Downgrading Killer Peter once again and debunking some calcs

[RetroBtw773yam]

I don't get what you are trying to say?

Both will use a timeframe of 0.1s

Yuna debatably have 0.08s or even D-rank brothers could use that timeframe but we are using 0.1s as somewhat of a safe end.
Doesn't really change the calculation regardless of which observer we are using.

What are you trying to say? Going by your words then are you perhaps trying to invalidate the supersonic calc?

No I'm not trying t invalidate the supersonic feat I think were talking pat each other my disagreement has been with the CRT reasoning, not nesessarily the existence of the supersonic result. If the calc intentionally uses 0.1 as a conservative lower bund and that states as a lowball rather the characters actual perception speed then I don't have an issue with that approach.

But what I was objecting to was the claim that Yuna's statement cannot be used because following movement and perceiving movement are different things, yeah they are different but that alone doesn't invalidate the calc the calc doesn't require Yuna to be completely perception blitzed it only requires that the sequence exceeed her ability to contonuously resolve and follow each movement which is exactly what the scene conveys. If the Doko brothers are used instead as the observer while still applying a deliberatleu conservative 0.1 timeframe then that's actually an even safer interpretation then relying only on Yuna.

 

[MVMRainAngel]

1. The Panels doesn't look like it establishes that you said Thaddeus moved to the side first and punch afterwards? That's not what's being shown, what's actually being shown is Kageo throwing a punch and Thaddeus shifting his positioning as he counters it isn't really showing us that the sidestep finished completely, then an entirely separate action just started. Certain counterattack often occur with evasive movement and some fighters can slip a punch while launching a counter they can both be part of the same exchange.

You have to prove that the sidestep and counter are temporarily separate actions youngest asserting that they are isn't enough proof. And if the scene is specifically showing Thaddeus countering Kageo strike then invoking the CLOSE RANGE punch rule requires proving the feat is impossible to interpret as a genuine reaction feat, just because Kagel was able to Thaddeus in the beginning doesn't prove that. Kageo blocked, dodged, and hit Thaddeus OK that's cool but logic doesn't follow characters can relative without being equal and throughout the fight Kageo literally admitted that Thaddeus was way to fast and couldn't even touch Thaddeus. So using Kageo earlier performance against Thaddeus as proof that every exchange must be invalid is not justified.

The timeframe used in this calculation was the distance between Kageo's fists and Thaddeus's eyes divided by Kageo's punching speed. However, in the following panel, Thaddeus slight moved back, meaning that the timeframe had ended because Kageo's arms had traveled farther than the original distance between his fists and Thaddeus's eyes.

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[RetroBtw773yam]

The timeframe used in this calculation was the distance between Kageo's fists and Thaddeus's eyes divided by Kageo's punching speed. However, in the following panel, Thaddeus slight moved back, meaning that the timeframe had ended because Kageo's arms had traveled farther than the original distance between his fists and Thaddeus's eyes.

The timeframe ending simply because Kageo fist traveled farther is the next panel is an assumption manga panels don't always represent completely seperate timeframes sometimes they often depict successive moments of the same exchange from different angles. The calc uses the initial distince between Kageo's fist and Thaddeus because that's the moment the counter begins, but the next panel shows the continuation of that interaction it isn't really proof that an entirely new reaction had started. You would have to first demonstrate that Thaddeus completed his evasive movement and that the initiated completely seperate counterattack afterward the art work really doesn't establish that sequence. So saying the timeframe ended isn't something demonstrated by the panel it's a interpretation since both interpretations are plausible you can't dismiss the calc on that basis

 

[Aksh_sky]

The timeframe ending simply because Kageo fist traveled farther is the next panel is an assumption manga panels don't always represent completely seperate timeframes sometimes they often depict successive moments of the same exchange from different angles. The calc uses the initial distince between Kageo's fist and Thaddeus because that's the moment the counter begins, but the next panel shows the continuation of that interaction it isn't really proof that an entirely new reaction had started. You would have to first demonstrate that Thaddeus completed his evasive movement and that the initiated completely seperate counterattack afterward the art work really doesn't establish that sequence. So saying the timeframe ended isn't something demonstrated by the panel it's a interpretation since both interpretations are plausible you can't dismiss the calc on that basis

If u dk how calculations work then I'll request you to leave making comments about calcs, something you seemingly aren't knowledgeable about and instead leave it for the CGMs. Cuz what u said is literally just baseless yapping, like i don't want to act rude or something but ur genuinely saying ANYTHING atp.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

If u dk how calculations work then I'll request you to leave making comments about calcs, something you seemingly aren't knowledgeable of and instead leave it for CGMs.

