Aijou Rentarou Revision

[Grabbing_dragon]

Why would we need more explicit explanation when its already directly compared to like actually Common Sense we know, when Rentarou did this feat the literal manga stopped being restrained by Common Sense and the Anime that wasn't approved due to it aired. So like Common Sense as an Idea is actually gone, so its either like Logic Manipulation like you said or maybe some sort of NPI for Ideas? It should be something big, come on now

I am between NPI for Ideas and Logic Manipulation or maybe both.

Logic Manipulation is kind of strict. If the staff agree with it, then I won’t argue against it.

Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation and Existence Erasure - He tackled Common Sense (Chapter 130) and endured the explosion that erased it from the manga (Chapter 130)

Existence Erasure - He tackled Common Sense (Chapter 130) and erased it from the manga (Chapter 130)

The official translation does the scan better since it says that common sense disappeared from this world.

 

[ShionAH]

The official translation does the scan better since it says that common sense disappeared from this world.

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@Qawsedf234 Could you help us figure out what this feat would be if not Conceptual Manipulation Type 2? Do you have any ideas?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could you help us figure out what this feat would be if not Conceptual Manipulation Type 2? Do you have any ideas?

It's just not conceptual manipulation. A real concept cannot fall to it's death because Common Sense isn't a physical thing, its an abstract idea. It's just an example of either a 4th Wall Break or a Toonforce showing

 

[ShionAH]

A real concept cannot fall to it's death because Common Sense isn't a physical thing, its an abstract idea.

How come this isn’t just NPI or some sort of EE and RW? And there’s no way a feat like this is just “toon force” which isn’t even really a specific power and Fourth Wall Breaking is just random since other than the mention of the anime theres no reason for it to be that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How come this isn’t just NPI

NPI is touching a concept, not killing it with fall damage

some sorft of EE

EE does not affect concepts, but matter or raw material

and RW

Reality Warping requires something like this, where the character directly alters or destroys the concept. Tackling it off a roof and it being destroyed from the fall is a crippling anti-feat for CM, not a feat for it.

 

[ShionAH]

NPI is touching a concept, not killing it with fall damage

Tackling and wrestling a concept to the death sounds like NPI to me?

EE does not affect concepts, but matter or raw material

Existence Erasure can be anything from erasing matter to erasing a concept.

Reality Warping requires something like this, where the character directly alters or destroys the concept. Tackling it off a roof and it being destroyed from the fall is a crippling anti-feat for CM, not a feat for it.

It would be a feat for Rentarou since he was the one who tackled and then killed it, there was obviously something additional since no normal fall like that would create a giant explosion. We cannot just ignore a character casually erasing common sense entirely, thats an absurdly impressive feat.

 

[Qawsedf234]

We cannot just ignore a character casually erasing common sense entirely, thats an absurdly impressive feat.

I'm not changing my stance here. This isn't Concept Manipulation. It's a Toonforce or a 4th Wall Break since it's an anime announcement chapter. There's no manipulation of a concept here. The MC tackles a thing labeled as common sense, and the fall destroys it, which is nonsensical for conceptual erasure.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

You are still wrong about the splitting though, thats openly stated he can do it and your counter against it isnt even a thing

 

[Qawsedf234]

You are still wrong about the splitting though, thats openly stated he can do it and your counter against it isnt even a thing

If you're willing to meet me halfway, I can get behind "Likely Duplication & Body Control" being added.

 

[ShionAH]

I'm not changing my stance here. This isn't Concept Manipulation.

You don’t have to change your stance I am asking for a replacement ability if we aren’t adding it, right now its accepted as CM. And I want to be accurate.

He already has reality warping so could this just be a further showcase of it or something? Destroying ideas?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I am asking for a replacement ability if we aren’t adding it, right now its accepted as CM. And I want to be accurate.

It would be moving its current position to a sub-section of "Breaking the Fourth Wall & Plot Manipulation and Reality Warping"

 

[BlackDarkness679]

If you're willing to meet me halfway, I can get behind "Likely Duplication & Body Control" being added.

Deal on my end

 

[ShionAH]

It would be moving its current position to a sub-section of "Breaking the Fourth Wall & Plot Manipulation and Reality Warping"

Alright, do I need another CRT to remove CM2?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Why dont you solve most things in a CRT at hand instead of doing multiple of them

 

[ShionAH]

Why dont you solve most things in a CRT at hand instead of doing multiple of them

You are right I wanna solve it here but Idk if I need a completely new CRT to remove it or not

 

[Qawsedf234]

Alright, do I need another CRT to remove CM2?

No, this CRT can cover having it moved. You'd only need a CRT to completely get rid of it.

 

[ShionAH]

No, this CRT can cover having it moved. You'd only need a CRT to completely get rid of it.

I added it, I wanted to question what you think of it being EE?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Everything else accepted was apllied yes? Outside the common sense and body split

Can we get more staff to comment for this on those things left

 

[ShionAH]

Everything else accepted was apllied yes? Outside the common sense and body split

Can we get more staff to comment for this on those things left

Nothing is left, everything was accepted. Common Sense is just a feat for his RW and Body Split is Likely Duplication

I was just asking to see if EE was possible

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nothing is left, everything was accepted. Common Sense is just a feat for his RW and Body Split is Likely Duplication

I was just asking to see if EE was possible

Bro Qaw said above he was gonna accept this

If you're willing to meet me halfway, I can get behind "Likely Duplication & Body Control" being added.

 

[ShionAH]

Bro Qaw said above he was gonna accept this

Yes. And I added it. Its added as Likely.

??

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I thought you didnt, if thats the case, then this thread should be closed then

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright I'll close the thread if it's been applied