Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nonynho]

This is talking about a matchup in the wiki I assume, so goodluck making this be the case in the wiki? Genuinely what sort of scaling do u want to give 3F Sukuna? He has narrative sure but we can't index that, his best feat or statement is being stated to be weaker than Jogo (not even top 20 btw) and grievously harming Baby Mahito when he was inexperienced and had just learned a literal day ago how to use his technique correctly and reinforce his body.

Yeah but Hakari should not be 7x 3F - the one-shot gap by our wiki standards - for starters
And 3F has ways to win

So this match wouldn't be illegal by any means

 

[Zabazab]

i think there is no way someone can prove the first one ain't the case and not be on a Fun and Games thread

Gojo didn't instantly use Unlimited Void against 16F Sukuna because he's Evil and Suicidal and Gay (wanted to share a date of death with Geto)

 

[Rodriiogo]

Thinking about how 16F Sukuna has to be a serious threat to Gojo or Gojo is the stupidest ************ in manga history.

16F Sukuna was indeed not a serious threat to Gojo, this is like saying Jogo and Choso also are because they somehow managed to survive Gojo going after them for 20 whole minutes.

Yeah but Hakari should not be 7x 3F - the one-shot gap by our wiki standards - for starters

I am working on the new AP blog for the verse, I can tell you straight up, 7x would already be a dream for 3F Sukuna, hes gonna be even weaker.

And if we go by the current scale its even worse so yea (8-B VS H7-C)

 

[Zabazab]

16F Sukuna was indeed not a serious threat to Gojo, this is like saying Jogo and Choso also are because they somehow managed to survive Gojo escaping them for 20 whole minutes.

Why did Gojo not kill him when he had the chance

 

[Rodriiogo]

Why did Gojo not kill him when he had the chance

(It's also why he didnt go all out against Kenjaku, damaging Geto's body would go against his wishes)

 

[Nonynho]

I am working on the new AP blog for the verse, I can tell you straight up, 7x would already be a dream for 3F Sukuna, hes gonna be even weaker.

And if we go by the current scale its even worse so yea (8-B VS H7-C)

if you're so sure, please tell me something close-to-a-full scaling chain connecting both, to prove such

 

[Sus]

sukuna makes kebab out of hakari

 

[Nonynho]

sukuna makes kebab out of hakari

settle down on if he's getting HWB up or if he understands the game ;-;

 

[Sus]

settle down on if he's getting HWB up or if he understands the game ;-;

i already explained tho

 

[Nonynho]

i already explained tho

ok, now i got what you meant

so you think Sukuna's going to hit Hakari with a cleave or something alike between Jackpots, is that it?

 

[Sus]

ok, now i got what you meant

so you think Sukuna's going to hit Hakari with a cleave or something alike between Jackpots, is that it?

the gojo fight kind of nerfed cleave but yeah, even if u think hakari is so much stronger, his domain is still collapsing near instantly and if he hadn't hit jackpot he will go to burnout

 

[Nonynho]

the gojo fight kind of nerfed cleave but yeah, even if u think hakari is so much stronger, his domain is still collapsing near instantly and if he hadn't hit jackpot he will go to burnout

If @Rodriiogo doesn't provide the scaling chain i asked imma create the thread

 

[Sus]

if the wiki accepts hakari as a one shot gap above then dont, but its bs imo

 

[Nonynho]

if the wiki accepts hakari as a one shot gap above then dont, but its bs imo

1000% agreed

 

[Rodriiogo]

if you're so sure, please tell me something close-to-a-full scaling chain connecting both, to prove such

1. Jogo is stated to be stronger than 3F Sukuna by Gojo, this is consistent as, as I already showed, Jogo is said to match 5F level which is consistent with the "generous estimate" being 8-9 fingers (this just further proves the consistency).
2. Despite this, Jogo would die to the attacks a HOLDING BACK Hanami took.
3. Hanami took a total of 5 Black Flashes, 4 of them being consecutively, which we know is a stacking multiplier for one's base self through Shinjuku, this'd mean Hanami is already 4.5x above Yuji and Todo through multipliers.
4. Todo can fight a 40% Mahito when at 120%, which would mean Mahito is exactly 3x above Todo.
5. Despite this at the school arc, an inexperienced Mahito which is the one Sukuna has scaling to, was already getting pieced up by Nanami and Yuji to near-death.

Through the four points above we already have the chain-scaling for 3F Sukuna is through a Mahito which is at least 3x below the one in Shibuya and 4.5x below Hanami's durability.

From there, as we know Mahito gets AT LEAST 2x tougher with ISBODK, we know its even higher than 2x because its verbatim stated he enhances it FURTHER than the 200% through a binding vow sacrificing his own technique's usage which would make IT WAY higher than 2x. So by that point Mahito's ISBODK is >6x above the best scaling for 3F Sukuna that we can give without headcanon.

From there we are introduced to Yuta who was so strong compared to even Post-Shibuya Yuji that Yuji thought he could handle 15F Sukuna on his own, who despite being this strong, still states that Hakari when in jackpot is stronger than he is.

I could go on how you have stuff to get this even higher like how even JJK0 Yuta can match Special-Grade Geto using Playful cloud which should be at least a 3x amp through not only the 40% Mahito thing I already said but Dagon stating he only needs to focus 30% of his power to handle Nanami yet when enhanced by Playful Cloud, Maki, someone weaker than Nanami can full on put holes in him even when he was blocking or Todo dealing more damage to Hanami with his Playful Cloud strike than Yuji's Black Flashes when already amped (At least 2.5x), despite being weaker than Yuji himself even without those amps. Which, if you think Geto should scale above ISBODK Mahito (obvious but whatev) would already put him >18x above 3F Sukuna's best scaling.

