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You guys literally removed all resistances and didn't even remove the tabber. How considerable. Not a "I'm going to downgrade this character that nobody cares and then leave the profile as sewer shit" bit
I agree that the profile was crap and needed several revisions, but if you want to improve it at least do it right and with help of someone who really knows about the verse
Previous thread
I would recomend to read the previous thread first
P&A
Acrobatics
Supernatural Willpower
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Afterimage Creation
Also, at the beginning of the battle against Doom both showed to create afterimages against each other
Also also, any basic punching sequence from Mash creates afterimage
Literally Orter, one of the greatest geniuses in the universe, who is able to keep up against invicible attacks that ignore extrasensory perception and FTE movements was believing that he had killed Mash. He is neither dumb nor blind, he would realize if it was just a few silly clothes in the air
Reactive Evolution
There is a room in which gravity increases exponentially every 10 minutes, in the first instant Mash could not even move. Yes, Mash could not move twice his body weight, the same ******* guy who is Class Z. Not only that, but Mash previously proved strong enough to ignore the gravitational force that was enough to crush a large area of a forest. So it is quite obvious that gravity in that room ignored the strength of the person. And guess what? Some time later Mash was able to move around in that room without difficulty, something that previously he needed the unlimited mode to do.
Furthermore, to support that gravitational magics are able to ignore resistances, high level wizards are able to protect themselves from the effects of gravity, however Lance, someone who can control gravity, after increasing the quality of his spells could affect even wizards infinitely stronger than him and who also has this kind of protection
Extrasensory Perception and Minor Information Analysis
Also, Mash could sense Zero prescense without the muscles warning him
And the "physically felt" thing was pulled out of the ass. I mean, if Mash felt the touch of a shadow magic I suppose we could put non-physical interaction for Mash, right?
Limited Self Kinetic Energy Control
Mash's power is considered explosive and having an INSTANTANEOUS FORCE, thats it, the force happens INSTANTLY, no matter if he is moving like a slug or how little he touches the target, something that surprises even his opponents. This is literally controlling the very kinetic energy generated from his movements.
You may not like the word "Physics manipulation", but that's what we use when the character canonically doesn't give a shit about the kinect energy of his own body.
Accelerated Development
No offense, BUT COME ON.
Cell War's spell was so difficult to deal with that Mash almost died and needed outside help to land a punch. Not only that, but moments earlier the feat Dot was doubting that Mash would be able to win since he had not been able to do anything without help . And then, guess what? MASH TREATED AN ATTACK THAT WAS DEADLY AS A BAD JOKE. Cell himself was surprised since he remembered how shit Mash was against his spells. It's not a question of whether it looks easy or hard, it's a question of narrative, and narratively the ******* attack was hard as **** to fight against
Limited Regeneration
And although it is not regeneration, this is how we write it when the character just stops the damage by crushing the muscles
WHICH ANGLE? The thing pierced Mash abdomen and penetrated his body, there is not a single indication that he moved . NOTHING INDICATES THIS. Moments later we see that his abdomen and back is exploding with blood, and you say he dodged? LOOK AT THE ******* TRIDENT AND HOW IT IS PIERCING MASH.
You dont believe? Okay
He is cut countless times on all sides, and his clothes are intact
He is cut further and further, and his clothes are intact
He is cut again, and his clothes are intact
He is pierced by several thorns, and his clothes are still intact
Do you want me to continue or is that enough?
Besides, if it was a trick it would be explicit
Instinctive Reactions
He reacts to threats, not only for his cream puffs. Mash simply interprets the idea of someone stealing his candy as a threat, but that doesn't mean it's limited. Why do you think that Abel havent used the same spell again but simple not touching the cream puff?
Density Manipulation
Mash can increase his body density from his muscle fibers, the text is explicit. Not only that but the scans says that his muscles act like steel
Stealth Mastery
Statistic Amplification
Limited Perception Manipulation
Analytic Prediction
However, you ****** it up so bad that I can't even let it pass
Limited Attack Reflection
Removed resistances
Gravity Manipulation
Fear Manipulation
Curse and Mind Manipulation
Empathic Manipulation
EDIT: Need to check the raws
EDIT2: Resistance is indeed wrong
Soul Manipulation
Now the point is, wizards without magic are ******* nobodys, they are technically """"""normal humans"""""", and yet Domina resisted that spell through sheer toughness. Something that well, Mash excel even in Whalberg terms. If Domina had magic left, then there would be no resistance for Mash, but he didn't had any.
