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Argus
Xiao
Both are at 7-A
Speed not equalize
Location is the Amazon rain forest
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Edgy adeptus: @Mickey1940 @Puppet43 @SuperNunnas
Edgy fallen angel: @Harry_Ackerman_6969
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Xiao vs argus
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Argus
Xiao
Both are at 7-A
Speed not equalize
Location is the Amazon rain forest
Points
Edgy adeptus: @Mickey1940 @Puppet43 @SuperNunnas
Edgy fallen angel: @Harry_Ackerman_6969
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Harry_Ackerman_6969
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Funny seeing this knowing how pretty scuff the MLBB page really is.
Looking through it Argus is like about 100 Megatons (and more) stronger than Xiao while he (seeing that you didn’t equalise speed) is faster than Argus but not a lot. Physically Argus takes this but I don’t know how that’ll translate to their abilities cause Xiao has like a crap ton of it.
Argus doesn’t have anything to bypass the whole Adeptus arts Xiao can do and, if Xiao realises that he can’t conventionally kill him, even targeting Argus soul, he might just end up sealing Argus all together with the whole pocket reality.
Looking through it Argus is like about 100 Megatons (and more) stronger than Xiao while he (seeing that you didn’t equalise speed) is faster than Argus but not a lot. Physically Argus takes this but I don’t know how that’ll translate to their abilities cause Xiao has like a crap ton of it.
Argus doesn’t have anything to bypass the whole Adeptus arts Xiao can do and, if Xiao realises that he can’t conventionally kill him, even targeting Argus soul, he might just end up sealing Argus all together with the whole pocket reality.
Harry_Ackerman_6969
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For good to be honest Argus is REALLY getting carried by his type 5 immortality here since every other abilities he has, Xiao has answer to counter them.
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Argus's stats:
AP: 545.69 Megatons, likely higher, 1.09 Gigatons, likely higher with Warmonger, even higher with Blood Fury
Durability: 545.69 Megatons, likely higher
Speed: 616.35 m/s, 955.34 m/s attack speed with Meteoric Sword
Xiao's stats:
AP: Massively above 454 Megatons, 967.02 Megatons with Bane of All Evil, 1.21 Gigatons with Conqueror of Evil: Tamer of Demons, up to 1.75 Gigatons with Dissolution Eon: Heaven Fall
Durability: Massively above 454 Megatons, 908 Megatons with Transcension: Extinction of Suffering
Speed: Massively above 857.37 m/s, higher with Lemniscatic Wind Cycling
pretty sure Xiao wins here
Xiao massively upscales from all of the stats on his page, especially speed
Xiao is significantly stronger than Shenhe who has the 454 Megaton feat, and he's faster to an even higher degree than Yelan who is already faster than Argus. Argus will have trouble landing any significant blows
The biggest problem for Argus is the fact that his Unholy Manipulation will backfire immensely since Xiao gets permanent Bane of All Evil + healing per hit in the presence of "divine karma" which is just evil god energy, which is what Unholy Manipulation is. Xiao would simply outlast Argus since he's stronger with all of his multipliers meaning his attacks will deal more damage, his defense is higher once Xiao takes enough damage, and his speed makes Xiao outpace Argus at every opportunity, although it's likely not a blitz
Argus could slow down Xiao by 40% with his Demonic Grip but Xiao already outpaces him to such an extent that he's likely to miss, and even if it hits, it won't be enough to kill Xiao especially with Transcension: Extinction of Suffering doubling his durability.
Argus might not be able to die, but if we use game mechanics, that ability only lasts 3 seconds, and if we use lore mechanics, Argus has enough stamina to fight demons for several days without rest, while Xiao has enough stamina to fight demons for several thousand years without rest AND being constantly eaten at by his karma. Xiao should outlast here
AP: 545.69 Megatons, likely higher, 1.09 Gigatons, likely higher with Warmonger, even higher with Blood Fury
Durability: 545.69 Megatons, likely higher
Speed: 616.35 m/s, 955.34 m/s attack speed with Meteoric Sword
Xiao's stats:
AP: Massively above 454 Megatons, 967.02 Megatons with Bane of All Evil, 1.21 Gigatons with Conqueror of Evil: Tamer of Demons, up to 1.75 Gigatons with Dissolution Eon: Heaven Fall
Durability: Massively above 454 Megatons, 908 Megatons with Transcension: Extinction of Suffering
Speed: Massively above 857.37 m/s, higher with Lemniscatic Wind Cycling
pretty sure Xiao wins here
Xiao massively upscales from all of the stats on his page, especially speed
Xiao is significantly stronger than Shenhe who has the 454 Megaton feat, and he's faster to an even higher degree than Yelan who is already faster than Argus. Argus will have trouble landing any significant blows
The biggest problem for Argus is the fact that his Unholy Manipulation will backfire immensely since Xiao gets permanent Bane of All Evil + healing per hit in the presence of "divine karma" which is just evil god energy, which is what Unholy Manipulation is. Xiao would simply outlast Argus since he's stronger with all of his multipliers meaning his attacks will deal more damage, his defense is higher once Xiao takes enough damage, and his speed makes Xiao outpace Argus at every opportunity, although it's likely not a blitz
Argus could slow down Xiao by 40% with his Demonic Grip but Xiao already outpaces him to such an extent that he's likely to miss, and even if it hits, it won't be enough to kill Xiao especially with Transcension: Extinction of Suffering doubling his durability.
