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You aren't able to have HDE and AE anymore, and HDE means **** and all when it comes to stopping deadline from getting kicked in the ass by metaphysical hax, so Tensura should be able to comfortably take the spot
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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Bobsican
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Hax still generally fails against HDE if it lacks the range, unless it's of the "target affects themselves" kind as explained there, it being metaphysical doesn't really matter as it's still in the same sort of limitations (as much they aren't inherently 1-A for example).
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Does BDE still get affected by HDE
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Nah
Range problems
Yeah, the 6D part of Deadline is destroyed, but that's below infinitesimal damage to the totality of it
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the one prior to that may have something to say
This should be meaning incon, then
because Rimuru may not be able to properly finish or incap Deadline's 8-D ass, but he can affect all space in his 6-D surroundings making it basically impossible for Deadline to do the same
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Yeah, that's an obvious incon, but since Spot 1 didn't get their PP2 removed, the placements remain the same
Nonynho
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Shouldn't they be tied on the spot instead of it remaining 100% the same?
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Depends on whoever you think does a better job at being higher
Bobsican
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Deadline can just erase Rimuru's entire cosmology going by the profile
Nonynho
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Rimuru passively and actively affects the space around him in several ways that'd proc what i sent, if he touches his 6-D surroundings he's affected in the touched area
so he kinda can't
Bobsican
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He doesn't have to touch the cosmology to inflict the EE, and even then this is a non-argument as we're talking of a quantitative superiority (multiple even, given this is an 8-D against a 6-D) that'd have relative smurf potency on grounds of being concentrated, so Rimuru can't do anything about it to begin with.
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Even if could (which he can't, cuz NEP, layers, HGR, resistance, etc). That wouldn't really matter much to Rimuru
He canonically survives such
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Which doesn't matter? You do realize that Metaphysics don't care for dimensionality, like, at all?
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Hax page, the AE+HDE revisions, multiple mods in this very thread
Should I go on?
Oh, and yes, there's also BDE1
Which means he doesn't directly operate on dimensional systems anyway
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That 6-D scale is where Deadline can't affect Rimuru without being affected by his abilities
Everything from R^1 to R^6 is both where Rimuru is and where, if touched by Deadline, the area touched gets affected by whatever Rimuru does
All of that based on the Resistance page's description
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This makes no functional difference aside from range. You don't have more potent Existence Erasure for range unless its 1-A. Certainly not to the degree of ignoring High-Godly regeneration.
Rimuru can't do anything to Deadline but likewise, Deadline cannot put down Rimuru permanently.
Bobsican
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The hax page does currently list the act of concentrating a quantitatively superior ability to a lower range as making it smurf, unless that's outdated?
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In a direct sense of being more quantitatively potent than it would be otherwise, not in the sense of bypassing any and every counter of a lower-dimensional being.
This is for if Rimuru only had baseline resistance to Existence Erasure, and Deadline could concentrate his far higher range variant onto a 6-dimensional cosmology.
It doesn’t grant interaction with Nonexistent Physiology or High-Godly regeneration negation or anything of the sort.
Bobsican
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So those abilities can apply even when a given cosmology is destroyed even beyond its dimensionality?
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There isn't really anything like "destruction beyond its dimensionality"
Because the if the cosmology is 6D, it's 6D
There's simply nothing beyond that, nothing to destroy, so why would it matter?
Me destroying a sheet of paper (figuratively 2D) hold no difference to the sheet even compared to it being destroyed alongside the the universe
It's destroyed
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Dimensionality is just the extent of space-time it occupies, not some special level of existence. Certain forms of abstract existence don't care about this at all.
Second order effects can affect them (a non-acasual being would cease to exist due to their past being destroyed, an abstract existence of a dependent concept would no longer have a reality to be anchored to etc) but in and of itself, it doesn't negate all abilities or anything.
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Hi guys, a bit off-topic from the Rimuru discussion, but why is DBH ranked 9th in the 1-C tier? The verse has reached 7D, plus they've got characters like Dogi Dogi Fu and UT Goku with 9 layers of Time Power. 
Bobsican
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Presumably because no one has nominated them by now, the only real competition at that dimensionality is Rimuru from a glance.Hi guys, a bit off-topic from the Rimuru discussion, but why is DBH ranked 9th in the 1-C tier? The verse has reached 7D, plus they've got characters like Dogi Dogi Fu and UT Goku with 9 layers of Time Power.
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Now that I think about it, what is the reason Subaru is above Neo in 9-B? What does Subaru do, exactly? I know the time loop, but that's about it. I assume it is because of Beatrice (though it is optional, so idk)?
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Bump
Yo, doesn't seem controversial
Except for whether they should be tied with Deadline or be below it
Deadline can't affect them cuz NEP and passive EE of whatever that comes close, but they can't fully affect it either, cuz 8D HDE vs 6D range
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I just checked out the Rimuru vs Alpha match. I don't think DBH can deal with Rimuru due to the sheer amount of EE and EE resistance layers he seems to have. I'll create a match-up just in case though.
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Can you wait a bit on that
Need to properly implement that thing on profiles
Plus it may or may not be a controversial matchup, but this rarely stops people nowadays
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Dragonite007
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Done
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many hax layers of info 2 type hax , reality warping and law hax.
Bobsican
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From what I recall dimensional superiority has more priority than just inconning for the purposes of placement, given that the list is of the strongest characters for every tier, rather than the hardest ones to kill for every tier, so I'd also think that Slime should just be moved to 3rd, come to think about it.
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They do have more hax variety, layering and etc
Otherwise I wouldn't even propose a shared spot
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If we're talking about deadline here, the only thing that he has superior to Tensura is his tier; everything else that's non-dimensional structure-related is far surpassed by them.
So yeah, if strongest means purely "tier", then Deadline is stronger, if it means "stronger" in any other way, Tensura takes this, if they mean in a fight, it's an incon...
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Any idea of the effects of them and if they're thought based/passive
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The thing you quoted
1) Doesn't say that it only works for equal stats
2) Talks about tiebreaker, not tieformer
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Actual question, though, can Deadline even nuke the cosmology if the entire cosmology is just IM2? (I personally don't think so, even if he is higher-dimensional)
