Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Okay I understand the matter now but even so I do not see anything that supports immeasurable speed.

The text mentions a time leap and this indicates that these particles do not move through time but instead leap through it and do not move, for example: from 100 years to year 50 directly without progression meaning this is a skip of time, this is a jump between temporal points as clarified in the text (time leap) and as for phrases like transcending spacetime and stopped time they are not evidence of immeasurable speed, all characters in fiction are described as transcending spacetime so are we now going to grant them immeasurable speed?


Even the phrase “not constrained by time” simply means that time stop does not affect it, as clarified by the other texts I sent.

Regarding stopped time, according to the standards movement in a world where time does not flow or where time does not exist does not grant immeasurable speed.

you do know leap=/=teleportation as leap is a form of physical movement

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

I've known about this for a long time and I’ve been waiting for this thread; with the knowledge I have, I have no reason to disagree, it’s time to see Immeasurable Speed on those profiles again

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So far I have not seen anything related to speed here and this is just information transfer only and not speed or anything else, simply transferring a piece of information through spacetime is not speed and is not immeasurable and on top of that it is clarified that it is just thought transmission, meaning the matter is already explained to you, the same thing as transferring your thoughts or information, honestly this is not speed at all, sending a thought or information to someone is not speed at all.

It seems to me this is just information manipulation or just transferring information and thoughts only or transferring information or anything, in any case this is not speed at all.



I don’t know when the transmission of thoughts even became speed in the first place.

The idea that it's Speed was already accepted along with infinite speed. This thread is just adding up on that.

The 'thought' speed is when Rimuru was only perceiving the suspended world but couldn't move in it, so your argument is based on not knowing what happened next. A Digital lifeform is made of those very data/information particles. Do you get it now?

1. IP (Information particle) moves at immeasurable speed.
2. At first Rimuru used it to make up for his perception and processing speed.
3. Then he transformed into a DLF, making his entire existence become that of OP (body included), so whenever he's doing anything, he's doing it via moving his own Information particles.

Obv we won't explain why it is speed in this thread when that was exactly what we did in detail in the previous thread. But I'll quote a scan for you from the previous thread regardless. I will only reply once since there's no point in discussing something accepted just one thread ago further (could have just participated in that one...) and if you still disagree then fine, we'll put you in the disagree section.

Since Ciel san has become able to interfere with “information particles,” it is possible for her to respond.

To begin with, the reason I am currently able to “see” the surrounding situation is also because “information particles” are being reflected. Whether the movement speed of “information particles” in this “stopped world” is constant or not those various things are points of curiosity, but it seems that conversation can be established, which is fortunate.
V19C4

Okay I understand the matter now but even so I do not see anything that supports immeasurable speed.

The text mentions a time leap and this indicates that these particles do not move through time but instead leap through it and do not move, for example: from 100 years to year 50 directly without progression meaning this is a skip of time, this is a jump between temporal points as clarified in the text (time leap) and as for phrases like transcending spacetime and stopped time they are not evidence of immeasurable speed, all characters in fiction are described as transcending spacetime so are we now going to grant them immeasurable speed?

Because them being able to leap in time (this is NOT teleportation by the way, that exact idea was already addressed in the previous thread) is an inherent property of information particles that allow them to move in Suspended World. And they, as made of information particles, actually battle at that speed instead of just flying around teleporting.

Even the phrase “not constrained by time” simply means that time stop does not affect it, as clarified by the other texts I sent.

Please read the thread carefully instead of arguing just for arguing:

《There is no problem. It has been determined that Information Particles are unaffected by time or space and are able to transmit information to any point in time. That is to say, thoughts can be conveyed even within a stopped world.》
V19C4

(Keep in mind a Digital Nature's body is literally information)

Regarding stopped time, according to the standards movement in a world where time does not flow or where time does not exist does not grant immeasurable speed.

Okay? You're bringing up an argument we didn't even use...

 

[MetaChronos]

I think this is the shortest immeasurable speed CRT i saw. But the arguments make sense. So Agree.

 

[Ayato256]

Depuis quand t'a un compte toi ?

Since August of last year
Speak in English when you're on vsbw, and you can ask me these kinds of questions in a private message
This avoids discussions that have nothing to do with the CRT and allows for better readability for staff members

 

[Azertyhuuh]

The idea that it's Speed was already accepted along with infinite speed. This thread is just adding up on that.

