[Genshin Impact] -- Columbina -- Type 4 Immortality and/or Resurrection

[HaonShiney]

Hey, all. CRT thread for Columbina.

Spoiler: Resurrection

Columbina's Utility Passive Lunar Vigil provides her the ability to revive characters while inside of Nod-Krai.

From this talent alone, this should qualify Columbina (Trilune Goddess) for Resurrection, though bounded in location and with a 100 second cooldown.

Spoiler: Type 4 Immortality

Given the above reasoning for Resurrection, combined with below, Columbina as the Trilune Goddess should have Type 4 Immortality (in addition to her Type 8 Immortality.)

Columbina, before becoming the Trilune Goddess, spread her body across Nod-Krai as Moonlight, or more accurately, Kuuvahki, which is her power as a Moon Goddess:


As explained here, Columbina's plan is to reunite her body, in the form of all of the Kuuvahki across Nod-Krai, her soul, through Luonnotar, and her authority, through the Frost Moon. Once all three are reunited, she becomes the Trilune Goddess within Teyvat.


After the battle with Dottore, Columbina reveals that she has returned Kuuvahki back to Nod-Krai.


Given this, and that the version of Columbina we play with is a version that is set after the Archon Quests, as evidenced by her Elemental Burst animation containing the wings she gains upon becoming the Trilune Goddess in Teyvat,

...we are able to surmise that Columbina, in her current playable state, is stronger in Nod-Krai due to the fact that part of her power is located there, in the form of Kuuvahki.

Due to this, in her prime, Columbina's resurrection powers (which are, in game, limited to Nod-Krai's borders) should not be limited to the borders of Nod-Krai in her prime.

As her resurrective abilities are able to resurrect herself,

Columbina should get Type 4 Immortality.

The resurrection is instant, and at full power, is a complete restoration of all wounds.

This shouldn't affect her Weakened or 10% Rerir Amp forms, given as she did not yet have Life Authority yet.

Agree: MSahla, AsterReal Furina003 @TWILIGHT-OP (limited) @FanSyst (limited) @Vietthai96 (limited) @Youngwolf-0.1 (limited) @LoudestProcedure @InfiOthinus
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[MSahla]

This makes sense to me.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Limited. As she can only do that in nod krai.

 

[HaonShiney]

Limited. As she can only do that in nod krai.

Did you read the full post? If yes, then alright, but the post explains that the only tangible difference in Nod Krai is the presence of Kuuvahki, of which Trilune Columbina has all in her possession.

 

[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[Furina003]

Make senses, agree

 

[FanSyst]

Limited resurrection.

 

[HaonShiney]

Limited resurrection.

Should I put you down for Agree (Resurrection, limited), Disagree (the rest)?

(I presume my "she has the Kuuvahki of Nod Krai in this form" argument isn't too compelling haha)

 

[MSahla]

Should I put you down for Agree (Resurrection, limited), Disagree (the rest)?

(I presume my "she has the Kuuvahki of Nod Krai in this form" argument isn't too compelling haha)

If those who says it's limited, u should put it like "@Name (Limited)" or the likes.

 

[HaonShiney]

If those who says it's limited, u should put it like "@Name (Limited)" or the likes.

Got it got it, thx

 

[FanSyst]

Should I put you down for Agree (Resurrection, limited), Disagree (the rest)?

(I presume my "she has the Kuuvahki of Nod Krai in this form" argument isn't too compelling haha)

Yes, Agree (limited)

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Seems fine

 

[Vietthai96]

Limited Resurrection, and i don't see Immortality type 4, if i'm not wrong, the resurrection is an external ability not an internal power, that not gonna grant you immortality type 4

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

You're treating "has a resurrection ability" and "has Type 4 Immortality" as if they're automatically the same thing, when they aren't.

Nothing you've posted demonstrates that Columbina is inherently immortal via resurrection. At best, you've shown that she possesses a resurrection-related ability. Those are two different claims. The entire argument boils down to:
"She can resurrect herself, therefore Type 4."

That's not how the rating works. Otherwise every character with Self-Resurrection would automatically qualify for type 4, which is obviously not the case. More importantly, most of your evidence is focused on Kuuvahki, the Moonlight, the separation of her body, soul, and authority, and her continued existence through those components. That's an argument for type 8, not type 4. Where is the evidence that killing Columbina results in automatic resurrection as a fundamental aspect of her existence? Where is the evidence that death is only temporary for her? Where is the evidence that she repeatedly returns from death rather than merely possessing a resurrection technique?