If I misunderstand a calculation then explain where my reasoning is incorrect I'm not claiming to be a calculation expert that precisely why I'm asking questions and discussing the methodology

 

[Aksh_sky]

If I misunderstand a calculation then explain where my reasoning is incorrect I'm not claiming to be a calculation expert that precisely why I'm asking questions and discussing the methodology

It's pretty simple, I've already explained it in the OP but I'll retstate again about the Kageo calc.

So basically the calc assumes that Kageo's fist was a certain distance away from Thaddeus's face and he calced Thaddeus landing all attacks before his punch covered that certain distance so according to the calcer, that means that Thaddeus landed all those attacks before the timframe of his punch covering that distance, but then we clearly see that his punch clearly covered wayy more distance that was calced and was assumed that he landed those attacks before his punch covered those distance, but since it covered wayy more distance then that means the timeframe was already over way before Thaddeus punched Kageo a certain amount of time, thus this calc won't work. I hope u understand now.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

It's pretty simple, I've already explained it in the OP but I'll retstate again about the Kageo calc.

So basically the calc assumes that Kageo's fist was a certain distance away from Thaddeus's face and he calced Thaddeus landing all attacks before his punch covered that certain distance so according to the calcer, that means that Thaddeus landed all those attacks before the timframe of his punch covering that distance, but then we clearly see that his punch clearly covered wayy more distance that was calced and was assumed that he landed those attacks before his punch covered those distance, but since it covered wayy more distance then that means the timeframe was already over way before Thaddeus punched Kageo a certain amount of time, thus this calc won't work. I hope u understand now.

I understand your point now, but I still don't think it necessarily invalidates the calc your argument kinda assumes that because Kageo punch travels father in the following panel the original reaction timeframe must have completely ended before Thaddeus began his counter, but I don't see that being demonstroted by the art work cause the next panel showing Kageo's arm father extended only tells us that the exchange continued it doesn't automatically prove that Thaddeus finished reacting waiting for the original timeframe to end and started a completely seperate attack sequence. The calc is based on the initial movement when Kageo's punch enters Thaddeus's striking range and the following panel can just as reasonbly be interpreted as the continuation of that same exact exchange.

Just to clarify I feel like it's better to establish three things first that the reaction window ended, Thaddeus had completed all of his movements after the window ended and that his counterattack only began after the punch had already traveled beyond the calculated distance. I agree your interpretation is possible but that isn't enough to invalidate the calc, at most you've shown the exact reconstruction can be debated but you haven't demonstrated that the original reconstruction is possible

 

[Aksh_sky]

I understand your point now, but I still don't think it necessarily invalidates the calc

It does invalidates the calc and I've already explained it why and i don't want to attend your random nonsense so I'd rather not reply and wait for CGM to check.

your argument kinda assumes that because Kageo punch travels father in the following panel the original reaction timeframe must have completely ended before

I was about to not reply but just to teach you calc 101 then imma tell u that the calc has absolutely nothing to do with reaction time and neither does my arguements assumes anything, it's shown in the panel nly. Anyways that'll be it.

 

[MVMRainAngel]

If I misunderstand a calculation then explain where my reasoning is incorrect I'm not claiming to be a calculation expert that precisely why I'm asking questions and discussing the methodology

The distance between Kageo's fist and Thaddeus' eye must not change or the timeframe will be wrong. Thaddeus's step back and use is the distance that Thaddeus counterattacks while the timeframe has actually ended. The calculation should use the minimum distance that Thaddeus must move to dodge the punch while the distance between Kageo's fist and Thaddeus' eye remains the same because the timeframe is not yet finished and usable. Maybe my explanation is quite confusing, but I have a few calculations for you to easily visualize. The calculation is only correct when the character does not leave the position and the timeframe has not actually ended like this calculation or this calculation. These calculations are wrong when the character has left the intial position and the distance used to make the timeframe is like this calculation or this calculation.