The 'thought' speed is when Rimuru was only perceiving the suspended world but couldn't move in it, so your argument is based on not knowing what happened next. A Digital lifeform is made of those very data/information particles. Do you get it now?

1. IP (Information particle) moves at immeasurable speed.
2. At first Rimuru used it to make up for his perception and processing speed.
3. Then he transformed into a DLF, making his entire existence become that of OP (body included), so whenever he's doing anything, he's doing it via moving his own Information particles.

Obv we won't explain why it is speed in this thread when that was exactly what we did in detail in the previous thread. But I'll quote a scan for you from the previous thread regardless. I will only reply once since there's no point in discussing something accepted just one thread ago further (could have just participated in that one...) and if you still disagree then fine, we'll put you in the disagree section.


Because them being able to leap in time (this is NOT teleportation by the way, that exact idea was already addressed in the previous thread) is an inherent property of information particles that allow them to move in Suspended World. And they, as made of information particles, actually battle at that speed instead of just flying around teleporting.

Please read the thread carefully instead of arguing just for arguing:

(Keep in mind a Digital Nature's body is literally information)

Okay? You're bringing up an argument we didn't even use...

It is true that particles move, and this has already been demonstrated, and I am aware of that now. However, frankly, this does not respond to my argument at all.

For example, every fictional character moves (regardless of movement speed), but does simply moving prove that you are moving through time itself? The text states that it is a time leap, not movement through time. It is a temporal leap and reaching any point in time also does not contradict the idea of it being just a time leap. It can reach any point in time instantaneously, like traveling directly from year 100 to year 50.

The fact that it moves within its current spatial range at infinite speed or any speed does not negate what the text explains when it comes to time. All beings also move, even if their speeds differ, and this does not disprove that when it comes to time, it “jumps” across temporal points as the text describes it as a time leap, not movement through time to that temporal point. This is very clear from the texts.

Solution. If the phenomenon at that time was Time Leap, then it is understandable why its entirety could not be grasped. Without authority to interfere with time, even observation is impossible.》
V11C5

I ask the staff to actually read the opposing arguments this time instead of immediately replying with statements like “looks good” or “agreed” just because all the Tensura fans here agree. Of course they would agree, since this is their work. What I want is a clear answer on this matter; otherwise, I do not see any immeasurable speed.

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

É verdade que as partículas se movem, e isso já foi demonstrado, e eu estou ciente disso agora. No entanto, francamente, isso não responde ao meu argumento de forma alguma.

Por exemplo, todos os personagens fictícios se movem (independentemente da velocidade do movimento), mas o simples fato de se moverem prova que estão se movendo através do próprio tempo? O texto afirma que se trata de um salto temporal, não de um movimento através do tempo. É um salto temporal e alcançar qualquer ponto no tempo também não contradiz a ideia de ser apenas um salto temporal. É possível alcançar qualquer ponto no tempo instantaneamente, como viajar diretamente do ano 100 para o ano 50.

O fato de se mover dentro de seu alcance espacial atual a velocidade infinita ou a qualquer velocidade não invalida o que o texto explica em relação ao tempo. Todos os seres também se movem, mesmo que suas velocidades sejam diferentes, e isso não refuta a ideia de que, em termos de tempo, ele "salta" entre pontos temporais, como o texto descreve, como um salto temporal, e não um movimento através do tempo até aquele ponto temporal. Isso fica muito claro nos textos.

Peço à equipe que desta vez leia atentamente os argumentos contrários, em vez de responder imediatamente com afirmações como "parece bom" ou "concordo", só porque todos os fãs de Tensura aqui concordam. É claro que concordariam, já que este é o trabalho deles. O que eu quero é uma resposta clara sobre o assunto; caso contrário, não vejo como isso poderá ser feito rapidamente.

Well, that contradicts what you said. Tensura fans read light novels, and besides, Fuse makes that very clear in the Isekai Memories, spin-offs, and manga.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It is true that particles move, and this has already been demonstrated, and I am aware of that now. However, frankly, this does not respond to my argument at all.

For example, every fictional character moves (regardless of movement speed), but does simply moving prove that you are moving through time itself? The text states that it is a time leap, not movement through time. It is a temporal leap and reaching any point in time also does not contradict the idea of it being just a time leap. It can reach any point in time instantaneously, like traveling directly from year 100 to year 50.