Body Puppetry
Attack Reflection
Acid Manipulation
Conclusion
Return the profile to what it was before, even with the wrong things. There are many bad justifications and many things missing, yet it is better than the current state of the profile. So when I get time I will completely revise the profile and improve everything (Hopefully with help of someone but that one have never come).
Also, if anyone wants to improve the quality of the page, please, go to the general discussion and help to create new files for the verse and not destroying the ones that have already been created
You guys literally removed all resistances and didn't even remove the tabber. How considerable. Not a "I'm going to downgrade this character that nobody cares and then leave the profile as sewer shit" bit
I agree that the profile was crap and needed several revisions, but if you want to improve it at least do it right and with help of someone who really knows about the verse
Previous thread
I would recomend to read the previous thread first
P&A
Acrobatics
First, the definition of acrobat:
He can do a ******* perfect curve without losing speed. Mash is literally ignoraning the momentum lose
Now the site definition
- involving or able to perform difficult and attractive body movements
- "an acrobatic leap into the air"
- involving a lot of skill and energy in controlling the movement of your body to do something difficult
- Karate is a very acrobatic martial art
Now lets see the bullshitAcrobatics is defined as the technique of performing maneuvers of balance, dexterity, agility, and coordination. In fiction, the levels of acrobatics can vary between simply performing extraordinary human movements to defiance of the laws of gravity and movement.
Possible Uses
- Hypermobility: The user is capable of performing extremely agile movements with their body that could cause pain or even notable injuries to the vast majority of other people under the same conditions, including surviving falls by simply maneuvering.
- All-Terrain Mobility: The user does not suffer any negative effects by moving in different types of terrains: closed spaces, slippery surfaces, collapsing structures. The user could hardly lose balance and speed in such terrains.
- Self-Momentum: The character controls their own movements, being capable of accelerating and decelerating quickly with no issues, by physical means, such as pushing against a surface or grabbing an object mid-air, in order to change one's direction.
- Surface Running: By stepping on any solid (or even liquid) surface and continuing to move, the user is capable of moving on walls, ceilings, and other irregular surfaces. Unlike Surface Scaling, a user needs to keep their speed in order to keep moving across the surface, falling back once they lose momentum.
- Crawling quickly as a baby isn’t evidence of Acrobatics
He can do a ******* perfect curve without losing speed. Mash is literally ignoraning the momentum lose
- nor is making a 90 degree turn “without losing momentum.” The user also claims he didn’t lose momentum yet the scan doesn’t imply this.
- Mash was never presented to have fought with a broken spine
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- These aren’t stated to afterimages, it is simply an artistic impression to show case multiple movements in a single panel
Also, at the beginning of the battle against Doom both showed to create afterimages against each other
Also also, any basic punching sequence from Mash creates afterimage
- Tricking people into thinking your clothes are you isn’t afterimage creation
Literally Orter, one of the greatest geniuses in the universe, who is able to keep up against invicible attacks that ignore extrasensory perception and FTE movements was believing that he had killed Mash. He is neither dumb nor blind, he would realize if it was just a few silly clothes in the air
- as it’s never stated Mash couldn’t resist this ability nor is it confirmed that he can naturally adapt to abilities like this
There is a room in which gravity increases exponentially every 10 minutes, in the first instant Mash could not even move. Yes, Mash could not move twice his body weight, the same ******* guy who is Class Z. Not only that, but Mash previously proved strong enough to ignore the gravitational force that was enough to crush a large area of a forest. So it is quite obvious that gravity in that room ignored the strength of the person. And guess what? Some time later Mash was able to move around in that room without difficulty, something that previously he needed the unlimited mode to do.