 

[Aksh_sky]

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[Grand_Astartes]

The overall reasoning seems to make sense

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

The overall reasoning seems to make sense

I don't have to say anything against the calcs but the scaling part uses unofficial translation sources to limit the speed.
You should read my earlier replies.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I don't have to say anything against the calcs but the scaling part uses unofficial translation sources to limit the speed.
You should read my earlier replies.

Lol if you have nothing to say for this then I don't see any points in replying as it's just possible for them to track the conversation to know what's the case rather than them have to hear about a random person's premise as if that negates the premise.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Lol if you have nothing to say for this then I don't see any points in replying as it's just possible for them to track the conversation to know what's the case rather than them have to hear about a random person's premise as if that negates the premise.

you are using the wrong translation for the verse to mislead and I have pointed out why the scaling you used is very flawed.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

I think it's right to close the the thread before this escalates any further

 

[Aksh_sky]

you are using the wrong translation for the verse to mislead and I have pointed out why the scaling you used is very flawed.

Ok? All these points have already been discussed. I don't see any reason for you to bring this up and showcasing it as if my whole OP is based on fake scans to push my agenda or something. If anyone is agreeing on this then they're expected to read through all these.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I think it's right to close the the thread before this escalates any further

? What no. This isn't getting closed unless a mod sees.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

? What no. This isn't getting closed unless a mod sees.

Then get a mod in here

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Ok? All these points have already been discussed. I don't see any reason for you to bring this up and showcasing it as if my whole OP is based on fake scans to push my agenda or something. If anyone is agreeing on this then they're expected to read through all these.

Yes, all these points have been discussed enough to rule your arguments out.
The OP was never really bright as I am going to be honest with you.
Some people might only pass a glance and not read everything.
Why did you even choose the wrong translations? that to when you knew they were wrong as you have knowledge of Korean.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Yes, all these points have been discussed enough to rule your arguments out.
The OP was never really bright as I am going to be honest with you.
Some people might only pass a glance and not read everything.
Why did you even choose the wrong translations? that to when you knew they were wrong as you have knowledge of Korean.

I've already answered these questions and i don't feel like i have to go through these again. I haven't read KP from raws when that chapter first came out, simple as that.

Anyways I'll wait for a mod, regardless tho, i already said that the translation doens't change much context and neither do i wanna get through these again.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Seems fine by calculation side and as for narrative 256 kmph is also kinda iffy for apostles since that's for Thaddeus with that technique and Skadi thought that was inhumane for humans, if apostle level character thinks that 256 kmph is inhumane and life threatening, I don't think they should have scaling to Thaddeus's speed as reaction speed too, they might have percep speed but reaction is way too iffy since we statements of apostles barely able to reacting to his speed

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Seems fine by calculation side and as for narrative 256 kmph is also kinda iffy for apostles since that's for Thaddeus with that technique and Skadi thought that was inhumane for humans, if apostle level character thinks that 256 kmph is inhumane and life threatening, I don't think they should have scaling to Thaddeus's speed as reaction speed too, they might have percep speed but reaction is way too iffy since we statements of apostles barely able to reacting to his speed

We translated the raws and also used webtoons.
The statement for Skadi saying inhumane speed turned out to be wrong.
Skadi only said the balance that Thaddeus had on ice was inhumane.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

We translated the raws and also used webtoons.
The statement for Skadi saying inhumane speed turned out to be wrong.
Skadi only said the balance that Thaddeus had on ice was inhumane.

Yeah but the big contradiction is still standing. She wasn't able to react to his 256 kmph speed. If she really had C/S above that limit, she could have at least dodged or tried to move out of the way. Yet she was still standing and acted as if 256 kmph was some monstrous speed or something, which kinda proves it. I mean, she wasn't even looking at Thaddeus when he was circling around her on ice. So yeah, even if it was T/S or statement was about his balance on Ice, I don't think it really matters that much when Skadi herself was barely reacting to that speed.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Yeah but the big contradiction is still standing. She wasn't able to react to his 256 kmph speed. If she really had C/S above that limit, she could have at least dodged or tried to move out of the way. Yet she was still standing and acted as if 256 kmph was some monstrous speed or something, which kinda proves it. I mean, she wasn't even looking at Thaddeus when he was circling around her on ice. So yeah, even if it was T/S or statement was about his balance on Ice, I don't think it really matters that much when Skadi herself was barely reacting to that speed.

Skadi was able to drop a complete monologue on her head.
This defies the reaction blitz.

