Removing Type 3 Acasuality 3 from Lygus

[Zanesucksatlife]

As the title says,
As here: Once again
these justifications suck.

And: from a point of stand, the same way 1 2 and 4 can't work.. HSR also kills type 3 which we know as

Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

So yea, Aca3 for Lygus should go , as we know there is no other "Versions" it was one consciousness divided into 9 different vessels to stop himself from being perfect and with Both terminus and Fuli existing,
It further enhances the removal as the cause that made Lygus can be undone.

And not too mention that, these justifications for it are wrong.

Agree: Mbpoops Furina003 Shiroiyo TWILIGHT-OP DarkDragonMedeus Vietthai96 ActuallySpaceMan42
Neutral:
Disagree: Voidnether

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Atp bro just make a “list of HSR abilities” you wanna nuke and do them all at once cause nah dawg. How do you always find another one (following)

 

[Legacy30]

Do y'all never grow tired? You even stamina-diffed a mod into retirement

 

[Voidnether]

I disagree.

This is how Tensura's Acausality (Type 3) is written:

• Acausality (Type 3) & Immortality (Types 6 & 9; Via Parallel Existence, All parallel existences act as the real one even if they are sent to another world, space between dimensions or another time. They can discard their body, create another body and transfer energy[5])

The scans being:

"Meanwhile, with the Parallel Existence skill Velgrynd had, she could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy. "Copy" wasn't even the right term any longer—it was simply like having multiple versions of your "real" self. It meant that even if you killed one of them, as long as there's at least one other "alternate" of hers left, that could serve as her main one. Plus, she didn't have to split up her magic force at all. Every "alternate" was connected with the main body, so she could replenish as much magic power as she wanted on any version of herself."

"The place she flew to after leaving Rimuru was another world, in another time. Feldway had sent her Parallel Existence to the rift between this world and that one, and she safely reintegrated herself with it right there."

And the scans for Lygus being:

"After destroying Zandar's physical form, Polka Kakamond instantly realized how he had erased himself while preserving an executor — his thought fragments were already scattered across the vast cosmos, untraceable like a true "recluse." Zandar's clock hand never truly stopped. His thought fragments currently exist across all "time."

"Long after that parting, Zandar had vanished in the distant future. In his place, different "Thought Fragments" would travel to various space-time across the cosmos, each taking different forms and never communicating with each other while seeking solutions to break free from the "prison" on their own... These so-called "Thought Fragments" were nothing but imperfections in "Zandar." Perhaps it was precisely because something was missing that he became, as he wished, more obsessive... more pure."

I fail to see how is this not Acausality (Type 3) given Tensura has it for granted "as long as there's at least one other "alternate" of hers left, that could serve as her main one." which is what Zandar is, even if Lycurgus failed to kill Nous during The Amphoreus Experiment, we know that there are still other 8 Zandars left that would replace Lygus and begin with the main objective; Killing Nous because as long as there's still different Thought Fragments of Zandar (which there is one) then that one would just straight up replace the original and continue on with killing Nous, the Aeon of Erudition.

 

[Voidnether]

So yea, Aca3 for Lygus should go , as we know there is no other "Versions" it was one consciousness divided into 9 different vessels to stop himself from being perfect and with Both terminus and Fuli existing,
It further enhances the removal as the cause that made Lygus can be undone.

Right, so how is the part I bolded a problem again? When you have something similar in Tensura which is Acausality (Type 3):

she could divide bits of her consciousness into every copy

Which is what I especially bolded on the previous reply of mine. I don't know how Terminus and Fuli existing is a disqualifier, when it explicitly says "various space-time across the cosmos":

different "Thought Fragments" would travel to various space-time across the cosmos

 

[Voidnether]

I would also like to point out this:

Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Wonder what the next Path is after Elation.. Trailblaze, Beauty, Permanence, Order, Voracity and Propagation are straight up impossible cause they are either dead/missing. Equilibrium and Finality are, interesting but I'm not sure given how OP they are but Enigmata is just weird as hell, idk. I...

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The idea of Lygus being Acausality (Type 3) is something I got, and referenced from Tensura so if Lygus is not getting it from the exact same reason I made years ago that "they're still the same consciousness" which you know, back then Astral got it approved despite my disagreement as they're not different versions and just duplications scattered across different space-time continuums for Tensura, yet it was accepted

I won't debate further though, but if say this is removed then just know there's a potential for Tensura one to also be removed, because they're practically the same thing

I legit said this for Tensura:

Different versions yet they all share the same consciousness.