Furthermore, to support that gravitational magics are able to ignore resistances, high level wizards are able to protect themselves from the effects of gravity, however Lance, someone who can control gravity, after increasing the quality of his spells could affect even wizards infinitely stronger than him and who also has this kind of protection
- Mash himself cannot perceive the aura’s of his opponent or see the statistic of his opponent’s, the evidence on the profile only shows his muscles twitching in the presence of a powerful opponent
Also, Mash could sense Zero prescense without the muscles warning him
- He himself cannot depict how strong so this ability should limited
- The justification of him “feeling a powerful attack before it has even attacked” is also false. The attack clearly clamped onto his leg and even Zero (the person he was fighting) notes that Mash physically felt the difference in power between them
And the "physically felt" thing was pulled out of the ass. I mean, if Mash felt the touch of a shadow magic I suppose we could put non-physical interaction for Mash, right?
- his ability is linking to Physics Manipulation which is described as “the ability to distort, alter, and manipulate the laws of physics and the fundamental forces that govern natural phenomena in the universe” the evidence on the page doesn’t state nor imply what the justification states. It never says “mash can exert the same level of power despite being slowed down or attacking an opponent with a graze” which is what the Profile creator is saying. Mash has never shown such an ability and having explosive power while slowed downed is just an application of having intense strength.
Mash's power is considered explosive and having an INSTANTANEOUS FORCE, thats it, the force happens INSTANTLY, no matter if he is moving like a slug or how little he touches the target, something that surprises even his opponents. This is literally controlling the very kinetic energy generated from his movements.
You may not like the word "Physics manipulation", but that's what we use when the character canonically doesn't give a shit about the kinect energy of his own body.
- Mash “learning” how to swim shouldn’t be a justification of this ability. Mash never learned the fundamentals of said ability, but used his overwhelming arm strength to quickly maneuver underwater.
- Him being capable of countering a simplistic attack he has seen before isn’t AD, this should also be removed.
No offense, BUT COME ON.
Cell War's spell was so difficult to deal with that Mash almost died and needed outside help to land a punch. Not only that, but moments earlier the feat Dot was doubting that Mash would be able to win since he had not been able to do anything without help . And then, guess what? MASH TREATED AN ATTACK THAT WAS DEADLY AS A BAD JOKE. Cell himself was surprised since he remembered how shit Mash was against his spells. It's not a question of whether it looks easy or hard, it's a question of narrative, and narratively the ******* attack was hard as **** to fight against
Limited Regeneration
- Clenching your muscles, something he has to show proof of, to stop bleeding isn’t regenerative powers
And although it is not regeneration, this is how we write it when the character just stops the damage by crushing the muscles
- Mash is never stated to have had his spine “pierced” given the angle this could have easily missed his spine or anything
WHICH ANGLE? The thing pierced Mash abdomen and penetrated his body, there is not a single indication that he moved . NOTHING INDICATES THIS. Moments later we see that his abdomen and back is exploding with blood, and you say he dodged? LOOK AT THE ******* TRIDENT AND HOW IT IS PIERCING MASH.
- His shirt doesn’t even have a hole in it. It appears to be one of Mash many instances of tricking his opponents into believing they’ve done one thing despite it not being the case.
You dont believe? Okay
He is cut countless times on all sides, and his clothes are intact
He is cut further and further, and his clothes are intact
He is cut again, and his clothes are intact
He is pierced by several thorns, and his clothes are still intact
Do you want me to continue or is that enough?
Besides, if it was a trick it would be explicit
- This ability should be limited, as he only showcased such when his creampuffs were being taken away from him
He reacts to threats, not only for his cream puffs. Mash simply interprets the idea of someone stealing his candy as a threat, but that doesn't mean it's limited. Why do you think that Abel havent used the same spell again but simple not touching the cream puff?
- when he is sleeping, which even then his body only preformed certain acts (such as exercise), is such a thing instinctive Reactions?
- Mash has never showcased the ability to change the density of his own body. The justification on his profile claims such but the scan provided doesn’t state this. The scan states that Mash’s body naturally compresses his muscles (a real life phenomenon) to allow him to be so strong without having a large physique. This also allows him to to attack with great force as his muscles act like a compressed spring (real life phenomenon). Mash doesn’t have control over his body’s density, this ability should be removed.
- "His muscle fibers, which themselves have been compressed to a high density..."
