Aijou Rentarou Revision

[ShionAH]

Resistance to RW - He tackled Common Sense (Chapter 130) and endured the explosion that erased it from the manga (Chapter 130)

RW - He tackled Common Sense (Chapter 130) and erased it from the manga (Chapter 130)

Body Control - Could split himself into parts (Chapter 250) just to save his girlfriends when in earlier chapters he was powerless against Chiyo calling out his polyarmus relationship (Chapter 52) further reinforced by Momiji stating not even she knew he could do that. (Chapter 250)

Immortality Type 2 - Survived being impaled (Chapter 214)

Change Range from Low Multiversal to Multiversal - Nano stated there was countless parallel universes (Chapter 208)

Remove this from Stamina - It was implied he kissed Suu Five quadrillion seven hundred four trillion nine billion four hundred ten million two hundred thirty thousand six hundred eighty eight times - It's a hilarious feat but I unfortunately think they were just saying random big numbers looking at Suu's general character, so they just kissed a ton rather than that many times logically.

Fix the Gun - No idea how I made this mistake lol, Rentarou's glock is actually a water pistol to put out fire

Agree: 2 (@Qawsedf234, @Lilybitdun)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[BlackDarkness679]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:NIK_FARIS/Hahari%27s_Hair_is_Too_Long

Dont forget Rentaro can vary up to this level in AP, its an accepted calc, plus we were told before at that LS he has he would be stronger in AP too as a result too

The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You Discussion Thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-rentarou.192713/

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Also time shenanigans too, comparing it the dragon ball hyperbolic time chamber

 

[ShionAH]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:NIK_FARIS/Hahari%27s_Hair_is_Too_Long

Dont forget Rentaro can vary up to this level in AP, its an accepted calc, plus we were told before at that LS he has he would be stronger in AP too as a result too

Like I said before I don't how to feel about it so I wont add it myself. You are all allowed to do it on your own.

The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You Discussion Thread

https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-rentarou.192713/

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Also time shenanigans too, comparing it the dragon ball hyperbolic time chamber

Don't think we have proof this is Rentarou's doing. It could be the manga and the universe being nonsense as usual

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Like I said before I don't how to feel about it so I wont add it myself. You are all allowed to do it on your own.

Why should we have a separate thread for it when it can be tackled here

Again, don't think we have proof this is Rentarou's doing. It could be the manga and the universe being nonsense as usual

Didnt we have other instances of time messing that he done or pointed?

 

[ShionAH]

Why should we have a separate thread for it when it can be tackled here

Because I don't want to defend that argument? Its also likely way more controversial then what I am adding here

Didnt we have other instances of time messing that he done or pointed?

He does at one point plan to travel back in time to fix Shizuka's first meeting with her favorite author but he doesn't do it

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Because I don't want to defend that argument? Its also likely way more controversial then what I am adding here

Given he has Class E lifting for a physically tier 9/8 character, out of which many said he cant be so low from that in AP, I dont see how is it controversial imo

He does at one point plan to travel back in time to fix Shizuka's first meeting with her favorite author but he doesn't do it

Then why not consider it a possibly, it is there hinted to have time powers

 

[CJunitilarian]

seems fine, i feel like we can leave the stamina aspect same since i mean it's Rentarou and Suu only does things that involve numbers, really big ones

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Isn't countless universes are 2-C? I don't remember really, but I see some verses has same thing and count as 2-C

 

[ShionAH]

Isn't countless universes are 2-C? I don't remember really, but I see some verse has same thing and count as 2-C

Countless is 2-B.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Isn't countless universes are 2-C? I don't remember really, but I see some verse has same thing and count as 2-C

2-C is only 2 or more universes, countless and infinite are for 2-B and 2-A

 

[Qawsedf234]

Reactive Evolution - Could split himself into parts (Chapter 250) just to save his girlfriends when in earlier chapters he was powerless against Chiyo calling out his polyarmus relationship (Chapter 52) further reinforced by Momiji stating not even she knew he could do that. (Chapter 250)

This... isn't reactive evolution at all. Reactive Evolution requires that you actually evolve to counter something. He also does not successfully split himself.

Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation and Existence Erasure - He tackled Common Sense (Chapter 130) and endured the explosion that erased it from the manga (Chapter 130)

You have to showcase that Common Sense actually has conceptual manipulation. If anything this seems more like a Gag-feat that a legitimate showing

Body Control - Could split himself into parts (Chapter 250)

Trying to split in half, and then failing to do so, is not body manipulation. If you break your finger to prove a point you don't have body manipulation.