And Astral still got it accepted, so yes it sharing the same consciousness IS NOT A PROBLEM at all.

 

[Voidnether]

I fail to see how is this not Acausality (Type 3) given Tensura has it for granted "as long as there's at least one other "alternate" of hers left, that could serve as her main one." which is what Zandar is, even if Lycurgus failed to kill Nous during The Amphoreus Experiment, we know that there are still other 8 Zandars left that would replace Lygus and begin with the main objective; Killing Nous because as long as there's still different Thought Fragments of Zandar (which there is one) then that one would just straight up replace the original and continue on with killing Nous, the Aeon of Erudition.

Btw, what I said all here is textbook Acausality (Type 3), you can check the screenshots below

 

[Hecky2222]

I should learn from hoyoshills to how to make worst counterarguments possible and use @SuperNova55555 quotes in other threads when it is not relevant

 

[Vietthai96]

Btw, what I said all here is textbook Acausality (Type 3), you can check the screenshots below

Actually, split your consciousness across vessels and those vessel spread across time or space isn't acausality type 3. It is just immortality type 8 based on those vessels at best, like this. Because it is a singular person, split their mind across clones/vessels.

Aca 3 however require and actual, literal alternate selves that can act as perfect replacement for the original, each of those selves should be the same as original, their own self, individual.

So yeah unless in this context, the vessels are their own individual normally and can replace the original then it is Aca 3, if not then it is Immortality type 8 if the character can come back from using those vessels as base

 

[Mbpoops]

I thought we agreed to wait

Anyway agree

 

[Voidnether]

Actually, split your consciousness across vessels and those vessel spread across time or space isn't acausality type 3. It is just immortality type 8 based on those vessels at best, like this. Because it is a singular person, split their mind across clones/vessels.

Aca 3 however require and actual, literal alternate selves that can act as perfect replacement for the original, each of those selves should be the same as original, their own self, individual.

So yeah unless in this context, the vessels are their own individual normally and can replace the original then it is Aca 3, if not then it is Immortality type 8 if the character can come back from using those vessels as base

Well, the vessels are their own individual and when Lygus failed to kill Nous due to Cyrene, there are his other 8 vessels that would replace Lygus in their task of killing Nous, so yeah it's definitely Acausality Type 3 here.

 

[Voidnether]

I should learn from hoyoshills to how to make worst counterarguments possible and use @SuperNova55555 quotes in other threads when it is not relevant

Uh huh, you do know @Zanesucksatlife's arguments is the exact same as mine right when I opposed Tensura's Acausality Type 3? Literally everything in the OP is the exact same, I opposed in that SAME THREAD on how it must be a different consciousness, which really it doesn't matter cause that Tensura one passed anyway.

So we both have a conclusion, that the 9 vessels sharing the same consciousness doesn't matter, because they had this exact same scenario and it passed nonetheless.

 

[Mbpoops]

Well, the vessels are their own individual and when Lygus failed to kill Nous due to Cyrene, there are his other 8 vessels that would replace Lygus in their task of killing Nous, so yeah it's definitely Acausality Type 3 here.

Thats just multilocation + avatar creation…

Not to mention those vessels dont replace the one that died they all do their own things they dont exist in different timelines entirely

 

[Voidnether]

Thats just multilocation + avatar creation…

Not to mention those vessels dont replace the one that died they all do their own things they dont exist in different timelines entirely

Did you ever read the Tensura thread I linked above? I said to them it's just Multilocation + Avatar Creation, but it's not and it's actually Acausality (Type 3) because the thread passed regardless even with this exact same problem. They definitely exist in different timelines lmao, it's stated "various space-times"

 

[Vietthai96]

Individual as in literal alternate self, mean they possesses their own consciousness and mind, not sharing one consciousness, because that count as one individual splitting yourself

 

[Voidnether]

Individual as in literal alternate self, mean they possesses their own consciousness and mind, not sharing one consciousness, because that count as one individual splitting yourself

Well, Tensura shared one consciousness and it's still Acausality (Type 3) so that one should go too, I don't really mind because what you quoted here is the exact problem I had with their Acausality (Type 3) originally. Lygus having Acausality (Type 3) is also something I got from them, I'd say this is changing the standards though because this is not what Acausality (Type 3) is.