Also, she would need to have higher T speed to outrun thaddues and to block or dodge would need more C/ R speed which she both doesn't have either.

What do you mean by reacting? She was able to say that Thaddeus had inhumane balance and give statements.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Skadi was able to drop a complete monologue on her head.
This defies the reaction blitz.

That's just her perception speed, not reaction speed. She couldn't even move when Thaddeus dashed at her.

Also, she would need to have higher T speed to outrun thaddues and to block or dodge would need more C/ R speed which she both doesn't have either.

I'm not even talking about outrunning Thaddeus. I'm saying if her body had a reaction speed of 256 kmph, she would have moved or even blocked it, like how Kageo blocked Thaddeus's strike. If Thaddeus's travel speed is 256 kmph and Skadi had the same reaction speed, she knew Thaddeus was coming at her meaning he is going to attack her and she knew this guy is much faster then she could have taken a guard stance to tackle strike or moved out of Thaddeus's way, but she didn't. She got blitzed, meaning her reaction speed is below 256 kmph.

Why do you think I added this statement in my Initial reply?

I don't think they should have scaling to Thaddeus's speed as reaction speed too, they might have percep speed

What do you mean by reacting? She was able to say that Thaddeus had inhumane balance and give statements

Again, that's perception speed. I can see a truck coming at me, but my body isn't going to react at the same speed to dodge it cause if I had I would have just moved out of the way by side side stepping but I can't. It's the same with Skadi. She can perceive and process information at that speed, but she wasn't reacting to it. Her body wasn't able to react to Thaddeus's travel speed

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

That's just her perception speed, not reaction speed. She couldn't even move when Thaddeus dashed at her.

I'm not even talking about outrunning Thaddeus. I'm saying if her body had a reaction speed of 256 kmph, she would have moved or even blocked it, like how Kageo blocked Thaddeus's strike. If Thaddeus's travel speed is 256 kmph and Skadi had the same reaction speed, she knew Thaddeus was coming at her meaning he is going to attack her and she knew this guy is much faster then she could have taken a guard stance to tackle strike or moved out of Thaddeus's way, but she didn't. She got blitzed, meaning her reaction speed is below 256 kmph.

Why do you think I added this statement in my Initial reply?



Again, that's perception speed. I can see a truck coming at me, but my body isn't going to react at the same speed to dodge it cause if I had I would have just moved out of the way by side side stepping but I can't. It's the same with Skadi. She can perceive and process information at that speed, but she wasn't reacting to it. Her body wasn't able to react to Thaddeus's travel speed

You are only partially correct only.
Using your example. If I saw a truck coming at me and I say " it's a truck" that is perception but she was able to explain it and all, the difference is there .

Let's consider your points.
Even if she had a speed above 256 km/hr but since Thaddeus is above that margin by alot then it would be useless because
She still can't dodge it no matter what even if she moved out of the way as she would get blitzed by the combat speed at the close range and cannot realistically avoid CQC distance with a lower travel speed.
It would only mean that her travel is lower then Thaddeus.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

You are only partially correct only.
Using your example. If I saw a truck coming at me and I say " it's a truck" that is perception but she was able to explain it and all, the difference is there

What are you talking about? She explained that first when he was circling her, then got struck by a barrage of attacks. Yeah, I can perceive and think when a truck is circling around me, but the moment it comes at me I can't react and get run over. So yeah, I'm not partially correct, I covered that side too.
Because if she was explaining in the middle of getting hit then yeah and she did some action to cover her body or even attempt to do cover, we could take your words as a possibility. But it's really not that case in this panel.

Let's consider your points.
Even if she had a speed above 256 km/hr but since Thaddeus is above that margin by alot then it would be useless because
She still can't dodge it no matter what even if she moved out of the way as she would get blitzed by the combat speed at the close range and cannot realistically avoid CQC distance with a lower travel speed.
It would only mean that her travel is lower then Thaddeus

Why did you ignore my other point? Like I said, she could have gotten into a guard stance to protect herself. Kageo did that against 100 strikes, despite being slower than Thaddeus, yet he was able to take a stance. That means his reaction speed can react to Thaddeus's attack speed. But it's not the case with Skadi. She just literally stayed there without doing anything. If she had 256 kmph reaction speed and she knew that Thaddeus was coming towards her to strike, and it was clear he was pretty much faster than her, she could have tried to block or take a guard stance to at least reduce the damage which even amateur tier fighters do and Skadi is literally heavens above them so her not even taking guard stance or even attempt to avoid is very questionable for someone who has reaction speed of 256 kmph. Yet she didn't. The only thing this proves is that her reaction speed is slower than 256 kmph.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

