Blast and Awakened Garou 4-A

Shadow_x007x · Dec 31, 2023

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Since this calculation has been accepted, I think we can scale Blast as 4-A. He survived and wasn't affected by Saitama and Garou's Serious Punch², and he also attacked Awakened Garou.

We can also take Garou's attack power, specifically Awakened Garou's, as 4-A. This is because Garou's attack destroyed Blast's Spatial Manipulation, and Blast himself said that the energy from Garou's attack was too much.

Here are some supporting reasons for this:

Saitama (Bald) is accepted to start at 4-A, possibly 3-C, which can be seen in his profile.
Awakened Garou started to copy Saitama (Not Serious)

Therefore, I think 4-A is a reasonable rating for both Awakened Garou and Blast. This is especially because the reasons for these ratings are already in the profiles, so this sandbox is an easy write.

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Disagree:

Shiraito983 · Dec 31, 2023

Agree

Coomandar · Dec 31, 2023

disagree FRA + cap

Shadow_x007x · Dec 31, 2023

Coomandar said:
disagree FRA + cap

Can you please tell me your reasons for disagreeing?

Qawsedf234 · Dec 31, 2023

Since the feat happened in the same "scene" along with it being a 149x gap, I don't believe it would break scaling technically.

Though the current justifications would need to be rewritten. Garou's primary AP justification would be scaling to Blast, not something 1e+20x lower than Blast.

Shadow_x007x · Dec 31, 2023

Qawsedf234 said:
Though the current justifications would need to be rewritten. Garou's primary AP justification would be scaling to Blast, not something 1e+20x lower than Blast.

I think we specified that in scaling Awakened Garou to Blast.

Copied Saitama's Consecutive Normal Punches and matched it blow for blow, an action that scratched him. Capable of overloading Blast's smaller portals

(Sorry, I'm very bad at English.)

Qawsedf234 · Dec 31, 2023

Shadow_x007x said:
I think we specified that in scaling Awakened Garou to Blast.

Profiles for justifications should be ([Primary Justification for tier], [secondary supporting feat], [tertiary supporting feat], etc)
Currently you have this

Ap: Multi-Solar System level (His attack was compared to a real Gamma Ray Burst which produces at least 1 foe or 10^44 joules of energy and the strongest GRB being 8.8 kiloFoe. Copied Saitama's Consecutive Normal Punches and matched it blow for blow, an action that scratched him. Capable of overloading Blast's smaller portals), Varies with Power Mimicry, higher with Reactive Evolution

So it doesn't work. It should be "Capable of Overloading Blast's portals" then the rest of the feats

Also I wouldn't say "Comparable to his durability" since that doesn't really make sense. Brick Walls exist for a reason.

Quangotjokes · Dec 31, 2023

I agree

karo_senpaii · Dec 31, 2023

Shadow_x007x said:
Can you please tell me your reasons for disagreeing?

He's trolling ignore him

Anyways this makes sense. I agree

Farfetchedx · Dec 31, 2023

Agreed

Phoenks · Dec 31, 2023

Feels weird but sure I guess. That would likely make the GRB higher into 4-A as it is displayed as being more powerful than his nuclear fission punches when he uses it against Saitama.

Excellence616 · Dec 31, 2023

I agree

Shadow_x007x · Dec 31, 2023

Okay, I guess there shouldn't be any more arguments. We should wait for the thread to pass 48 hours before upgrading.

Phoenks · Dec 31, 2023

U need staff

Shadow_x007x · Dec 31, 2023

I think we use a minimum of 2 staff.

It's okay, I'll keep waiting.

Shadow_x007x · Jan 1, 2024

Golden_Void · Jan 2, 2024

This feels familiar....agree

Raiden38 · Jan 2, 2024

Agree

Epiccheev · Jan 2, 2024

I gree

MasterKayn · Jan 3, 2024

Agree

DarkDragonMedeus · Jan 4, 2024

Looks okay.

DavidTPPM · Jan 6, 2024

Is there any reason for Blasts AP to scale to this or do we just assume his AP should be comparable to his durability?

Shadow_x007x · Jan 6, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
Is there any reason for Blasts AP to scale to this or do we just assume his AP should be comparable to his durability?

He scales with Awakened Garou, who is able to successfully generate more energy than his blast's hyper space. We already have Awakened Garou's Dura scaled to his Ap in profile, so blast's 4-A this isn't too unusual.

DavidTPPM · Jan 6, 2024

Shadow_x007x said:
He scales with Awakened Garou, who is able to successfully generate more energy than his blast's hyper space. We already have Awakened Garou's Dura scaled to his Ap in profile, so blast's 4-A this isn't too unusual.

Eeeeh i don't see how that scales Blasts AP to his durability.

Blast was actively trying to avoid his attacks by teleporting them away, they never actually clash. And even those portals can't take the energy. The only time you could argue Blasts punches do ANYTHING to Garou at all is maybe here. But Blast showers him with punches after that and they don't do anything so that's probably just debris. So the only argument is really that his durability ~ his AP. Otherwise he's just a tank with no AP.

Qawsedf234 · Jan 6, 2024

Actually they are right. Blast only has evidence for his durability, but doesn't showcase how that would scale to his AP.

Ovrhide · Jan 6, 2024

Agree with 4-A for blast. And there's also his group sensing cosmic garous power, and only mentioning how there's someone other than blast capable of going toe to toe with someone with "so much divine energy".

Popbum · Jan 6, 2024

He had it on his profile before but was removed cause there wasn’t proof that it scales to his AP so what’s the difference now?