Argus might not be able to die, but if we use game mechanics, that ability only lasts 3 seconds, and if we use lore mechanics, Argus has enough stamina to fight demons for several days without rest, while Xiao has enough stamina to fight demons for several thousand years without rest AND being constantly eaten at by his karma. Xiao should outlast here
Harry_Ackerman_6969
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Yeah the whole “higher than etc etc” just looks a bit too vague so I just thought that it’s just on the same tier just vaguely higher since iirc other verse on this wiki does that too
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for Xiao's AP, he's unquantifiably stronger than Shenhe and that's kinda all we got going for him. All we know is that he'd stomp Shenhe in-verse but that's not specific enough
For Xiao's speed, he upscales from Yelan who's 7B so he should outpace her and by extension Argus by a similarly massive amount
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Xiao is not stomping Shenhe
In fact both were sure of fighting the same God Wife, they are closer than people think
Anyways vote for Xiao FRA
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Argus page is absolutelly outdated. However, using game mechanics here is non-sense and too vague to be used. In MLA's own game mechanics, Argus's immortality time can be upgraded to 8 seconds, showing that this time durition is just to make the game fair, not applies to lores.
Even if it is not in the profile, Argus should scale to Zhask's travel speed due both being said to be very close enemies, and since Zhask is someone who always changes position (He was travelling across planes when fighting with Yve) while Argus is someone who will never stop untill he kills his target, it would be at least consinstent at a level. Argus would speedblitz before getting sealed.
Also just reminding, Argus can at least boost himself to 270% with his sword, the sword itself also decreases durability of anyone it touches by %20. And extrafully, he can boost these attacks with %120 if he charges his attack. We don't need to mention other power boost he got, because ATP if Argus ever lands a critical damage it is over. Argus stomps hard.
Even if it is not in the profile, Argus should scale to Zhask's travel speed due both being said to be very close enemies, and since Zhask is someone who always changes position (He was travelling across planes when fighting with Yve) while Argus is someone who will never stop untill he kills his target, it would be at least consinstent at a level. Argus would speedblitz before getting sealed.
Also just reminding, Argus can at least boost himself to 270% with his sword, the sword itself also decreases durability of anyone it touches by %20. And extrafully, he can boost these attacks with %120 if he charges his attack. We don't need to mention other power boost he got, because ATP if Argus ever lands a critical damage it is over. Argus stomps hard.
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I mean this is a problem of the supporters not updating the pages tbh, u can't expect that we take things which are non in profile
Otherwise Xiao would get upgraded to Island lvl, Class G and High Hypersonic
SuperNunnas
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If so, then nevermind speed argument, then.
Well, then Argus' only wincon is here then wanting some blessing from the God of Destruction to power up himself. God of Destruction governs "destruction" itself. Does Xiao have any answer to this CM type 2?
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not on his profile as far as I can see. Can you specify what this is?
Xiao also gets empowerment and healing when in the presence of evil gods or their auras so I assumed this would backfire on Argus tremendously
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It is battle applicable? + again Profile doesnt mention Conceptual Manipulation at all
SuperNunnas
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Well, he got blessing on his profile. It is not explained on profile, but still on profile.
Argus' case is that his unholy manipulation is about having powers of chaos and abyss/darkness that is opposite of power of order and light, and so Rafael's holy manip etc doesn't work on him, so that is why it is index as unholy manip. Argus is not a evil god nor he is evil, nor he carries an evil aura (maybe just darkness), he simply got corrupted by the abyss and became the Fallen Angel.
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pretty sure Unholy Manipulation is the exact thing that gives Xiao the buffs. Being empowered by an evil god/dark god should qualify for this
SuperNunnas
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It is.