What are you talking about? She explained that first when he was circling her, then got struck by a barrage of attacks. Yeah, I can perceive and think when a truck is circling around me, but the moment it comes at me I can't react and get run over. So yeah, I'm not partially correct, I covered that side too.
Because if she was explaining in the middle of getting hit then yeah and she did some action to cover her body or even attempt to do cover, we could take your words as a possibility. But it's really not that case in this panel.


Why did you ignore my other point? Like I said, she could have gotten into a guard stance to protect herself. Kageo did that against 100 strikes, despite being slower than Thaddeus, yet he was able to take a stance. That means his reaction speed can react to Thaddeus's attack speed. But it's not the case with Skadi. She just literally stayed there without doing anything. If she had 256 kmph reaction speed and she knew that Thaddeus was coming towards her to strike, and it was clear he was pretty much faster than her, she could have tried to block or take a guard stance to at least reduce the damage which even amateur tier fighters Skadi is literally skilled Fighter. Yet she didn't. The only thing this proves is that her reaction speed is slower than 256 kmph.

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What would you favor more in a fight? To not get hit at all or get hit even if it is a little.
She could have tried to sidestep or dodge aswell but that obviously thaddues had all types of speed advantage on her.
Your argueements are based on speculations aswell.

Skadi herself admitted that Thaddeus would have completely torn her body to pieces which would mean that putting up a guard would be a bad idea aswell.
It doesn't really hold up to say that throwing a guard is the only way.
Could be anything but for skadi to pull a guard would not make sense because at last she knows herself that her body would get destroyed. A fighter at her level doesn't really throw out demotivating monologue to herself if she had a chance to take it by putting up a guard.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

What would you favor more in a fight? To not get hit at all or get hit even if it is a little.
She could have tried to sidestep or dodge aswell but that obviously thaddues had all types of speed advantage on her.
Your argueements are based on speculations aswell.

Nope. If she had reaction speed of 256, she could have shown anything, which she didn't. So my argument is based on what was shown on panels, not "what ifs." "She could have tried to sidestep or dodge as well, but obviously Thaddeus had all types of speed advantage on her." Do you have any evidence to prove that she tried to dodge, block, or physically do anything to avoid Thaddeus? Even if she got hit, it doesn't matter. I just want you to see where she was physically able to react to that speed.

Skadi herself admitted that Thaddeus would have completely torn her body to pieces which would mean that putting up a guard would be a bad idea aswell.
It doesn't really hold up to say that throwing a guard is the only way.
Could be anything but for skadi to pull a guard would not make sense because at last she knows herself that her body would get destroyed. A fighter at her level doesn't really throw out demotivating monologue to herself if she had a chance to take it by putting up a guard.

Again, "her body getting torn apart in parts" is a hyperbolic statement, because her body was pretty much intact. If we take that statement seriously, it would mean Thaddeus slowed down his technique's speed to lower than 256 kmph, because 256 kmph was going to rip her apart, but her body was still intact. So tell me, why is Thaddeus's attack speed slower than his travel speed? Does it make sense to you Cause not her blocking attacks doesn't make sense either when attacks were blunt strike not even blade or slashing to make exception

Idk what you're still arguing about. You were wrong about perception speed being reaction speed, you were wrong about that explanation thing. Your current argument is based on "what ifs" without any evidence and you are calling my argument being speculative when I am just using what is shown on panels

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Nope. If she had reaction speed of 256, she could have shown anything, which she didn't. So my argument is based on what was shown on panels, not "what ifs." "She could have tried to sidestep or dodge as well, but obviously Thaddeus had all types of speed advantage on her." Do you have any evidence to prove that she tried to dodge, block, or physically do anything to avoid Thaddeus? Even if she got hit, it doesn't matter. I just want you to see where she was physically able to react to that speed.