 

[Mbpoops]

Btw this wouldve prolly gone unnoticed if you mfs didnt put it IN THE UES PAGE??? DOES THIS MEAN EVERY ERUDITION USER HAS TYPE 3???

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Imaginary_Energy_(Honkai)#:~:text=the%20process%5B173%5D)-,Erudition

 

[Mbpoops]

Well, Tensura shared one consciousness and it's still Acausality (Type 3) so that one should go too, I don't really mind because what you quoted here is the exact problem I had with their Acausality (Type 3) originally. Lygus having Acausality (Type 3) is also something I got from them, I'd say this is changing the standards though because this is not what Acausality (Type 3) is.

“B-but tensura” this isnt about tensura.

 

[Voidnether]

“B-but tensura” this isnt about tensura.

Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Wonder what the next Path is after Elation.. Trailblaze, Beauty, Permanence, Order, Voracity and Propagation are straight up impossible cause they are either dead/missing. Equilibrium and Finality are, interesting but I'm not sure given how OP they are but Enigmata is just weird as hell, idk. I...

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Lygus Acausality (Type 3) is derived from how Tensura get its Acausality (Type 3), I said this back in August 2025 man

 

[Mbpoops]

Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Wonder what the next Path is after Elation.. Trailblaze, Beauty, Permanence, Order, Voracity and Propagation are straight up impossible cause they are either dead/missing. Equilibrium and Finality are, interesting but I'm not sure given how OP they are but Enigmata is just weird as hell, idk. I...

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Lygus Acausality (Type 3) is derived from how Tensura get its Acausality (Type 3), I said this back in August 2025 man

I dont care??? Because this isnt about tensura this is about lygus and he doesnt have type 3 this is the most blatant multilocation

 

[Voidnether]

I disagree.

This is how Tensura's Acausality (Type 3) is written:


The scans being:



And the scans for Lygus being:


I fail to see how is this not Acausality (Type 3) given Tensura has it for granted "as long as there's at least one other "alternate" of hers left, that could serve as her main one." which is what Zandar is, even if Lycurgus failed to kill Nous during The Amphoreus Experiment, we know that there are still other 8 Zandars left that would replace Lygus and begin with the main objective; Killing Nous because as long as there's still different Thought Fragments of Zandar (which there is one) then that one would just straight up replace the original and continue on with killing Nous, the Aeon of Erudition.

Right, so how is the part I bolded a problem again? When you have something similar in Tensura which is Acausality (Type 3):

Which is what I especially bolded on the previous reply of mine. I don't know how Terminus and Fuli existing is a disqualifier, when it explicitly says "various space-time across the cosmos":

I would also like to point out this:

Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Wonder what the next Path is after Elation.. Trailblaze, Beauty, Permanence, Order, Voracity and Propagation are straight up impossible cause they are either dead/missing. Equilibrium and Finality are, interesting but I'm not sure given how OP they are but Enigmata is just weird as hell, idk. I...

vsbattles.com

The idea of Lygus being Acausality (Type 3) is something I got, and referenced from Tensura so if Lygus is not getting it from the exact same reason I made years ago that "they're still the same consciousness" which you know, back then Astral got it approved despite my disagreement as they're not different versions and just duplications scattered across different space-time continuums for Tensura, yet it was accepted

I won't debate further though, but if say this is removed then just know there's a potential for Tensura one to also be removed, because they're practically the same thing

I legit said this for Tensura:

And Astral still got it accepted, so yes it sharing the same consciousness IS NOT A PROBLEM at all.