Immortality Type 2 - Implied he could stay alive and save his girlfriends after being split into parts (Chapter 250)

You need actually evidence for that

survived melting (Chapter 128)

Not an immortality feat

and being impaled (Chapter 214)

Probably counts

Flaming Torch (Chapter 55)

Having a torch in a single chapter isn't anything notable.

Change Range from Low Multiversal to Multiversal - Nano stated there was countless parallel universes (Chapter 208)

Remove this from Stamina - It was implied he kissed Suu Five quadrillion seven hundred four trillion nine billion four hundred ten million two hundred thirty thousand six hundred eighty eight times - It's a hilarious feat but I unfortunately think they were just saying random big numbers looking at Suu's general character, so they just kissed a ton rather than that many times logically.

Fix the Gun - No idea how I made this mistake lol, Rentarou's glock is actually a water pistol to put out fire

These are fine

 

[Mommyleona]

If anything this seems more like a Gag-feat that a legitimate showing

most of his page is like that

 

[BlackDarkness679]

This... isn't reactive evolution at all. Reactive Evolution requires that you actually evolve to counter something. He also does not successfully split himself.

Next panel they say he can split himself and that they didnt knew he could do so till now, he didnt do it cuz he got stopped by the girls told him so

You have to showcase that Common Sense actually has conceptual manipulation. If anything this seems more like a Gag-feat that a legitimate showing

The series itself is very meta and silly in general, so something like this isnt anything out of the ordinary

 

[ShionAH]

This... isn't reactive evolution at all. Reactive Evolution requires that you actually evolve to counter something. He also does not successfully split himself.

They stop him but he was very obviously doing it they even mention how he could, I thought evolving abilities was also RE? Otherwise what ability would that be?

You have to showcase that Common Sense actually has conceptual manipulation. If anything this seems more like a Gag-feat that a legitimate showing

It is a gag manga so obviously its absurd, but Common Sense was directly stated to be erased from the manga completely after this like it literally didn't exist anymore and couldn't limit the story. You cannot get more straight forward than showing the concept being erased on screen

Trying to split in half, and then failing to do so, is not body manipulation. If you break your finger to prove a point you don't have body manipulation.

Qawsed, can you split yourself into two just by wanting to do it? Like what? You cannot just break your finger by wanting to break it, you have to you know hit it. Or in this case cut yourself with something or in some way, not just will it to happen.

Plus they literally say he could do that right in the next panel. This is absolutely body control.

Having a torch in a single chapter isn't anything notable.

Would it not be a equipment?

 

[ShionAH]

most of his page is like that

Entire series is like that*

 

[Mommyleona]

but Common Sense was directly stated to be erased from the manga completely

where was it said to be erased

 

[ShionAH]

where was it said to be erased

Its in the OP, they also say as long as it exists the Anime wont release. And guess what lol.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

They stop him but he was very obviously doing it they even mention how he could, I thought evolving abilities was also RE? Otherwise what ability would that be?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Accelerated_Development

Perhaps this?

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[ShionAH]

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[BlackDarkness679]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Accelerated_Development

Perhaps this?

Change RE to this also in the OP

 

[BoastJr]

Rentarou is one of the few MCs who could come to irl and beat up the author himself

Why isn't he tier -1 yet

 

[Qawsedf234]

They stop him but he was very obviously doing it they even mention how he could, I thought evolving abilities was also RE? Otherwise what ability would that be?

Its an act of willpower, but there's nothing suggesting within the page that he could successfully duplicate himself.

You cannot get more straight forward than showing the concept being erased on screen

You have to showcase the being actually has conceptual powers. Being called something isn't enough because it's not an abstract concept but a thing walking around.

Qawsed, can you split yourself into two just by wanting to do it? Like what?

The character failed to do so as well. You have to showcase them successfully doing something to get a power. Trying and then failing doesn't mean anything.

Would it not be a equipment?

No

Equipment listed as standard should be equipment the character has access to in a majority of their canon appearances. This is not to be confused with Optional Equipment, which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person.

You have to show that the torch is used for a majority of his appearances for standard gear and used for an extended period of time for optional gear.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Next panel they say he can split himself and that they didnt knew he could do so till now, he didnt do it cuz he got stopped by the girls told him so

The character failed to do so as well. You have to showcase them successfully doing something to get a power. Trying and then failing doesn't mean anything.

