meaningful of a difference between the two.
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that's when Sukuna is likely holding back

What I think is Sukuna "held back" In certain parts of their exchanges, because there, despite having a 120% amp, he still matched a non-blue amped Gojo. There, he's holding back in order to wait for Mahoraga to gain the world slash

EldemadeDityjon said:
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faaax
 
Damage3245 said:
Here's a fun scenario; instead of weakened Sukuna, what would happen if Kashimo and everyone else who entered the battle after him tried to jump Gojo instead. Could a post-Sukuna battle Gojo fight them all off?
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Gojo in Sukuna's exact conditions would die cuz he doesn't have reincarnation

So let's switch it up. What if he has the same injuries as Sukuna post-Unlimited Purple but has his restored RCT output?
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
that's when Sukuna is likely holding back

What I think is Sukuna "held back" In certain parts of their exchanges, because there, despite having a 120% amp, he still matched a non-blue amped Gojo. There, he's holding back in order to wait for Mahoraga to gain the world slash
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It doesn't matter if Sukuna's holding back because the focus is on Gojo here. If Gojo can effectively combat and hurt Sukuna with and without his blue-enhanced punches then the difference in AP isn't so big downscaling is unreasonable.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
This is agenda-based extrapolation, and there's nothing suggesting this is the reason
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"Anyway, it should be okay. We're the strongest, that's why master Tengen asked for us" [chapter 66] please explain how me interpreting from this that they were chosen for their strength is "agenda-based"?
Guacamolefletcher said:
yeah, the limitless six eyes user, no shit he's gonna be famous. He's also been famous SPECIFICALLY for having that gift
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"so you're the famous Gojo Satoru? I've heard your strong" [chapter 66] yet I'm just ASSUMING his popularity is about strength? Do you have any basis to say otherwise or is this just contrived scepticism?
Guacamolefletcher said:
Who? Yaga and some other unknown, featless grade 1s? Nice one
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So all of jujutsu society is "unknown, featless grade 1s"?
Guacamolefletcher said:
Never stated, NOR is it stated to be Pre RCT Gojo he's talking about
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Toji died the same day Gojo awakened, so if Naoya is thinking back to a time where Gojo and Toji mutually existed as peaks of the jujutsu world it's clearly going to be his pre-awakened state.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Listing something they did is them saying that's his best possible attribute pertaining to his fighting power????
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If I'm listing why someone is strong and notable and I have two feats to chose from, I'd go with the most impressive feat, so when the narrator is trying to paint us a picture of measuring and quantifying a person's power we should take the feats listed as an assessment of their upper end capabilities. At the very least, the wording where they specify Toji only caused injury to Gojo, never challenging him, surpassing him, etc., also has some heavy implications.
Guacamolefletcher said:
This literally happens in the series.

Maki is a bad blitz below Naoya, and she can eventually beat him. Regardless, all Tengen really knows is it's the limitless six eyes user, so it makes more sense sending the person who fate is aligned with than some capable sorcerer like Naobito, despite Naobito being the fastest sorcerer by far at the time
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Maki isn't a blitz level below Naoya, the opposite is true, but we've debated that topic a total of 3 times on this thread where each time it comes down to you refusing to engage and pivoting so I'd rather not engage with this cope that Naoya was actually a blitz level above a character who he couldn't react to the punches of.

Show me Naobito being the fastest of this time too.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Never stated
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Chapter 73, when reflecting on if he could've fought Gojo without first inducing the chest wound he says it wouldn't have been smart to do so and would've been too risky for him.
Guacamolefletcher said:
that's not even a reaction speed feat, as it's likely instinctual

Rosa logic: "Todo is way faster than Mahito, because he can reinforce his insides in the middle of the black flash!!!"
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That's not comparable. Mahito ran several meters to cross the distance which gave Todo time to react, with Todo being on-guard the entire time, Gojo reacted AS the sword was going through his body. I.e. in the time it takes Toji's arm to extend from the outer layers of Gojo's skin to his heart or lungs Gojo channelled his CE through his body from an off-guard position.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Blue blasts aren't ap feats, it's purely an attractive crushing force
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Which is AP... AP and striking strength are separate for a reason, your AP includes the damage / force you can emit through your abilities also.
Guacamolefletcher said:
Toji is literally playing with his ass. We have no basis for a binding vow aiding Toji this way
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"revealing certain information can actually give you an advantage" [chapter 73] yet we're supposed to expect that Toji's BV didn't give him an advantage? Do you need me to also quote Nanami's explanation to Yuji on what binding vows related to revealing one's abilities do?
Guacamolefletcher said:
We have no basis for Teen Gojo's training
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I don't see how that's relevant to my point of Gojo having insane potential. Also, we literally see Gojo and Geto frequently sparring with one another and, after fighting Toji, we see him talking about his TRAINING OF HIS CT and even asking Shoko to make him a combat course with test dummies to fight 😭 but yea... teen Gojo never trained 100%
Guacamolefletcher said:
It has 0 Ambiguity. Yuki Tsukumo punches through him, and wins 0 diff. Falling Blossom emotion is the worst anti-domain technique, and worst case scenario, she punches through it
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This isn't super relevant but I disagree with all of this, it's just baseless assertions tbh
Guacamolefletcher said:
Rosa has a bad habit of BADLY exaggerating things

"This guy turned 294.2385428395772983475982350 degrees while this person was in the middle of attacking"
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Notice how I never said anything like this? I said he turned 180 degrees... because he made a complete U-turn... which is 180 degrees... but yea, I have a bad habit of exaggerating things!
 
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