And calculations for feats that 3F Sukuna wouldnt scale to just make this even worse.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I'm not denying that 3F Sukuna might be higher since he obviously doesn't CAP at that mahito's level, but good luck finding any evidence that gets him higher without headcanon and assumptions that never happened, specially when the story pushes that he's weaker than Jogo.

 

[Zabazab]

(It's also why he didnt go all out against Kenjaku, damaging Geto's body would go against his wishes)

So he IS evil and gay. Gojo got himself killed and risked the lives of everyone on earth just to mourn the guy he killed nearly a year ago? What a selfish prick he had 236 coming

 

[Sus]

crine

 

[Rodriiogo]

So he IS evil and gay. Gojo got himself killed and risked the lives of everyone on earth just to mourn the guy he killed nearly a year ago? What a selfish prick he had 236 coming

I mean yea, 236 tells him that as well

 

[Sus]

hear me out

-8f sukuna vs modulo yuji with six eyes

 

[Zabazab]

Gojo is just if Kashimo had some bite to his bark. Practically gave Sukuna the senzu bean. Wanted to die spectacularly at the hands of the only man on earth stronger than him. Insane that NUMEROUS deaths in this manga can be categorized as "Suicide by Sukuna."

 

[Sus]

if you think about it, makora would transform into luffy if he adapted to kashimo

 

[Nonynho]

And calculations for feats that 3F Sukuna wouldnt scale to just make this even worse.

Coherent and well-elaborated

Thank you for the time to build this

 

[Sus]

i personally don't agree with the stacking BF thingy, but as long as it's accepted here then ig yea

 

[Nonynho]

i personally don't agree with the stacking BF thingy, but as long as it's accepted here then ig yea

It may be multiplier-stacking in the view of our mods team
If so, i just create the thread to push my boy's agenda and gg

 

[Sus]

i want to make a mahoraga crt, he is missing a few abilities

 

[Rodriiogo]

i personally don't agree with the stacking BF thingy, but as long as it's accepted here then ig yea

I think the strongest evidence for it is what I used which is Sukuna straight up saying Yuji is climbing to his level through chaining Black Flashes, this'd make no sense if it wasn't a stacked multiplier because then how is he "climbing" to Sukuna's level? The editor note is also that Yuji not only "rivals the king" but surpasses him. I'm of the opinion that it HAS to be a sort of stack through this, this scene would make no sense otherwise.

 

[Sus]

BF does improve ones understanding of CE but i don't think the evidence is strong enough to suggest that its 1.2 of 1.2 of 1.2....

but your scaling chain does make sense overall

 

[Nonynho]

i want to make a mahoraga crt, he is missing a few abilities

i'm eagerly waiting on that

 

[Sus]

i'm eagerly waiting on that

someday it will happen

 

[Sus]

can all characters capable of outputting rct also disable CE based attacks? or is it only round deer

 

[Nonynho]

someday it will happen

hold on

each time you talked about it you sounded like it was actually quite close to ending

how much do you have of it rn???

can all characters capable of outputting rct also disable CE based attacks? or is it only round deer

RCT =/= disabling CE stuff

That's 100% Round Deer, ISoH and Comedian's stuff

 

[Sus]

hold on

each time you talked about it you sounded like it was actually quite close to ending

how much do you have of it rn???

i have most of the points i wanna cover, i just don't have much free time and i spend that little time on other things

i will finish it up tho

RCT =/= disabling CE stuff

That's 100% Round Deer, ISoH and Comedian's stuff

round deer cancelled yorozu's attacks explicitly because of RCT weakening the cursed energy imbued in the liquid metal

i don't see why cant yuta for example replicate this

 

[Nonynho]

i have most of the points i wanna cover, i just don't have much free time and i spend that little time on other things

i will finish it up tho

.> Fair enough

round deer cancelled yorozu's attacks explicitly because of RCT weakening the cursed energy imbued in the liquid metal

Don't you mean Positive Energy?

 

[Sus]

Don't you mean Positive Energy?

what do you think outputting RCT is?

 

[Nonynho]

what do you think outputting RCT is?

From the little i know, you generate positive energy by multiplying negative one

and a technique you do with that is RCT (which is in the name so it's fairly obvious)

So what i think is going on is that Round Deer is emmiting positive energy and with that, screwing up with Yorozu's attack

 

[Sus]

From the little i know, you generate positive energy by multiplying negative one

yea, this process is called RCT

and a technique you do with that is RCT (which is in the name so it's fairly obvious)

RCT is not a technique, it's generating positive energy
which people generally use to heal
some people can output it to heal others and kill curses (namely yuta sukuna makora and shoko)
some people can imbue it with their own CT to reverse its effect (namely gojo kenjaku and dabura)

So what i think is going on is that Round Deer is emmiting positive energy and with that, screwing up with Yorozu's attack

it is emitting positive energy, but its no different than the one yuta and others emit

could yuta not try to mitigate granite blast with rct?

 

[Nonynho]

it is emitting positive energy, but its no different than the one yuta and others emit

could yuta not try to mitigate granite blast with rct?

Maybe it is emitting positive energy like the blade on Makora's arm

That blade is not healing anyone lol

 

[Sus]

Maybe it is emitting positive energy like the blade on Makora's arm

That blade is not healing anyone lol

if its applied to a wound without actually stabbing or cutting the person, it should heal said wound

obviously makora isn't doing allat, he doesn't even use positive energy on non curses

 

[Nonynho]

if its applied to a wound without actually stabbing or cutting the person, it should heal said wound

obviously makora isn't doing allat, he doesn't even use positive energy on non curses

Is anyone being restored by being on the presence of Round Deer the same way the attack got screwed up?