???
The text specifically says they can move to any point in time in context to them moving in suspended world and fighting others. Your entire argument is making an assumption that doesn't exist in the text, then expands on that extrapolated assumption as if you caught a fish with it.

You do know "Leap", "Movement', "Transfer" all of that are alternate translations of each other? You're arguing semantics here, in which case you can bring a translator helper to clarify it for you.

The fact that it moves within its current spatial range at infinite speed or any speed does not negate what the text explains when it comes to time. All beings also move, even if their speeds differ, and this does not disprove that when it comes to time, it “jumps” across temporal points as the text describes it as a time leap, not movement through time to that temporal point. This is very clear from the texts.

This entire point is debunked by the fact that information particles move at a constant/fixed speed at all times. By NECESSITY of that, its movement speed in space is the same as its movement speed in time because the speed of information particles IS constant. Whether it's travel speed, perception speed, attack speed, combat speed, flight speed, etc. etc., it doesn't matter if their speed is constant/fixed/unchanging.

Since Ciel san has become able to interfere with “information particles,” it is possible for her to respond.

To begin with, the reason I am currently able to “see” the surrounding situation is also because “information particles” are being reflected. Whether the movement speed of “information particles” in this “stopped world” is constant or not those various things are points of curiosity, but it seems that conversation can be established, which is fortunate.
V19C4

That was, in a word, tremendous. This is a fact that became clear while watching the battle, but it seems that “the movement speed of information particles is constant.”
V19C4

So again, PLEASE read the actual thread instead of thinking in your own world.

I ask the staff to actually read the opposing arguments this time instead of immediately replying with statements like “looks good” or “agreed” just because all the Tensura fans here agree. Of course they would agree, since this is their work. What I want is a clear answer on this matter; otherwise, I do not see any immeasurable speed.

Ah, so now the absence of an opposition means the thread being accepted doesn't have any value?
Whatever suits you more, man. I don't mind waiting for staff since I've already discussed with them on discord. In fact waiting was what I was gonna do anyways cuz ain't no way I'm replying to your nonexistent arguments again, at least if they remain the same.

 

[Hecky2222]

It is true that particles move, and this has already been demonstrated, and I am aware of that now. However, frankly, this does not respond to my argument at all.

For example, every fictional character moves (regardless of movement speed), but does simply moving prove that you are moving through time itself? The text states that it is a time leap, not movement through time. It is a temporal leap and reaching any point in time also does not contradict the idea of it being just a time leap. It can reach any point in time instantaneously, like traveling directly from year 100 to year 50.

The fact that it moves within its current spatial range at infinite speed or any speed does not negate what the text explains when it comes to time. All beings also move, even if their speeds differ, and this does not disprove that when it comes to time, it “jumps” across temporal points as the text describes it as a time leap, not movement through time to that temporal point. This is very clear from the texts.

I ask the staff to actually read the opposing arguments this time instead of immediately replying with statements like “looks good” or “agreed” just because all the Tensura fans here agree. Of course they would agree, since this is their work. What I want is a clear answer on this matter; otherwise, I do not see any immeasurable

leap

1. to make a large jump or sudden movement, usually from one place to another…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Agree with thread

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Yeah any more arguments would be unnecessary. Let us all just wait for heavenly (staff) intervention

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I agree with the reasonings, not just because I am a mindless Tensura fan but also because the fraudulent one will eventually be able to gain and lose aura at immeasurable speed and I find that hilarious.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

???
The text specifically says they can move to any point in time in context to them moving in suspended world and fighting others. Your entire argument is making an assumption that doesn't exist in the text, then expands on that extrapolated assumption as if you caught a fish with it.

You do know "Leap", "Movement', "Transfer" all of that are alternate translations of each other? You're arguing semantics here, in which case you can bring a translator helper to clarify it for you.

This entire point is debunked by the fact that information particles move at a constant/fixed speed at all times. By NECESSITY of that, its movement speed in space is the same as its movement speed in time because the speed of information particles IS constant. Whether it's travel speed, perception speed, attack speed, combat speed, flight speed, etc. etc., it doesn't matter if their speed is constant/fixed/unchanging.



So again, PLEASE read the actual thread instead of thinking in your own world.

Ah, so now the absence of an opposition means the thread being accepted doesn't have any value?
Whatever suits you more, man. I don't mind waiting for staff since I've already discussed with them on discord. In fact waiting was what I was gonna do anyways cuz ain't no way I'm replying to your nonexistent arguments again, at least if they remain the same.

