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It just says the balance is off. As in it doesnt function as it should. Also sounds weird to say "Balance governs it but actually doesnt exist there".
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Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist
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No, its due to the fact the Realm of Madness is shifted to evil. The Balance still affects it
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@Robo432343
It is still qualify for PP due to nonexistence and existence, though idk is Type 2 solid enough, well you can argue for existence and nonexistence is just minor part of all and nothing and that they encompasses all logical dualities within the verse, let see Spaceman opinion on this
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So it is still qualify. Though the profile format is suck
Hmm, no scan, so idk if the justificatiom is correct or not
Not qualify
Before the nondual revision. The last major revision for the physiology page is 24 February 2025, nondual revision was applied in October 2025
It is still qualify for PP due to nonexistence and existence, though idk is Type 2 solid enough, well you can argue for existence and nonexistence is just minor part of all and nothing and that they encompasses all logical dualities within the verse, let see Spaceman opinion on this
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It's because it is the unity of existent things. The Primordial Chaos is just the Creator as unified without distinction. OC is PC at differing stages of unity. Since they are the same exact thing. Properly speaking "nonexistence" here is just referring to nonduality as appearing as such, which has nothing to do with actual logical contradictions, but since the standards don't care about this at all, it would still qualify.
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Didn't the Creator was evaluated after the nondual revision?
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Yes
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I mean, Megami Tensei... But with the All-in-One and One-in-All (just like Cthulhu Mythos which inspired said thing) along with the words from Kether giving Differentiation to Every single thing in creation. It should retain as Type 2
But ofc there's WAY more were that came from
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Precisely, yes. Information (composed of bits i.e. 1 & 0) can also create logical negations apart from the usual ones of existence and nonexistence. The Imaginative Force (and God Altair) are completely devoid of and unbound from this information while also transcending creation including the Oblivion.
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If it was accepted after the standards were changed, then I won't argue against it further. But you could probably use an improvement in wording or a Note to explain "Time" includes timeless realms for whatever reason.
Also, I found that the translation is a bit wrong:
sorry
I know that, but I haven't been able to distinguish them.
Is there a way to tell which ratings have already been accepted and which ones are old?
Since the old profiles and the newly evaluated ones are both linked to the same page and appear in the list I'm using, it's difficult to distinguish between them.
Or should I just rely on the profiles that members post here?
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The characters used 狭間 means in-between or the "gap" in-between. The only logic (no pun intended) to me is that it is in between Time and its nonexistent variant, since it's already established in the series.
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I'm in the middle of revising the verse including the Demon Realm anyway anyway
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I posted this in the previous thread but i'll post it with the scans here, this is for The Sage Who Transcended Samsara
The paraconsistency is for the singularity that is the source of and end point of every phenomena, at lowest state of Taiji every contradictory things is tolerated at the highest state of Wuji there would be no logic
Other than that a relatively mid-tier Buddhist cultivator in the verse can already activate a state where it is "not alive not not alive not dead not not dead" (which would be included in phenomena)
The paraconsistency is for the singularity that is the source of and end point of every phenomena, at lowest state of Taiji every contradictory things is tolerated at the highest state of Wuji there would be no logic
Other than that a relatively mid-tier Buddhist cultivator in the verse can already activate a state where it is "not alive not not alive not dead not not dead" (which would be included in phenomena)
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I think this is the updated version of the justification.
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I feel the same about the above.
Yeah, this would be Type 1.
We can only evaluate what's on the profile. And if you get this added to the profile, there would be no reason to have it checked a second time here.
Only what's on the current profile can be evaluated.
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Udlmaster
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Might have found an instance of it (BTW, I do have a more concrete one but I'm intentionally holding off as an exercise to make sure I can form a more complete view than just relying on my previous work):
Objects brought to the High Umbra lose all physical aspect and are stripped down to become entirely spiritually conceptual, you can't even interact with them properly (note we are talking about Mages, so they obviously can interact with them, but Mages are literally built different) as they become pure functions:
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nothing unless it's one that offers some immunity in-verse. It can be just a decorative ability, a resistance of sort or immunity to certain things
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Checks out.
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Got curious while editing Edison, would being the very concept of space-time (Shiei no Sona Nyl: Unknown Author Description), while simultaneously existing as absolute nothingness (Shikkoku no Sharnoth, Chapter 10), having no time (Shikkoku no Sharnoth, Chapter 10) nor space qualify? Edison and M already have paraconsistent physiology due to being both nothing, and everything, existence and nonexistence, but I wonder if we can add on to it.
Also M was stated to be neither good nor evil (The Ashen Funeral of Nath-Hortath, or Sharnoth of the Jet Black)
Also M was stated to be neither good nor evil (The Ashen Funeral of Nath-Hortath, or Sharnoth of the Jet Black)
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concepts of space and time already arent spatial or temporal typically and sanely
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Space-Time and Good and Evil can be dualities, but are not counted as logical negations for PP.
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@FriendOfTheTeaParty It's both, WABS as a series does a lot of seemingly paradoxical stuff like Kikai existing only as non-physical possibilities, while at the same time, other kikai can reduce them to atoms, Meta=Critters being emotions, equations etc, while at the same time being made of elements ie earth, this is all acknowledged as being ridiculous and due to the fact all the supernatural entities disregard logic.
Sharnoth which is M/Edison is nothing, an ordinary person in there experiences and sees nothing, however someone with the Golden Eye, a piece of AZZT, who is God essentially, perceives the nothingness as actual structures such as buildings. Edison explicitly exists within a void, but this "void" also again has a thone which he sits, and a building ,same as M.