Again, "her body getting torn apart in parts" is a hyperbolic statement, because her body was pretty much intact. If we take that statement seriously, it would mean Thaddeus slowed down his technique's speed to lower than 256 kmph, because 256 kmph was going to rip her apart, but her body was still intact. So tell me, why is Thaddeus's attack speed slower than his travel speed? Does it make sense to you Cause not e her blocking attacks doesn't make sense either

Idk what you're still arguing about. You were wrong about perception speed being reaction speed, you were wrong about that explanation thing. Your current argument is based on "what ifs" without any evidence and you are calling my argument being speculative when I am just using what is shown on panels

Respectfully saying try to understand my points better.
I gave the logical answer


I am aware it is an hyperbole but I never intended for you to take it literally.
It was there to show that it CAN really cause severe damage to her body which cannot be ignored as both supported by statement and the outcome .

Example.
If a hammer were about to hit you then would you think " I should block it" or " I should dodge it"

We see her body was about to twist after the hit and skadi knows her limits. You avoided my crucial point here as if skadi knows that it is very fatal then why would her best answer be to block ?
If n attacks that can do that then guarding it wouldn't be the safest option.

She couldn't avoid, or dodge is because everything regarding her speed is below thaddues.

Looking at the panel again, Thaddeus definitely didn't hit her once just look that the white lines .

Also skadi was in air. She could have attempted an escape but failed since you know why as I already explained it.

What part of your argument makes it believe that you are not using speculations aswell?

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Respectfully saying try to understand my points better.
I gave the logical answer

Yeah I will try just don't use what ifs

I am aware it is an hyperbole but I never intended for you to take it literally.
It was there to show that it CAN really cause severe damage to her body which cannot be ignored as both supported by statement and the outcome .

Yeah, that's why blocking makes more sense.
Not even the instinct to cover her head like a normal human blocking their head in a situation of danger, which is reaction speed.
Yet she didn't do that, which only makes me believe she doesn't have reaction speed.

Example.
If a hammer were about to hit you then would you think " I should block it" or " I should dodge it"

Well, a hammer is faster than me and I know I can't easily dodge or escape, yet I have the reaction speed to at least move, so I would block it to reduce the damage. That's the basics of any combat. Your argument is literally saying, "Oh, if a bullet is going to hit me, why should I cover my vital points? Even if I have reaction speed, not just perceive the bullet, but my body can react to it as well. If I'm an experienced fighter, knowing blocking would reduce the damage going through my torso or head, I would cover vital points and organs." That's what your argument sounds like, which doesn't really make sense. So you're telling me Skadi doesn't have the basic human sense to block attacks that are lethal, despite her being able to react and see that thing is coming at her?

We see her body was about to twist after the hit and skadi knows her limits. You avoided my crucial point here as if skadi knows that it is very fatal then why would her best answer be to block ?
If n attacks that can do that then guarding it wouldn't be the safest option.

What are you even talking about? Skadi knew Thaddeus was much faster than her in travel speed, so she knew she had no option of outrunning. And as per your claim, she can react to Thaddeus's travel speed, and she sees him running at her. Even if she can't perceive his combat speed, she can perceive his travel speed. So she saw him coming at her. Anyone who had 256 kmph reaction Aspeed would have blocked or guarded up because that's the best option in that situation, but she didn't, which means she doesn't have reaction speed to even scale to 256 kmph.

Also skadi was in air. She could have attempted an escape but failed since you know why as I already explained it.

Again that happened after she struck if she was in air we could have concluded that but there is no panel indicating that she was in air because of her escape attempt and again this is WHAT IF justification

What part of your argument makes it believe that you are not using speculations aswell?

Let me check.

My argument is based on what is shown on the panel.
My argument has no contradiction to the present. Like retcons that show Skadi being able to react to Thaddeus or speed statements scaling her higher than 256 kmph.
I'm not using "what ifs" to justify my argument.

So yeah, I think it's enough. It's not speculative but more evidence-based, since it's believable without "what ifs."

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Yeah I will try just don't use what ifs

Yeah, that's why blocking makes more sense.
Not even the instinct to cover her head like a normal human blocking their head in a situation of danger, which is reaction speed.
Yet she didn't do that, which only makes me believe she doesn't have reaction speed.

Well, a hammer is faster than me and I know I can't easily dodge or escape, yet I have the reaction speed to at least move, so I would block it to reduce the damage. That's the basics of any combat. Your argument is literally saying, "Oh, if a bullet is going to hit me, why should I cover my vital points? Even if I have reaction speed, not just perceive the bullet, but my body can react to it as well. If I'm an experienced fighter, knowing blocking would reduce the damage going through my torso or head, I would cover vital points and organs." That's what your argument sounds like, which doesn't really make sense. So you're telling me Skadi doesn't have the basic human sense to block attacks that are lethal, despite her being able to react and see that thing is coming at her?