Right now, you're using evidence for externalized existence and trying to stretch it into Type 4. Those are not the same thing. Unless you can show that her resurrection functions as an immortality mechanism rather than simply an ability she possesses, I don't see a solid basis
for type 4 here.


Limited Resurrection is fine to me

 

[HaonShiney]

You're treating "has a resurrection ability" and "has Type 4 Immortality" as if they're automatically the same thing, when they aren't.

Nothing you've posted demonstrates that Columbina is inherently immortal via resurrection. At best, you've shown that she possesses a resurrection-related ability. Those are two different claims. The entire argument boils down to:
"She can resurrect herself, therefore Type 4."

My argument isn't that her resurrection ability is the same thing as Type 4 Immortality, it's that her resurrection ability should qualify her for Type 4 Immortality due to the fact that she can resurrect herself a countless number of times.

That's not how the rating works. Otherwise every character with Self-Resurrection would automatically qualify for type 4, which is obviously not the case.

The page for immortality only says "Characters that are immortal because, whenever they die, they will simply reincarnate within another body or resurrect themselves at a later point in time." I am in no way well versed in the distinct mechanics of self-resurrection vs type 4 immortality, but would a form of repeatable, continued self-resurrection not count for Type 4 Immortality? If Columbina's resurrection could only trigger once, then I'd understand it not qualifying, but that's not the case here. Whenever her death occurs, the resurrection occurs immediately afterwards.

I feel like there's probably something I'm missing for the definition of Type 4 Immortality lol

More importantly, most of your evidence is focused on Kuuvahki, the Moonlight, the separation of her body, soul, and authority, and her continued existence through those components. That's an argument for type 8, not type 4. Where is the evidence that killing Columbina results in automatic resurrection as a fundamental aspect of her existence? Where is the evidence that death is only temporary for her?

My evidence demonstrating Kuuvahki and her original revival in the story was a long-winded way to explain the reason that her ability in-game functions exclusively in Nod Krai, which is due to the presence of Kuuvahki post-story. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a fundamental aspect of her existence." Death is only temporary for her due to the fact that she can repeatedly resurrect herself when in the presence of Kuuvahki. In her Trilune Goddess form, her body IS Kuuvahki, and thus her ability to resurrect herself is based on her proximity to herself.

Where is the evidence that she repeatedly returns from death rather than merely possessing a resurrection technique?

Would a resurrection ability which triggers automatically after death repeatedly, with no input from the user, not qualify?

Right now, you're using evidence for externalized existence and trying to stretch it into Type 4. Those are not the same thing. Unless you can show that her resurrection functions as an immortality mechanism rather than simply an ability she possesses, I don't see a solid basis
for type 4 here.

Can you define what you mean by an "immortality mechanism?" I feel as if, by the definition on the wiki page for immortality, her ability to defy death repeatedly via self-resurrection should qualify as an "immortality mechanism."

 

[HaonShiney]

Limited Resurrection, and i don't see Immortality type 4, if i'm not wrong, the resurrection is an external ability not an internal power, that not gonna grant you immortality type 4

The power that is resurrecting her is her own power. In her playable version, she returned a portion of her Kuuvahki to Nod Krai, so I do believe that wouldn't qualify for immortality, because it requires her power outside of her body nearby to allow resurrection.

But before she gave up that power, it was entirely internal.

 

[InfiOthinus]

Seems reasonable. I agree.

 

[MSahla]

.

I think that's enough vote for you. You can apply the changes but only Limited because that's the accepted one.

 

[Puppet43]

Limited Ressurection but she couldnt revive Sandrone while in a Pocket Dimension inside of Nod Krai?
This is one of few moments where gameplay isnt lore accurate

 

[HaonShiney]

Limited Ressurection but she couldnt revive Sandrone while in a Pocket Dimension inside of Nod Krai?
This is one of few moments where gameplay isnt lore accurate

I think that's explained by "Sandrone is a robot!!" lol

anyways, changes applied, this can be closed

 

[ComicCalc]

Agree

 

[KirbyFan03]

I disagree with ressurection as party members are merely incapacitated

Unless we're giving the Teyvat Egg ressurection too

Healing imo would be e better fit