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Transduality 2 for Graham and Anos

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Vietthai96 said:
Dual system is already require conceptual, you just don't understand what he meant, he meant that you need to prove that these character beyond all dual system of the verse itself
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I was referring to that only he seemed to proposing TD type 1 that's why
 
Pain_to12 said:
Read it
If the Transduality 2 is for their source and true form that’s okay
Limited for Anos from what I read on the thread
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Qawsedf234 said:
From the look of it (I quite literally know nothing about the series), TD type 2 in their true forms is probably acceptable, but the lesser would at most qualify for Type 1 from what I'm seeing.
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It seems like the above has been accepted then.

Thank you for helping out.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
So is this gonna be applied to their profiles?
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Somebody who knows how to edit properly needs to handle it.

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Antvasima said:
Somebody who knows how to edit properly needs to handle it.

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I guess Fixxed or oblivion should handle this.
 
Antvasima said:
Somebody who knows how to edit properly needs to handle it.

Please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary. The Standard Format for Character Profiles page is also very useful to take a look through.

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I can apply the changes in some minutes. In advance, I'll need these two pages unlocked:

Anos Voldigoad
Graham (Maou Gakuin)
 
I think you need to ask someone else to unlock the pages as Ant went offline.
 
Fixxed said:
Order is duality
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From reading chapter WN Chapter 402, 412, and 423, it does seem like order is a dual system in the verse. However, it is also hypothesised that order is part of another duality between "order" and "chaos". Order is "positive providence" and chaos is "negative providence" (or lack of order).

Fixxed said:
And misfit is unbound all order
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Misfits do indeed exist outside the world's framework, order and reason altogether.

Fixxed said:
Graham:
Graham is misfit that unbound by order and reason. His true form is nothingness that lack of reason, and make him cannot be interacted.
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Sure, as a misfit Graham exists outside order and reason, and his true nature is that of a pure nothingness without reason. According to site standards, Graham's physical body cannot qualify for transduality of any type AFAIK, but IMO his true nature could probably qualify for some type of transduality.

Fixxed said:
Anos:
Anos is misfit that unbound by order and reason. His true form/nature is negative providence that opposite the order itself, far exceed graham's nonexistence.
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Again, sure, as a misfit Anos exists outside order and reason, and his "true nature" is hypothesised to be destruction and chaos, but this is only an unproven hypothesis. However, given that Anos is a misfit, I think it is fine to assume that the true nature of his source lacks order. Again, according to site standards, Anos' physical body cannot qualify for transduality of any type AFAIK, but IMO his source could probably qualify for some type of limited transduality.

Fixxed said:
The world will only chaos and destroyed if his true form is appear in reality, world cannot endure his true form in other word world cannot interacted with it
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This is kinda incorrect, and Anos having a "true form" is just headcanon atm.
The true power of Anos' MEoCD will make the world collapse and become chaotic, and his unsuppressed presence will destroy the world.
At least these point are not that relevant to whether or not Anos qualifies for transduality.

Anyways, I am only uncertain of what type of transduality both Graham and Anos qualifies for. They are beyond the dual system of order and all its dualities, but they still seem to be part of the hypothesised dual system between order and "chaos". So I'd prefer some more input on whether they qualify for TD1 or TD2.

**This thread should also preferably be closed btw.
 
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I dont think it would be Limited, just specific. For example:

"Transduality (Type 2 for his source only. [Insert explanation here])" in Anos' case

And yeah, only Graham's nonexistent body would have that, if anything.
 
That seems fine.
Could you please post drafts of the justifications you're gonna add btw?
Also, what TD type do you think they both qualify for?
 
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Should Graham's source of nothingness qualify? Since this one is beyond order and true nature also but also lacks reason.
 
imZer0Null said:
That seems fine.
Could you please post the drafts of the explanations you're gonna add?
Also, what TD type do you think they both qualify for?
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Personally I think TD 2 is more accurate given the descriptions and statments than TD 1.
 
imZer0Null said:
AFAIK it would still be part of the duality between existence and nonexistence, so probably not.
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Kay, and who would get the NPI? I already said it would be Anos, MEoCD, Venuz, Sasha and Lay with Evansmana, what do you think? Practically only those who can manipulate and destroy reason. And Lay is only there because Evansmana was a weapon created to permanently kill Anos.
 
imZer0Null said:
That seems fine.
Could you please post the drafts of the explanations you're gonna add?
Also, what TD type do you think they both qualify for?
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My interpretation of Wenzel's and Dilfred's explanations was:

Order in general = Dual System (Creation-Destruction, Birth-Abortion, etc)

Chaos = The lack of and opposite of the above system

Like if Order is 0 and 1, Chaos would be 2 (or something else) as neither opposite sides of Order are applicable to it.

So Type 2 TD.
 
Dereck03 said:
Kay, and who would get the NPI? I already said it would be Anos, MEoCD, Venuz, Sasha and Lay with Evansmana, what do you think? Practically only those who can manipulate and destroy reason. And Lay is only there because Evansmana was a weapon created to permanently kill Anos.
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Eques as well.
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Eques thanks to Graham creating him (may be)
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
My interpretation of Wenzel's and Dilfred's explanations was:

Order in general = Dual System (Creation-Destruction, Birth-Abortion, etc)

Chaos = The lack of and opposite of the above system

Like if Order is 0 and 1, Chaos would be 2 as neither opposite sides of Order are applicable to it.

So Type 2 TD.
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Hmm... That's an interesting interpretation. I personally would be fine with TD2 then, given the above explanation.
 
imZer0Null said:
Hmm... That's an interesting interpretation. I personally would be fine with TD2 then, given the above explanation.
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Dereck03 said:
Kay, and who would get the NPI? I already said it would be Anos, MEoCD, Venuz, Sasha and Lay with Evansmana, what do you think? Practically only those who can manipulate and destroy reason. And Lay is only there because Evansmana was a weapon created to permanently kill Anos.
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Eques as well.
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And I think Graham should have NPI as well, because of his true nature.
 
I keep wondering if those that can affect TD 2 can affect Aca 5. If so then Anos vs Madoka instantly.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Hey still not working. Checked in other browser also.
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