Mash can increase his body density from his muscle fibers, the text is explicit. Not only that but the scans says that his muscles act like steel
- Mash has never shown the ability to conceal his own presence not has he been shown to be aware of his own “aura”. The people on his profile where shown to be caught off guard or haven’t showcased the ability to see this pressure given off by Mash. This ability should be removed.
- Mash is constantly holding back, naming an attack (something he does in series to trick people into thinking he has magic) and doing an impressive feat is simply done by him using more power than usual. Saitama having a casual punch and then a serious punch isn’t statistic amplification for that same reason. This ability should be removed.
- Mash himself cannot cause hallucinations. Him choking someone and human biology kicking In doesn’t indicate he has some supernatural ability capable of doing such. It’s like saying stabbing someone and them dying from shock is death manipulation.
- The first part is fine, but the part about him reacting to FTE attacks is false, not once does it state ,in series, that Doom was FTE to Mash, reacting to an FTE attack point blank range is literally impossible with Analytic Prediction, this would be a showcasing of baseline speed.
However, you ****** it up so bad that I can't even let it pass
- Do I even have to explain this
Gravity Manipulation
- Mash only resisted this by being physically strong. It’s a rule on the literal ability that resisting gravity attacks via LS doesn’t warrant this ability.
There is a room in which gravity increases exponentially every 10 minutes, in the first instant Mash could not even move. Yes, Mash could not move twice his body weight, the same ******* guy who is Class Z. Not only that, but Mash previously proved strong enough to ignore the gravitational force that was enough to crush a large area of a forest. So it is quite obvious that gravity in that room ignored the strength of the person. And guess what? Some time later Mash was able to move around in that room without difficulty, something that previously he needed the unlimited mode to do.
Furthermore, to support that gravitational magics are able to ignore resistances, high level wizards are able to protect themselves from the effects of gravity, however Lance, someone who can control gravity, after increasing the quality of his spells could affect even wizards infinitely stronger than him and who also has this kind of protection
- Walenburg has never showcased being capable of passively doing this, nor do we know if this is caused by his aura
- “Oh if that scares you” he himself acknowledges that he is aware of what he just did to the underling
- Mash is never stated to have the most “powerful mental fortitude in the verse”
- and being capable of overcoming most spells in the world via being physically strong has no correlation with resisting mental or supernatural attacks.
- Mash shouldn’t be granted this resistance due to an entirety different character breaking free from this ability. It’s baseless and downright incorrect. He associates the darkness mind control with corruption due to it controlling an entire civilization… that’s just mind control, and mash doesn’t even resist this. The magic has different properties and giving magma the ability to absorb mass doesn’t indicate that anything it does will share this ability, this is baseless
- This spell is stated to only work when the defender has some feelings towards her, it’s stated that Mash doesn’t have any feelings towards her, this isn’t an resistance.
EDIT: Need to check the raws
EDIT2: Resistance is indeed wrong
- Mash being physically strong doesn’t depict that he has the same resistances as other people.
Now the point is, wizards without magic are ******* nobodys, they are technically """"""normal humans"""""", and yet Domina resisted that spell through sheer toughness. Something that well, Mash excel even in Whalberg terms. If Domina had magic left, then there would be no resistance for Mash, but he didn't had any.
- The reasoning is just faulty and “soul-splitting pain!” Is not soul manipulation, it’s clearly an exaggeration used to indicate the level of pain the monsters would inflict from their strikes. You don’t resist soul manipulation from being physically strong.
- Abel is shown to control his opponents physically, all Mash did was overpower his physical control over him with superior strength. It’s the equivalent of beating Telekinetic powers with higher LS. This isn’t a resistance.
- It’s directly stated this attack reflection was done by being physically superior to a weaker spell. This isn’t attack reflection and fighting someone who hasn’t even been shown to have this ability isn’t resistance to attack reflection.
- FRA, he doesn’t scale to someone’s else resistan
Return the profile to what it was before, even with the wrong things. There are many bad justifications and many things missing, yet it is better than the current state of the profile. So when I get time I will completely revise the profile and improve everything (Hopefully with help of someone but that one have never come).
Also, if anyone wants to improve the quality of the page, please, go to the general discussion and help to create new files for the verse and not destroying the ones that have already been created
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