Btw, what I said all here is textbook Acausality (Type 3), you can check the screenshots below

I really don't see them being different here, like it's the exact same sorry to say and if we're changing the standards due to this thread (given this thread is the exact same reasoning why I opposed Tensura's Acausality Type 3 originally, then that should go too)

 

[Thanganimator]

Do y'all never grow tired? You even stamina-diffed a mod into retirement

Rip reiner

 

[Voidnether]

I dont care??? Because this isnt about tensura this is about lygus and he doesnt have type 3 this is the most blatant multilocation

And that's what I said over there back in October 2024, and you know, it's still Acausality (Type 3). So I don't really care bro because it's still type 3 acausality unless we're changing the standards

 

[Mbpoops]

And that's what I said over there back in October 2024, and you know, it's still Acausality (Type 3). So I don't really care bro because it's still type 3 acausality unless we're changing the standards

The difference is that in tensura those “copies” specifically replace the original when they are killed lygus doesnt do that. They all have their own consciousness and ideals the do their own things. Thats at most multilocation not type 3 at all. If it was something like funny valentine then yea id agree but its not even close

 

[Mbpoops]

Like even astral said that in the message you posted They can replace each other lygus doesnt do this

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Individual as in literal alternate self, mean they possesses their own consciousness and mind, not sharing one consciousness, because that count as one individual splitting yourself

Can I add you towards in favour of agreement ? (I just woke up not long ago)

 

[Hecky2222]

“B-but tensura” this isnt about tensura.

^

Whataboutism shouldn't be your weapon in argument

 

[Mbpoops]

You genuienly cannot give a good reason as to why acausality type 3 is on the UES page? Does every erudition user have it?

 

[Vietthai96]

I really don't see them being different here, like it's the exact same sorry to say and if we're changing the standards due to this thread (given this thread is the exact same reasoning why I opposed Tensura's Acausality Type 3 originally, then that should go too)

Changing what standard?. The standard is still the same?

 

[MSahla]

Why are we even brought "we should change the standard" just because the feats doesn't qualify for it

Like..

 

[SuperNova55555]

Clones = Acausality Type 3

 

[Hecky2222]

Nova = femboy

 

[Voidnether]

The difference is that in tensura those “copies” specifically replace the original when they are killed lygus doesnt do that. They all have their own consciousness and ideals the do their own things. Thats at most multilocation not type 3 at all. If it was something like funny valentine then yea id agree but its not even close

They replaced the original though? It was their goal that even if Lygus failed, they'd continue on to try and kill Nous, the Aeon of Erudition anyway.

Like even astral said that in the message you posted They can replace each other lygus doesnt do this

Which is what I'm arguing for, I don't know how you BLATANTLY ignored that there are 8 of his Vessels left that's going to kill Nous, and replacing Lygus since.

^

Whataboutism shouldn't be your weapon in argument

What part is whataboutism if his Acausality Type 3 is derived from it, LMFAO?

Changing what standard?. The standard is still the same?

Why are we even brought "we should change the standard" just because the feats doesn't qualify for it

Like..

"So your point isn't really an argument, but rather just ignorance of the standards." I lowkey could say the same to y'all cause the whole point of Acausality Type 3 is about different versions of oneself existing in different space-times that can act as replacements for each other which is what Lygus other 8 vessels are doing.

 

[Mbpoops]

Lygus, a being with countless timelines branching from him due to mwi, only has 8 vessels he can replace himself with… seems legit

 

[Hecky2222]

What part is whataboutism if his Acausality Type 3 is derived from it, LMFAO?

I guess bro

your goat agrees with me so

 

[Mbpoops]

Need i mention these spacetimes are just different galaxies

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Y'all
Can we like, please, not use other verses to qualify our own verses for smth? At least not without knowing said verse greatly

Nether, Stop larping
Anyways

Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

You don't need to have or not have "splitting Consciousness" shenanigans going on. As long as the different versions can each act completely independently and don't need to receive orders from some main source, it works.

To begin with, each verse has their own definition of consciousness and how dividing it effects the person, we do not judge that. You're writing smth that neither qualifies or disqualifies an Aca3 smh

Enlighten me, do these fragments act completely independently (they have their own thought process while retaining their original identity) or na?
(And don't send me scans in the form of 5 pages of text walls)

Edit: reading pookie scoop's comment since it didn't load before; if they aren't scattered across 2C distance and exist under the same time axis, they can't be Aca3 even if they're each independent. But I'm not involving myself with cosmology so y'all solve it amongst yourself

 

[Furina003]

Agree with CRT

 

[Cipher72]

You're writing smth that neither qualifies or disqualifies an Aca5 smh

Agree with Aca5 UES

 

[Mbpoops]

Agree with Aca5 UES

Acausality type 3 for the entire path of erudition btw

I really wanna touch the ues page but man this verse (and staff) needs a break