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Sub 5 verses trying to outerversalmaxx vs their humble superior:
This thread intends to upgrade the real world from Re:Creatorsand also intends to be an archetype for all future 1-A upgrades.
Credit to @RM97 and East(idk his username) for help n proofreading
Now to establish superiority in the first place,we first look at what their power is.
(However it is worth it to note that its superiority over storyworlds is already accepted just not the qualitative kind, this is just a little addition)
Furthermore, this ability is irreducible to the worlds it creates as lower beings like meteora and selesia are unable to identify these new qualities they experience and hence call them unique. Given that information is both language and reality and also extends to ALL worlds this shows ontological irreducibility as it is fundamental to all material composites and cannot be expressed using them and also falls short of expressing anything in the real world causing a failure in reduction leading to irreducibility
Now for the jump to outerversal, the series clearly establishes how this superiority is grounded in the essence of the world, and that the Real World has a unique nature relative to the material realm.
As shown through this, their ability to create, which keep in mind IS their superiority, is sustained BY their higher/multi layered essence since all inhabitants have the same level of existence as the world they inhabit. and so their superiority is thereby co-essential with their essence. Which qualifies it for 1-A.
This is further supported by the fact that to exist within the real world it is necessary to undergo a metaphysical transformation if they come from outside of the worl , whereby material entities are transformed into higher-order forms capable of comprehending and thriving in the world's superior ontological framework. This shows how they are fundamentally different. and that as long as the residants of the world maintain their nature, they stay superior always, at all times. which aligns with what a 1-A being is supposed to be like.
Some supporting stuff i wanted to mention is also the fact that, they transcend the hounds of tindalos, which are stated to transcend dimensions and are superior to space and time, which should be enough to warrant Low Outer especially for their physiology. and support the metaphysical gap between the real world and storyworlds,
Because people are somehow bringing this up. NOTHING in this argument talks about r>f, if you bring this you will be ignored.
Creators create worlds via stories. These stories act as necessary conditions for what they create, similar to a generating principle. This is important because at the end of the series, Meteora creates the story we have been following so far. This story would include the qualitative superiority i established here. And because of what we established prior, about how the real world is superior to ALL storyworlds no matter what, The real world is superior to this, and furthermore, since we established stories are the frameworks that determine things, Meteora effectively created the condition for 1-A, this condition is what allows all possible layers of 1-A to be instantiated. Therefore the real world transcending this, they should qualify for High 1-A as they transcend the framework which allows 1-A to occur, with "stories" here being the algorithm of such.
Agree: @Nissa_Ushiromiya
(Bums will not be mentioned)
This thread intends to upgrade the real world from Re:Creators
Credit to @RM97 and East(idk his username) for help n proofreading
Ordinary Although Outerversal Everyday
First of all, The tier itself can be understood via this:This will be referenced quite alot.
Now to establish superiority in the first place,we first look at what their power is.
(However it is worth it to note that its superiority over storyworlds is already accepted just not the qualitative kind, this is just a little addition)
As we can see, the ability of a creator is to create worlds.
Furthermore, this ability is irreducible to the worlds it creates as lower beings like meteora and selesia are unable to identify these new qualities they experience and hence call them unique. Given that information is both language and reality and also extends to ALL worlds this shows ontological irreducibility as it is fundamental to all material composites and cannot be expressed using them and also falls short of expressing anything in the real world causing a failure in reduction leading to irreducibility
So, since we established that the real world exerts influence over all material composites and is not reducible to them, it qualifies for what ultima deemed as "superiority to dimensionality":
Now for the jump to outerversal, the series clearly establishes how this superiority is grounded in the essence of the world, and that the Real World has a unique nature relative to the material realm.
As shown through this, their ability to create, which keep in mind IS their superiority, is sustained BY their higher/multi layered essence since all inhabitants have the same level of existence as the world they inhabit. and so their superiority is thereby co-essential with their essence. Which qualifies it for 1-A.
This is further supported by the fact that to exist within the real world it is necessary to undergo a metaphysical transformation if they come from outside of the worl , whereby material entities are transformed into higher-order forms capable of comprehending and thriving in the world's superior ontological framework. This shows how they are fundamentally different. and that as long as the residants of the world maintain their nature, they stay superior always, at all times. which aligns with what a 1-A being is supposed to be like.
Some supporting stuff i wanted to mention is also the fact that, they transcend the hounds of tindalos, which are stated to transcend dimensions and are superior to space and time, which should be enough to warrant Low Outer especially for their physiology. and support the metaphysical gap between the real world and storyworlds,
Because people are somehow bringing this up. NOTHING in this argument talks about r>f, if you bring this you will be ignored.
Re:High-Outerversal
Lets first establish what that is,Creators create worlds via stories. These stories act as necessary conditions for what they create, similar to a generating principle. This is important because at the end of the series, Meteora creates the story we have been following so far. This story would include the qualitative superiority i established here. And because of what we established prior, about how the real world is superior to ALL storyworlds no matter what, The real world is superior to this, and furthermore, since we established stories are the frameworks that determine things, Meteora effectively created the condition for 1-A, this condition is what allows all possible layers of 1-A to be instantiated. Therefore the real world transcending this, they should qualify for High 1-A as they transcend the framework which allows 1-A to occur, with "stories" here being the algorithm of such.
The Good, The Bad, And The Outerversal
Depending on what gets accepted and what doesnt, this could go 2 ways in how this effects the current tiering of the characters.Assuming High 1-A gets rejected and 1-A gets accepted:
All characters who exist in the real world get 1-A with a specific key for when they existed within it, as EoS they return back to their original worlds except for meteora. she keeps it.
Altair(final key) and Imaginative Force gets upgraded to High 1-A, as IF is already accepted to transcend the framework of the real world in a different, superior qualitative way.
All characters who exist in the real world get 1-A with a specific key for when they existed within it, as EoS they return back to their original worlds except for meteora. she keeps it.
Altair(final key) and Imaginative Force gets upgraded to High 1-A, as IF is already accepted to transcend the framework of the real world in a different, superior qualitative way.
Assuming High 1-A gets accepted:
Same as before except inhabitants are high 1-A
Altair(final key) and IF are 1 layer into High 1-A, because of the same reason.
Same as before except inhabitants are high 1-A
Altair(final key) and IF are 1 layer into High 1-A, because of the same reason.
Agree: @Nissa_Ushiromiya
(Bums will not be mentioned)
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all ts wank and still not being able to cope about LoTM atoms 
not even H1A sex smth