Raiden38 · Jan 7, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
Is there any reason for Blasts AP to scale to this or do we just assume his AP should be comparable to his durability?

Franky high7A/6C durabilty
which makes the vast majority of One Piece characters (post TS) scale for an explosion but we don't ask ourselves questions?

Shadow_x007x · Jan 7, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
Eeeeh i don't see how that scales Blasts AP to his durability.

Blast was actively trying to avoid his attacks by teleporting them away, they never actually clash. And even those portals can't take the energy. The only time you could argue Blasts punches do ANYTHING to Garou at all is maybe here. But Blast showers him with punches after that and they don't do anything so that's probably just debris. So the only argument is really that his durability ~ his AP. Otherwise he's just a tank with no AP.

If so That means we'll avoid triggering Awakened Garou's scaling based on Blsat's durability when we see that energy-generating attacks that not even Blasr's hyperspace can absorb that energy. Still, Blast. Garou himself was knocked back along with Garou after the attack was completed. Garou further stated that Blast was not his opponent. I don't think Blast had 149× the durability of Garou's attacks, but he and Young were confident that he could. Defeat Blast

Raiden38 · Jan 7, 2024

Shadow_x007x said:
If so That means we'll avoid triggering Awakened Garou's scaling based on Blsat's durability when we see that energy-generating attacks that not even Blasr's hyperspace can absorb that energy. Still, Blast. Garou himself was knocked back along with Garou after the attack was completed. Garou further stated that Blast was not his opponent. I don't think Blast had 149× the durability of Garou's attacks, but he and Young were confident that he could. Defeat Blast

which then blast was basically holding back in combat since everything he does he did it to prevent Garou's attacks from hitting the earth and teleport Garou to another dimension to prevent him from doing any more damage so say At least 4A probably higher there can be room for blast

DavidTPPM · Jan 7, 2024

Shadow_x007x said:
If so That means we'll avoid triggering Awakened Garou's scaling based on Blsat's durability when we see that energy-generating attacks that not even Blasr's hyperspace can absorb that energy. Still, Blast. Garou himself was knocked back along with Garou after the attack was completed. Garou further stated that Blast was not his opponent. I don't think Blast had 149× the durability of Garou's attacks, but he and Young were confident that he could. Defeat Blast

Those links don't work for me, but wouldn't that further support Blast not scaling to it? If even his gates can't take Garous AP and he purposely avoids them?

Raiden38 said:
which then blast was basically holding back in combat since everything he does he did it to prevent Garou's attacks from hitting the earth and teleport Garou to another dimension to prevent him from doing any more damage so say At least 4A probably higher there can be room for blast

Yeah but he did so through hax, not AP.

I'm not necessarily against the idea the "His AP should he relative to his durability" argument, I'm just asking if there's any actually good evidence for it.

Golden_Void · Jan 7, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
Eeeeh i don't see how that scales Blasts AP to his durability.

Blast was actively trying to avoid his attacks by teleporting them away, they never actually clash.

Because he's protecting the planet.

DavidTPPM said:
And even those portals can't take the energy.

A consecutive sum of Garou's punches. Not an individual punch.

DavidTPPM said:
The only time you could argue Blasts punches do ANYTHING to Garou at all is maybe here. But Blast showers him with punches after that and they don't do anything so that's probably just debris.

Idk where debris would be coming from via fist-to-face contact. That's clearly splatter from blood.

DavidTPPM said:
So the only argument is really that his durability ~ his AP. Otherwise he's just a tank with no AP.

No

DavidTPPM · Jan 7, 2024

Golden_Void said:
Because he's protecting the planet.

I'm simply pointing out the lack of AP feats.

Golden_Void said:
Idk where debris would be coming from via fist-to-face contact. That's clearly splatter from blood.

Not really. We see Garou get hit by attacks that hurt him and this doesn't resemble it at all. This looks closer to debris coming off of Saitamas face when he gets hit. And as I said before.

DavidTPPM said:
But Blast showers him with punches after that and they don't do anything

The only potential evidence for AP here is very vague and can be interpreted as just debris.

We could give him a "likely 4-A" for it but a solid 4A AP sounds farfetched

Raiden38 · Jan 7, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
I'm simply pointing out the lack of AP feats.

Not really. We see Garou get hit by attacks that hurt him and this doesn't resemble it at all. This looks closer to debris coming off of Saitamas face when he gets hit. And as I said before.

The only potential evidence for AP here is very vague and can be interpreted as just debris.

We could give him a "likely 4-A" for it but a solid 4A AP sounds farfetched

Imo at least 4A is better

Golden_Void · Jan 8, 2024

DavidTPPM said:
I'm simply pointing out the lack of AP feats.

You pointed to the fact that Blast was avoiding Garou's attacks, suggesting he could possibly be turned to mist if one of the hits connected.

DavidTPPM said:
Not really. We see Garou get hit by attacks that hurt him and this doesn't resemble it at all. This looks closer to debris coming off of Saitamas face when he gets hit. And as I said before.

The only potential evidence for AP here is very vague and can be interpreted as just debris.

The only person who could possibly have debris coming off of them is Garou, since his entire body is monsterization armor. If there's debris from that, then it gives more of an argument to Blast for being able to affect Garou's armor. Debris comes from rocks and other random materials; it won't manifest from getting punched in the face.

DavidTPPM said:
We could give him a "likely 4-A" for it but a solid 4A AP sounds farfetched

Eh

Blast and Awakened Garou 4-A

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