This response neither refutes nor addresses any of the points I made, and I don't think the staff will agree with a thread like this. It simply isn't sufficient to prove Immeasurable Speed

 

[Azertyhuuh]

leap

1. to make a large jump or sudden movement, usually from one place to another…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Agree with thread

This does not address my argument.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This response neither refutes nor addresses any of the points I made, and I don't think the staff will agree with a thread like this. It simply isn't sufficient to prove Immeasurable Speed

This does not address my argument.

Mate, just make one post for both...
Also a simple "No" was never an option. If it was as simple as that, vsbw would be a battle of yuh uh and nuh uh rather than arguments based on logic.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Mate, just make one post for both...
Also a simple "No" was never an option. If it was as simple as that, vsbw would be a battle of yuh uh and nuh uh rather than arguments based on logic.

In reality, this is not a simple “no,” but a strong “no” that is fully based on refuting the entire thread. The responses did not deny or disprove any of my points, so in this case, the “no” is a logical “no.”

 

[Berga14]

In reality, this is not a simple “no,” but a strong “no” that is fully based on refuting the entire thread. The responses did not deny or disprove any of my points, so in this case, the “no” is a logical “no.”

@everystaffinthewiki agree to give you logic manipulation

Anyway, agree

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

 

[Elizhaa]

It seems to be Immeasurable speed, from the new evidence.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

I had already gotten the gist of it when someone requested a translation of those scans, so I agree.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It seems to be Immeasurable speed, from the new evidence.

It seems to me that these are merely thoughts. Transferring thoughts does not qualify as speed; it is simply a form of telepathy, or perhaps some kind of thought or information manipulation. If he is capable of transferring information, then that is merely information manipulation.

There is no problem. It has been determined that Information Particles are unaffected by time or space and are able to transmit information to any point in time. That is to say, thoughts can be conveyed even within a stopped world.》

V19C4

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It seems to me that these are merely thoughts. Transferring thoughts does not qualify as speed; it is simply a form of telepathy, or perhaps some kind of thought or information manipulation. If he is capable of transferring information, then that is merely information manipulation.

"he" himself IS information. For the 10th time, stop larping and kindly read the profile pages

• Passive Enhanced Information Manipulation (Type 2; Digital Lifeforms directly manipulate information and information particles, everything, from their existence to their actions is based on the manipulation of information and information particles. Information particle and information are the fundamental aspect of Tensura and all things such as Mind, Soul, and Abstract things like Skills are made up of it.)

Infinite as a Digital Nature (Digital Lifeforms can transform into Digital Nature instantly and know whenever someone activates Suspended World (Time Stop) or another Digital Lifeform is on the move — When transformed, Digital Lifeforms are composed entirely of Data Particles, which can travel anywhere within perceived space without any time lag or in 0 time)

 

[Berga14]

telepathy

In that precise scan Rimuru isn't YET a dlf so he is basically freezed in time but thanks to Ciel being able to manipulate information particles to an extent he can send thoughts as information carried by information particles to Chloe.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Frankly, this as been debunked before and there is no new evidence per se. It's the same evidence and arguments being rehashed once again.

The statements being used to even claim immeasurable speed for information particles don't even apply to information particles, it's for the "speed(?)" at which these particles transfer information. Needless to say that "leaping" isn't referring to physical movement as for one, information isn't a physical substance and two, information particles aren't what's going beyond time and space but the information they are transmitting.

Information Particles are unaffected by time or space and are able to transmit information to any point in time. That is to say, thoughts can be conveyed even within a stopped world.

Even if it is information that is instantaneously synchronized by leaping beyond time and space, if the "information particles" themselves into which that information is written are interfered with

As information particles and information aren't the same thing, the "speed(?)" at which the former transmits the latter cannot be the justification for its movement speed.