Bro he was stopped, what is this stubborness to equate a character being stopped from doing something vs trying and failing, it literally shows he was gonna split himself, has wounds of it and the characters whom witnessed that said he was gonna do it

 

[Qawsedf234]

literally shows he was gonna split himself, has wounds of it and the characters whom witnessed that said he was gonna do it

It was shown he was trying, not that he succeeded. It still wouldn't be RE/AD either but a form of duplication. I don't agree with either of the suggested powers being added.

 

[ShionAH]

It was shown he was trying, not that he succeeded.

Are we serious? She literally says he can.

 

[ShionAH]

You have to showcase the being actually has conceptual powers. Being called something isn't enough because it's not an abstract concept but a thing walking around.

Its directly stated that Common Sense stops the Anime from happening and yet it did because Rentarou erased it

After Rentarou kills Common Sense its directly stated the manga is not bound by Common Sense anymore

My opinion is that I would agree with your points if it wasn't directly stated that the manga broke free from the restraints of Common Sense after Rentarou murdered it. This wouldn't make sense if this thing wasn't a concept or something of that nature but just a regular being

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Like you were told already what goes and you deny with your own wrong narrative, your word vs the characters regarding the splitting

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Its directly stated that Common Sense stops the Anime from happening and yet it did because Rentarou erased it

After Rentarou kills Common Sense its directly stated the manga is not bound by Common Sense anymore

My opinion is that I would agree with your points if it wasn't directly stated that the manga broke free from the restraints of Common Sense after Rentarou murdered it. This wouldn't make sense if this thing wasn't a concept or something of that nature but just a regular being

For CM, there needs to be a relationship between the concept itself and what it governs (the category). So, there is a difference between "common sense" as a phenomenon and "the concept of common sense" as the abstract concept behind it. What Rentarou destroyed was common sense rather than the governing concept, in the same way that you don't need to destroy the concept of spacetime, but just spacetime itself, in order to have a void without spacetime.

 

[ShionAH]

For CM, there needs to be a relationship between the concept itself and what it governs (the category). So, there is a difference between "common sense" as a phenomenon and "the concept of common sense" as the abstract concept behind it. What Rentarou destroyed was common sense rather than the governing concept, in the same way that you don't need to destroy the concept of spacetime, but just spacetime itself, in order to have a void without spacetime.

What ability do you think would fit this feat if it isn't considered CM?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Shion ask other mods too, you had 1 give an opinion so far

 

[ShionAH]

Shion ask other mods too, you had 1 give an opinion so far

I called a few

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

What ability do you think would fit this feat if it isn't considered CM?

Can't think of any aside from 4th wall breaking, which he already has. Though, you could improve its explanation with it.

 

[ShionAH]

Can't think of any aside from 4th wall breaking, which he already has. Though, you could improve its explanation with it.

I feel like erasing Common Sense from the manga gotta be something

 

[Lilybitdun]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Qawsedf here

 

[ShionAH]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Qawsedf here

Do you have any opinions/ideas on what ability the Common Sense situation would be if not CM2? Thanks for coming btw.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Do you have any opinions/ideas on what ability the Common Sense situation would be if not CM2? Thanks for coming btw.

I'm not familiar on CM stuff to give my thoughts on that, apologies

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I feel like erasing Common Sense from the manga gotta be something

For something beyond it, it would need a better or more explicit explanation, the same way as with CM. Like for Logic Manipulation, it would need an explanation stating that Common Sense was a form of deductive reasoning that tangibly governs their world's reality, defining its intelligibility as such.

 

[ShionAH]

For something beyond it, it would need a better or more explicit explanation, the same way as with CM. For Logic Manipulation, it would need an explanation stating that Common Sense is not just normal thinking, but a form of deductive reasoning that tangibly governs their world's reality, defining its intelligibility as such.

Why would we need more explicit explanation when its already directly compared to like actually Common Sense we know, when Rentarou did this feat the literal manga stopped being restrained by Common Sense and the Anime that wasn't approved due to it aired. So like Common Sense as an Idea is actually gone, so its either like Logic Manipulation like you said or maybe some sort of NPI for Ideas? It should be something big, come on now

I am between NPI for Ideas and Logic Manipulation or maybe both.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I think for NPI you need proof it cant be interacted normally