What are you even talking about? Skadi knew Thaddeus was much faster than her in travel speed, so she knew she had no option of outrunning. And as per your claim, she can react to Thaddeus's travel speed, and she sees him running at her. Even if she can't perceive his combat speed, she can perceive his travel speed. So she saw him coming at her. Anyone who had 256 kmph reaction Aspeed would have blocked or guarded up because that's the best option in that situation, but she didn't, which means she doesn't have reaction speed to even scale to 256 kmph.


Again that happened after she struck if she was in air we could have concluded that but there is no panel indicating that she was in air because of her escape attempt and again this is WHAT IF justification

Let me check.

My argument is based on what is shown on the panel.
My argument has no contradiction to the present. Like retcons that show Skadi being able to react to Thaddeus or speed statements scaling her higher than 256 kmph.
I'm not using "what ifs" to justify my argument.

So yeah, I think it's enough. It's not speculative but more evidence-based, since it's believable without "what ifs."

If you are trained enough then you can beat the instinct to throw a block every time a hit is about to land and can fight according to the situation.

You never gave my points justice.
If skadi knows that the attack can cause a damage on that level and even if it is a hyperbole (which is done to exaggerate s) . We cannot disregard that the attack is going to be fatal and brutal for her body. The first thought would be to "I don't want to get hit by that." Not " I would like to block"

Why would skadi be in air? Give me the reasons. Sometimes the obvious overrides and this is the case.
Anything could have happened here and you have no proof to say otherwise.
If you say what proof do I have ? Skadi is in air and thaddues wouldn't have hit her legs if it was the result of his attack or if she was on her initial position.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

If you are trained enough then you can beat the instinct to throw a block every time a hit is about to land and can fight according to the situation.

Understandable but still doesn't justify not being able to block despite being skilled fighter who has same reaction speed as thaddeus's travel speed

You never gave my points justice.
If skadi knows that the attack can cause a damage on that level and even if it is a hyperbole (which is done to exaggerate s) . We cannot disregard that the attack is going to be fatal and brutal for her body. The first thought would be to "I don't want to get hit by that." Not " I would like to block"

Yeah, but you're just taking one aspect while ignoring my explanation. Skadi knew she wasn't faster than Thaddeus, meaning she had no way to outrun him. So what is her last remaining option? To block and reduce the damage, which is fatal to her body. So what would a normal human do? Block the vital points to reduce the fatality

Why would skadi be in air? Give me the reasons. Sometimes the obvious overrides and this is the case.
Anything could have happened here and you have no proof to say otherwise.
If you say what proof do I have ? Skadi is in air and thaddues wouldn't have hit her legs if it was the result of his attack or if she was on her initial position.

Are we really turning to whataboutism?
Okay, she could have turned in the air by the strikes, because him hitting her legs just shows he is a great martial artist, not that she was trying to escape. And as for evidence, I'm not really using speculation or "what ifs" to justify my argument, which I have done since the beginning of this argument. I'm using panel-based evidence, and here is my evidence So here we see Thaddeus is striking man on his legs just like Skadi and look both of them are airborne,so if we go by your explanation that man was also trying to run away from Thaddeus right? Yeah that's what you said right? But then why is he standing the panel before he got hit? By your explanation Thaddeus striking legs = a opponent is trying to escape/avoid right? Then why is this man still standing? Or you believe that even fodder has reaction speed to escape Thaddeus's strikes?

Next time read my argument before calling me out for having no evidence or being speculative

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Understandable but still doesn't justify not being able to block despite being skilled fighter who has same reaction speed as thaddeus's travel speed

Yeah, but you're just taking one aspect while ignoring my explanation. Skadi knew she wasn't faster than Thaddeus, meaning she had no way to outrun him. So what is her last remaining option? To block and reduce the damage, which is fatal to her body. So what would a normal human do? Block the vital points to reduce the fatality

Are we really turning to whataboutism?
Okay, she could have turned in the air by the strikes, because him hitting her legs just shows he is a great martial artist, not that she was trying to escape. And as for evidence, I'm not really using speculation or "what ifs" to justify my argument, which I have done since the beginning of this argument. I'm using panel-based evidence, and here is my evidence So here we see Thaddeus is striking man on his legs just like Skadi and look both of them are airborne,so if we go by your explanation that man was also trying to run away from Thaddeus right? Yeah that's what you said right? But then why is he standing the panel before he got hit? By your explanation Thaddeus striking legs = a opponent is trying to escape/avoid right? Then why is this man still standing? Or you believe that even fodder has reaction speed to escape Thaddeus's strikes?