"possessed such a monumental power"
https://mobile-legends.fandom.com/wiki/Argus#:~:text=possessed such a monumental power
The God of Destruction himself granted Argus a whole power.
The profile mentions the name of power but the section, basically justification of it is non-existent. But still, he posses the said power.
SuperNunnas
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Being a god of destruction doesn't make you evil, nor working for Lord of Darkness makes you evil. He was an angel of light before getting corrupted. He is still an angel, but now with powers of chaos rather than order. I mean arguing that every type of unholy manip buffing Xiao is a NLF.
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this is literally the most basic barebones version of Unholy Manipulation I've ever seen. He doesn't gain anything special, nor is it that much different than the karma that exists in Genshin Impact
Argus is evil. Arguing that he's not is genuinely absurd
Little did he know that the reason his blade possessed such a monumental power, the reason it imparted those lost memories to him, was because it was cursed by the God of Destruction: Cyd. His mind was tainted by this malevolent curse, awakening within him a cruel brutality. Argus was driven by his own rage.
It seemed to her that Argus had, for reasons unknown, lost himself to the darkness, welcomed its embrace. Countless humans had been slaughtered by his hand. Despite all of this. He was still her flesh and blood, her brother: and she couldn’t bear to raise her sword against him
doesn't really matter if it's kind of mind control or mind corruption, he's still evil. Cyd is also blatantly evil and his curse is called malevolent
karma also doesn't only come from only evil gods. It comes out from any god with hatred and power, of which Argus has both. He's empowered by Cyd, a god with malevolence, power, and hatred. This qualifies for the buff
Xiao has several offensive buffs of his own, as well as a means of increasing his own durability, of which Argus does not. On top of this, he outspeeds Argus by a very large margin, and due to Argus's Unholy manipulation, Xiao gets what is basically phys vamp on all of his attacks, which already significantly outscale Argus's durability. Argus can't do anything here
SuperNunnas
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You absolutelly ignored that the fact that Argus driven into that mindset by curse of the god, and he lost himself and became acting in wrath. This is like saying everyone loses control when they are mad, so having ability to being mad makes you auto evil.
Even if we agree that the god that powers up Argus is evil, it resides in the realm of gods. Unless Xiao has some power to sense the evilness from the god across realms, I don't think it would trigger his power.
Even if he triggers his power, he still have no answer to Argus blessing.
About the buffs, sure he is faster but all those damages are nothing if he can't bypass Immortality bestowed from the God of Destruction. God doesn't let Argus be "destroyed" hence why Argus immune to death or destruction when he draws his sword.
SuperNunnas
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Wait, it is accepted that Argus is High 6-A, likely above Khufra.
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Argus literally one taps if we include his extra damage boost, 40% ignoring defense + 20% decreasing durability of opponents and critical hits and extra critical damage boost.
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Some upgrades for MLBB Verse. 1. Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (or Type 1) for Unique God: Unique God created the Land of Dawn using Order and Chaos. In Part II Chapter IV, Twilight Origins "She dreamed of the unique god, that he made a world of order and chaos. She couldn’t see the face of...
Argus literally one taps if we include his extra damage boost, 40% ignoring defense + 20% decreasing durability of opponents and critical hits and extra critical damage boost.
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ok well if he's High 6A then he stomps yeah, this should be closedWait, it is accepted that Argus is High 6-A, likely above Khufra.
Mobile Legends Upgrades
Some upgrades for MLBB Verse. 1. Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (or Type 1) for Unique God: Unique God created the Land of Dawn using Order and Chaos. In Part II Chapter IV, Twilight Origins "She dreamed of the unique god, that he made a world of order and chaos. She couldn’t see the face of...
Argus literally one taps if we include his extra damage boost, 40% ignoring defense + 20% decreasing durability of opponents and critical hits and extra critical damage boost.
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Argus isn't being mind controlled, he was shown the truth of his birth or whatever and has done bad things like kill innocents and overall is an evil person after learning the truth.
it's also not his power, it's Cyd's, so his own personality wouldn't really be a factor for this
Xiao gets powered up in the presence of an evil god's power, not the presence of the evil god themselves. Xiao's feat is him getting powered up by what is basically the byproduct emotions of gods who are already dead, so Cyd's physical presence isn't necessary
what exactly does this entail? Argus simply gets power from Cyd. This doesn't provide any notable hax or anything. "Blessing" is the most vague term in the world. You need to explain what exactly this provides (besides power which we've discussed already) and how it helps
Argus doesn't have infinite stamina, so I assumed that Xiao could outlast due to having better stamina feats
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Dude, i mean vs wiki profile, why u linking another fandom?