Now if you noticed, I keep quoting "speed" with a "?". This is because the apparent quickness at which information is transmitted between information particles does not denote speed of any sort. Speed is simply how long it takes a person or thing to cover a given distance. Infinite speed is travelling an infinite distance in any amount of time or a finite distance in zero time and immeasurable is movement unbound from the flow of linear time. If a phenomenon doesn't fit into this then regardless of its portrayal, it cannot be counted as speed.
Information particles have BDE Type 1 meaning they are independent of space and time (backed by the numerous scans sent here) so they do not fall under the constraints required for speed. It also doesn't require a third party or medium for the transfer of information. For this reason as well as the fact they aren't constrained by time, there is essentially no time lag in the process of sending and receiving information so as long as another particle exists in one's perceived space, information can be transmitted to it without the need to travel through space and time. Thanks to it's BDE 1 nature, this isn't a case of time being undefined but rather distance and time not being applicable so there's no speed at all.
Finally, all of the above basically covers the distinction between information particles and information as well as how the factors necessary for speed do not apply to the transmission of information so as for the actual physical movement of information particles as per Rimuru himself:

Then why, one might ask, do 'information particles' appear to exceed the speed of light?
Well, it's not that their speed is faster.
It feels like 'information particles,' which should exist in separate coordinates, are transferring "information" to one another with zero time delay. Regardless of the distance between them, as long as the 'information particles' exist within a perceptible space, the transfer happens instantaneously. In other words, 'information particles' transcend spacetime.

So they do not actually exceed the speed of light but rather, distance and time aren't applicable to them

 

[Berga14]

as been debunked

... oh yeah.

1 vote from derek within minutes after the debuk got posted to an OP that didn't address anything. Then he went NEP.

1 vote from Ant (not knowledgable + weird biased ideas about Rimuru) again in favour of an OP that didn't address anything + Elde argument which made sense at least. Then went NEP

Then the final vote for the 4 to 1 that was given due to "glazing lower speed" and "why aren't they goig always that fast" which completely ignored all context.

That debunk was probably the most loughable thing ever

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Frankly, this as been debunked before and there is no new evidence per se. It's the same evidence and arguments being rehashed once again.

Except, it has already been accepted as infinite speed. Did you follow the last thread?

The statements being used to even claim immeasurable speed for information particles don't even apply to information particles, it's for the "speed(?)" at which these particles transfer information. Needless to say that "leaping" isn't referring to physical movement as for one, information isn't a physical substance and two, information particles aren't what's going beyond time and space but the information they are transmitting.

Already addressed in the previous thread.

If you have problems with accepted things then make a separate thread for it after this is over. Cuz RN this is irrelevant
Larp less

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Frankly, this as been debunked before and there is no new evidence per se. It's the same evidence and arguments being rehashed once again.

The statements being used to even claim immeasurable speed for information particles don't even apply to information particles, it's for the "speed(?)" at which these particles transfer information. Needless to say that "leaping" isn't referring to physical movement as for one, information isn't a physical substance and two, information particles aren't what's going beyond time and space but the information they are transmitting.


As information particles and information aren't the same thing, the "speed(?)" at which the former transmits the latter cannot be the justification for its movement speed.

Now if you noticed, I keep quoting "speed" with a "?". This is because the apparent quickness at which information is transmitted between information particles does not denote speed of any sort. Speed is simply how long it takes a person or thing to cover a given distance. Infinite speed is travelling an infinite distance in any amount of time or a finite distance in zero time and immeasurable is movement unbound from the flow of linear time. If a phenomenon doesn't fit into this then regardless of its portrayal, it cannot be counted as speed.
Information particles have BDE Type 1 meaning they are independent of space and time (backed by the numerous scans sent here) so they do not fall under the constraints required for speed. It also doesn't require a third party or medium for the transfer of information. For this reason as well as the fact they aren't constrained by time, there is essentially no time lag in the process of sending and receiving information so as long as another particle exists in one's perceived space, information can be transmitted to it without the need to travel through space and time. Thanks to it's BDE 1 nature, this isn't a case of time being undefined but rather distance and time not being applicable so there's no speed at all.
Finally, all of the above basically covers the distinction between information particles and information as well as how the factors necessary for speed do not apply to the transmission of information so as for the actual physical movement of information particles as per Rimuru himself:

So they do not actually exceed the speed of light but rather, distance and time aren't applicable to them

Honestly, that makes sense.

 

[Robo432343]

There are anti feats for immeasurable speed too

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

... oh yeah.

1 vote from derek within minutes after the debuk got posted to an OP that didn't address anything. Then he went NEP.

That OP did addressed the part where it was not due to speed.

1 vote from Ant (not knowledgable + weird biased ideas about Rimuru) again in favour of an OP that didn't address anything + Elde argument which made sense at least. Then went NEP

I don't know how you people can criticize other staff when, every time you get a vote, you also have unknowledgeable staff members agreeing without questioning anything, only to get debunked later on.