Anyway while M for example is the very concept of nothingness/darkness, he can exists as both matter, and all darkness, so essentially they are both their concepts, and the very physical thing they are the concepts of, hence why I haven't bothered to removed HDE from them.
Sharnoth which is M/Edison is nothing, an ordinary person in there experiences and sees nothing, however someone with the Golden Eye, a piece of AZZT, who is God essentially, perceives the nothingness as actual structures such as buildings. Edison explicitly exists within a void, but this "void" also again has a thone which he sits, and a building ,same as M.
Anyway while M for example is the very concept of nothingness/darkness, he can exists as both matter, and all darkness, so essentially they are both their concepts, and the very physical thing they are the concepts of, hence why I haven't bothered to removed HDE from them.
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Well, doing something paradoxical is Logic Manipulation, not PP.
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So you're saying I should argue for logic manipulation for all supernatural beings in WABS
Back to M/Edison, while M is the very concept of darkness, he also has many traits/manifestations, the reason he can exist as matter is because everything in the universe from the galaxies to the infinite darkness that encompasses is one of his many traits. Basically as posted before, this is why no one exists in Sharnoth, while simultaneously everyone exists there, because M is both nothing, and everything.
Outer Gods are their literal concepts, while at the same time the manifestations of their concepts, so Edison is all of space-time, while simultaneously is nothingness without space-time, anyway if space-time isn't a negation its a bust, but seems we may have some luck with Cracking Beings having logic manipulation, which I really discounted up to this point.
Back to M/Edison, while M is the very concept of darkness, he also has many traits/manifestations, the reason he can exist as matter is because everything in the universe from the galaxies to the infinite darkness that encompasses is one of his many traits. Basically as posted before, this is why no one exists in Sharnoth, while simultaneously everyone exists there, because M is both nothing, and everything.
Outer Gods are their literal concepts, while at the same time the manifestations of their concepts, so Edison is all of space-time, while simultaneously is nothingness without space-time, anyway if space-time isn't a negation its a bust, but seems we may have some luck with Cracking Beings having logic manipulation, which I really discounted up to this point.
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Its when something that is Existentially Paradoxical as a state of being, is when its Paraconsistent.
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You can also neither be existent nor not existent, and neither of its negations and derivations and just be a totally different value. For example if
A=Existence
B=Non existence
AB is both non existence and existence at the same time, and ¬AB is not existence and not existence, But C state is something different...I think that is how I understood, the page doesn't explain much.
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So like being nonexistent, while simultaneously existing as steel? That's what Meta=Critters are btw.
Now that I think about it, Underground Residents are also nonexistent, but due to Refrain where they die and resurrect, they simultaneously exist as metal.
Depending on the answer, might be both PP, and logic manipulation because Cracking Beings are beings made up of Cracking, and also their abilities are Cracking, which Cracking is an irrational thing which disregards logic, Cracking Beings are supernatural beings which shouldn't even exist, but exist anyway.
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NEP Type 2 & 3 is basically PP for anything related to existing and not existing.
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Yeah specifically both at the same time.
As to me, 0 is regular Nonexistence (Type 1), 1 is Normal Existence, -1 is Nonexistence (Type 2) as its (neither 0 nor 1). As three States are minimum requirement for Paraconsistency (given its supposedly to break dualistic logic), being all three of them altogether (-1, 0 & 1) grants Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1: Existence【3 States】)
As to me, 0 is regular Nonexistence (Type 1), 1 is Normal Existence, -1 is Nonexistence (Type 2) as its (neither 0 nor 1). As three States are minimum requirement for Paraconsistency (given its supposedly to break dualistic logic), being all three of them altogether (-1, 0 & 1) grants Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1: Existence【3 States】)
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Isn’t that wrong, the minimum is either (0 and 1), (-1) or (not -1)? the page says “Typically, entities of such a nature have some property that is not true for them and, at the same time, not false for them. Instead, it might be both true and false, neither true nor false, or in a third logical state that isn't true and false.“.
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No... As it is specific to those three Individual states. That thing being (not) true would be their inherent existence.
Both False and True is Nonexistent Physiology (Type 3) as that is both 0 & 1 respectively. Neither False nor True is Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2), neither 0 & 1 (which in this case is -1, this is the Third State.) and/or is All three of them. That's the point
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Doesn’t that go directly against what the page says “it might be both true and false, neither true nor false”? 0 is one state 1 is another, (0 and 1) or (-1) is the state that breaks that duality.
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Exactly... Breaking that duality is what gives PP
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Pre-emptively, I'll sling Doctor Who's future Cacophany on here:
She's the embodiment of all the Irrationality in the Universe, before logic and rules and laws were even set down:
She's the embodiment of all the Irrationality in the Universe, before logic and rules and laws were even set down:
Her form is described multiple times to occupy all shapes and states, even ones that couldn't possibly exist and to be in general irrational:
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Maybe PP Type 1 for the Shapes thing, the rest is just really weird eldritch stuff.
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Might need more context, since in Doctor Who, it does give Logic states to the Rational Universe, with there being an analogue between each colour in the Rainbow and the amount of logic states:
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I mean it was never a question about whether logic states exist or not.
I was just saying, aside from the shapes existing and not existing, the rest isn't really related to logical states.
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Oh yeah, the main thing is that it's a feature of the Rational Universe, not the Irrational Universe which Cacophany represents. Before the Time Lords set down rationality and logic as the ruling principles of Reality it didn't apply to the Irrational Universe.
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