Next time read my argument before calling out for having no evidence/speculative

She could have Definitely tried to evade but only after then she realized his speed.

You know that your argument stands on "she had the intent to block" which is not clear and I can say the same aswell she had the intent to dodge the attack somehow. I feel like I have given enough justification for why she would try to dodge rather then block it which makes me wonder that is it me ignoring or the otherway around?

I am baffled currently. Why do you think using two different panels with completely different context would give the similar implications.
Thaddues uses his leg against the B-Rank which grant thaddues a better reach for all the parts of the B-Ranks body where as you cannot physically aim the the head, legs and other parts with your arm without bending your body which a trained person would avoid. More clearly he would have to bend down to reach her shoe level which I heavily doubt thaddues would do as it is very unnecessary to do that to an opponent who got blitzed by your travel speed.
The only explanation would be that skadi moved but was intersected by Thaddeus having higher travel speed.
Also why would she attempt a block after her arms are looking like these right before the "blitz"

 

[Sigmagoon14]

She could have Definitely tried to evade but only after then she realized his speed.

Not shown not happened, again on what and scaling doesn't work of ifs, it needs evidence

You know that your argument stands on "she had the intent to block" which is not clear and I can say the same aswell she had the intent to dodge the attack somehow. I feel like I have given enough justification for why she would try to dodge rather then block it which makes me wonder that is it me ignoring or the otherway around?

Yeah because you are saying she has reaction speed of 256 kmph but she can't dodge or block someone who is life threatening and wants to ends her with lethal attacks is dashing at same speed, so tell me does this make sense to you? Or my argument where it's just direct if she isn't shown reacting to it means she doesn't have that reaction speed, we are not equal or my argument is based on assumption like yours to say "it's not clear"

I am baffled currently. Why do you think using two different panels with completely different context would give the similar implications.

Yeah I was baffled to when you said hitting on legs = Trying to escape that's why I had to show that panel

Thaddues uses his leg against the B-Rank which grant thaddues a better reach for all the parts of the B-Ranks body where as you cannot physically aim the the head, legs and other parts with your arm without bending your body which a trained person would avoid. More clearly he would have to bend down to reach her shoe level which I heavily doubt thaddues would do as it is very unnecessary to do that to an opponent who got blitzed by your travel speed.

Yeah, Thaddeus hitting an opponent's shoe level is unnecessary. Yeah, then explain This ? We clearly see Thaddeus hitting his ankle. Nuh uh, Thaddeus was on the same level as Philip in a panel earlier, so you can avoid using height difference too and he wasn't even serious in this panel. He got serious afterwards when Philip pulled flare bombs and he was partially deaf. So tell me, was Philip trying to escape Thaddeus too?
Because contextually the situation is similar. Thaddeus is above in speed tiers. Both opponents couldn't land a single hit. Both got hit on ankle level while one is standing and the other is fleeing, on the assumption of yours which has no evidence yet to back up.

The only explanation would be that skadi moved but was intersected by Thaddeus having higher travel speed.
Also why would she attempt a block after her arms are looking like these right before the "blitz"

Are you really nitpicking over special effects?
Okay buddy, by your logic, she shouldn't have working legs either, right? Since those also got "noodled"? But here she is, standing properly. To add to that, we can clearly see her legs moving with that effect below her skate. So yeah, there goes your other argument. It's dismantled, because if her legs got twisted yet they still work, then her arms should too. Also, her arms shouldn't have even stayed still like in this panel it should be dangling if we go by SPECIAL EFFECTS injury of yours. So yeah, her not blocking is because she doesn't have reaction speed of 256 kmph, not because you're assuming her arms were broken is literally staging fire on your own argument by that logic her legs should have broken too, meaning she can't run or escape which you CLAIMED she tried to attempted yet again no evidence to back it up that "was trying to escape"