Then the final vote for the 4 to 1 that was given due to "glazing lower speed" and "why aren't they goig always that fast" which completely ignored all context.

Rimuru can perceive FTL speeds while others can't. No amount of context is going to save the argument that they simply can't perceive it. Also, I don't remember anyone arguing that they aren't always going full speed. The whole point was that the series hypes up speeds below SoL, while characters are consistently getting tagged by attacks moving at those same speeds. Supposed characters you are arguing for immeasurable speed.

That debunk was probably the most loughable thing ever

Well anything is laughable to you guys when someone disagrees with you.

The really laughable thing is that FTL speed is hyped up in Volume 23, and even Rimuru questions whether it's possible. Yet neither you nor anyone else bothered to mention that in the OP. Instead, you people just posted random scans that barely have anything to do with speed.

 

[Bahaha]

Sounds like you guys need to remove the current infinite speed justification in order for this not to pass.

 

[Ferno1234]

I don't know how you people can criticize other staff when

Although berga's comment was unnecessary, this is stating your personal view which is irrelevant here, and which to my knowledge, no one asked for

every time you get a vote, you also have unknowledgeable staff members agreeing without questioning anything, only to get debunked later on.

"every time" A generalisation which you cannot ever hope to back up, and the lack of knowledge of staff on numerous matters is common here, and can be applied to the crt of many verses, nothing new

Rimuru can perceive FTL speeds while others can't

An assertion of a general statement, based on what? Belief?

The whole point was that the series hypes up speeds below SoL,

You mean Fuse's "faster than sound" statements which can establish no real cap, and can be used as a descriptor for  any speed faster than sound, from sol to Immeasurable?

Well anything is laughable to you guys when someone disagrees with you.

Are you here to project or actually say something of substance? Cause seems you mostly came here to clutter the thread with unneeded filth

The really laughable thing is that FTL speed is hyped up in Volume 23, and even Rimuru questions whether it's possible.

I guess this is the result of not looking at something as a whole out of desperation, now is that all, or do you have anything more to say?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Although berga's comment was unnecessary, this is stating your personal view which is irrelevant here, and which to my knowledge, no one asked for

He bought up my name and I don't need your permission to comment on these threads. Stop acting like you own this site—you obviously don't. I don't know what mindset you people have, but whenever someone comments, disagrees with you, or proves you wrong, you start acting insecure.

"every time" A generalisation which you cannot ever hope to back up, and the lack of knowledge of staff on numerous matters is common here, and can be applied to the crt of many verses, nothing new

Is it hard for you to read what other people are saying? Go back and read who was the first to say that votes from people who aren't knowledgeable on the topic mean nothing to them, instead of replying to me.

An assertion of a general statement, based on what? Belief?

List me the feats for other Digital lifeform perceiving FTL speed.

You mean Fuse's "faster than sound" statements which can establish no real cap, and can be used as a descriptor for  any speed faster than sound, from sol to Immeasurable?

The Tatsumi scans above posted literally state that they do not surpass SoL; it only appears that way because of information particles. Volume 23 confirms this. I don't know where you're getting this "immeasurable speed" argument from when multiple Digital Lifeforms struggle to perceive SoL attacks. Again, your excuse that they can't do it in their real bodies doesn't hold much weight. Rimuru can perceive them, while they can't, which already demonstrates a difference between them. Simply being able to move in the Suspended World and having the same physiology does not automatically grant any speed.

Are you here to project or actually say something of substance? Cause seems you mostly came here to clutter the thread with unneeded filth

The "real projection" argument comes from Bergas's comment. I don't know what you're talking about here or where you're getting that impression from.

I guess this is the result of not looking at something as a whole out of desperation, now is that all, or do you have anything more to say?

You are literally doing nothing productive here with these comments anyway. Why don't you take your own advice and let the people who actually know how to argue discuss it?

Instead of coming back with another tantrum, try coming back with actual arguments next time. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore you, since this comment alone suggests that you don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[CongratulatorySnail399]

Guys chill. Let’s not clog the thread with unnecessary comments.

 

[Ferno1234]

I don't need your permission to comment on these threads. Stop acting like you own this site—you obviously don't. I don't know what mindset you people have, but whenever someone comments, disagrees with you, or proves you wrong, you start acting insecure.