Its just him using his mask (which he even uses to jump low tiers) so yeah in character he would most likely use it to begin and since the empowerment its a passive dependent of enviroment, then yeah, Xiao getting the possible buffs
It wasn't accepted, for a threath to be accepted u need 2 moderators accepting it, there no sight of a moderator even agreeing to this threath, on top of that the threath was closed and is 2 years old, meaning a lot of things could had happend such as a downgrade
SuperNunnas
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Sorry for wasting your time, man. I could have check the CRTs before arguing. Anyways, Argus wins.
SuperNunnas
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The thread is old and was closed. The verse is very unpopular, and when a mod do close CRT, they do mention it if it is not accepted or etc. However, this CRT was closed when some dudes agreed with the CRT and demanded it to be closed. It is clear as day that the CRT is accepted.Dude, i mean vs wiki profile, why u linking another fandom?
Its just him using his mask (which he even uses to jump low tiers) so yeah in character he would most likely use it to begin and since the empowerment its a passive dependent of enviroment, then yeah, Xiao getting the possible buffs
It wasn't accepted, for a threath to be accepted u need 2 moderators accepting it, there no sight of a moderator even agreeing to this threath, on top of that the threath was closed and is 2 years old, meaning a lot of things could had happend such as a downgrade
About downgrade... Buddy, don't commit appeal to possibility. The verse doesn't even have active supporter or a attacker. What you are saying is out of the table.
Buddy, I already told you that the page doesn't have justification about it. I didn't show you some information made by some fandom member, but full story of Argus in the wiki.
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If its just 2 random users it doesnt get pass as accepted, it needs the output of 2 threath moderators
It was not accepted, unless u can proof 2 moderators actually agree (not to mention in the span of 2 years there could had been a threath downgrading Argus, so yeah it doesn't hold)
But we are comparing the 2 profiles in this wiki, if a profile its outdated it's the supporters fault for not making enough crts/not updating the pages, if we go for "well its actually X story but since my verse hasn't been updated" i can bring 20 Gigatons, Class G Xiao to kinda win
SuperNunnas
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You just repeated yourself in a format of demanding proof without rebutting the fact that the CRT was closed. Why would any mod would close it for nothing without mentioning anything? You are not debunking the fact it was closed after an agreement. So it counts.
Your case is irrelevant here. If you have a CRT that is accepted but is not applied, sure show that to here because it will count as long as the CRT's agreement is older than this thread. But if it is about your own whatever thinking... Well, you don't have to argue with me much. After all, I am not here to make you change your opinion, and it seems I can't because you seem to have have an absolute belief about your ideas.
Anyways, we can at worst ask this to mod if it counts or not but 'till then, my vote is to Argus.
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The guy's right, though. At minimum, you need two staff approvals, and three if the proposed changes are particularly controversial, such as high tier (like Tier 1) revisions or fundamental haxes like Conceptual Manipulation, Plot Manipulation, and similar abilities.
Not trying to be rude, but you can always look this stuff up instead of blindly believing whatever gets passed around. All I'm saying is, you should read the site's rules before being certain about something. As for the rule I mentioned, you can read it here.
SuperNunnas
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I am sorry if my replies showed me as a ignorant person or anything like that. What you said is not rude, but I am still thank you for saying it.
However, in this case we have an unknowable thread closing right after a agreement of some members, I assuming they were the supports at that time. I know that we must see two thread mod agreement on thread, so ATP, we can ask for a mod to clarify things. Or else, I will re-search their message walls to see if this is handled in message walls due being being a very non-popular verse.
Jepilstiltskin
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Looking back at the CRT, there doesn't even seem to be any actual agreement from the members to begin with. There are only two people commenting: one is asking for clarification, while the other is discussing a separate point. Neither of those constitutes agreement.
A CRT being closed can happen for a variety of reasons. For example, the OP might simply put a request in this page, asking for it to be closed. That doesn't automatically mean the moderators agreed with the proposal. If the staff actually agree with a CRT, they have a much more straightforward way of showing it... they comment on the CRT itself.
In any case, it doesn't change the fact that you still need two staff approvals for a CRTs to be accepted. You can't have it any other way, two staff approvals is the standard.
SuperNunnas
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I will not want to deep about this, so I will concede.
Well, I can't really argue for Argus due his page being ancient than the concept of "outdate", so I guess Xiao stomps.
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