Is this ai or something? Owning the site? Insecure? When did i ever claim any of that?

Go back and read who was the first to say that votes from people who aren't knowledgeable on the topic mean nothing to them

Referencing another thread isn't going to help you, plus, is yet again, Irrelevant here, unless you're trying to say that the basis of you coming here was because of something said prior

Which is an admission that indeed you're here cause of a personal reason

List me the feats for other Digital lifeform perceiving FTL speed.

What even is this level of a lack of any consistency in your statements? I don't need to? They're already accepted as having infinite speed? Lol, like what??

The Tatsumi scans above posted literally state that they do not surpass SoL;

Lack of comprehension of english? It Is a rhetorical question used as a transition into an explanation, nothing there is claiming that they do not exceed sol

And there's also a statement that the speed of light isn't constant, so that still won't really help you

Again, your excuse that they can't do it in their real bodies doesn't hold much weight. Rimuru can perceive them, while they can't, which already demonstrates a difference between them. Simply being able to move in the Suspended World and having the same physiology does not automatically grant any speed.

I don't recall claiming such

Why don't you take your own advice and let the people who actually know how to argue discuss it?

Well, you're not of those either, so why act like you are?

You've already demonstrated that you're here to whine, do not possess the necessary capability to read the text and comprehend its meaning

And are really unable to give anything of substance, and are seemingly, for some odd reason are addressing Imaginary claims

I'm just going to ignore you, since this comment alone suggests that you don't really know what you're talking about.

And somehow you are? Please be serious, you're acting like a literal child, at least have some self awareness and leave, before you make a fool of yourself even more than you already have

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'll wait for people who can argue with scans rather than just spamming random tantrums.

 

[Ultimuru]

Is this ai or something? Owning the site? Insecure? When did i ever claim any of that?

Referencing another thread isn't going to help you, plus, is yet again, Irrelevant here, unless you're trying to say that the basis of you coming here was because of something said prior

Which is an admission that indeed you're here cause of a personal reason

What even is this level of a lack of any consistency in your statements? I don't need to? They're already accepted as having infinite speed? Lol, like what??

Lack of comprehension of english? It Is a rhetorical question used as a transition into an explanation, nothing there is claiming that they do not exceed sol

And there's also a statement that the speed of light isn't constant, so that still won't really help you

I don't recall claiming such

Well, you're not of those either, so why act like you are?

You've already demonstrated that you're here to whine, do not possess the necessary capability to read the text and comprehend its meaning

And are really unable to give anything of substance, and are seemingly, for some odd reason are addressing Imaginary claims

And somehow you are? Please be serious, you're acting like a literal child, at least have some self awareness and leave, before you make a fool of yourself even more than you already have

You are not helping

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

UnHoly, what is this larping from both sides

I'll wait for people who can argue with scans rather than just spamming random tantrums.

There's nothing to argue when all these arguments were already addressed in the last thread. Threads in series/parts aren't made just so people can bring what was addressed in part 1 to part 2 just because they feel like "I think this should be argued more!".

If you think it wasn't accepted fairly, make a thread, otherwise at least don't derail the current one that was made while assumimg some things as true and previously accepted recently. Maybe there would be an argument if the previous part was an year ago, but No.

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

Honestly, that makes sense.

Nah

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

Sounds like you guys need to remove the current infinite speed justification in order for this not to pass.

 

[Ball_of_light]

... oh yeah.

1 vote from derek within minutes after the debuk got posted to an OP that didn't address anything. Then he went NEP.

1 vote from Ant (not knowledgable + weird biased ideas about Rimuru) again in favour of an OP that didn't address anything + Elde argument which made sense at least. Then went NEP

Then the final vote for the 4 to 1 that was given due to "glazing lower speed" and "why aren't they goig always that fast" which completely ignored all context.

That debunk was probably the most loughable thing ever

Ant weird? Wat?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I do not agree with the Immeasurable Speed rating, and what EldemadeDityjon said is correct as well.

The previous thread was approved quickly, as usual, just like many other threads, without any actual discussion. That explains everything now.

What I mentioned, along with what EldemadeDityjon and Tatsumi504 pointed out, makes the situation clear. There is no Immeasurable Speed here, nor is there even Infinite Speed.

Even the speed of light was described as something significant for Tensura characters in Volume 23. As for this thread, it has nothing to do with speed in the first place.