Jepilstiltskin
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Given this thread, it is now possible for verses with R>F Transcendence to be evaluated for certain tiers without requiring explicit 1-A-level feats. As such, I'd like to apply that standard to Shadow Fight while waiting for this thread to finally pass, whether that takes another few months or a few years. That said, I honestly have no idea how quickly either thread is going to be resolved. As a result, the proposed tier would ultimately depend on timing.
If this revision is evaluated before the aforementioned thread is accepted, then the rating would be “Low 1-C” under the current standards. If it is evaluated afterward, then it would instead qualify for “1-C, possibly 1-A”. Likewise, if this revision is accepted first as “Low 1-C”, but the aforementioned thread is later approved, the rating would subsequently be upgraded to “1-C, possibly 1-A” to reflect the revised standards.
In any case, here is the explanation:
For your information, Shadow Fight had previously been proposed for a Low 1-C rating through R>F Transcendence. The reasoning itself was generally considered logical, but the proposal happened at a time when the standards regarding R>F Transcendence were in the process of changing. As a result, several votes shifted toward disagreement, not necessarily because the argument was unsound, but because the underlying standards were uncertain.
With that in mind, I believe the evidence presented here is sufficiently clear and should, at the very least, warrant classification as a False R>F relationship under the current framework.
Agree:
Neutral
Disagree:
If this revision is evaluated before the aforementioned thread is accepted, then the rating would be “Low 1-C” under the current standards. If it is evaluated afterward, then it would instead qualify for “1-C, possibly 1-A”. Likewise, if this revision is accepted first as “Low 1-C”, but the aforementioned thread is later approved, the rating would subsequently be upgraded to “1-C, possibly 1-A” to reflect the revised standards.
In any case, here is the explanation:
Beyond the world of Shadow Fight lies another reality: the world of the Real, the Real World, and ultimately the realm of the creators behind Shadow Fight and everything within it. This is a reality where everything seen throughout Shadow Fight is treated as mere fiction and plaything, a script and collection of film roles in the Architect's hand, a film production with actors, a game, a stage where everyone plays a predetermined role, a plot, and even words on paper. Ultimately, the lives of the characters are viewed as nothing more than a fantasy narrative.
The entirety of existence is directed and controlled by these beings as though it were following a script, and there's literally nothing they could do to prevent it as everything even down to this moment is a cause of writing. This is evidently true, as everything is just a part of Architect's figment spoiled-mind, and that everything is possible in his head. These higher entities are represented as originating from Nekki itself, as demonstrated by the Puppeteer controlling the Shadow Fight 2 VK account (translation), and by Architect possessing every Nekki game in existence within what he calls the “Creator's Archive”. This interpretation is further supported by a developer statement confirming that Architect serves as the screenwriter of Shadow Fight 2 and that his appearance is intended to break the fourth wall. Given the text is very straightforward, I don't think we need an official translation for that. This is also directly referenced by his armor, appropriately titled “Fourth Wall”, which features a shattered-glass design symbolizing the concept of fourth-wall breaking.
These beings possess the authority to destroy the game world and rewrite it from scratch, all for the purpose of entertaining the audience. The Architect later demonstrates this once again during his appearance in Shades, where his entire role within the event is to assist the player in completing it. At one point, even Shadow appears confused by Architect's behavior, prompting Architect to explain that his actions are for the audience. Importantly, this scene implies that the game-world mechanics themselves are canon. As a result, concepts such as HP, damage values, and similar gameplay systems possess in-universe legitimacy rather than existing solely as gameplay abstractions.
The validity of this interpretation is further reinforced by the Architect's ability to retroactively alter the narrative. He rewrote the stakes of an event, transforming what was originally a relatively boring or as Architect puts it a “cliche” situation into a clear and more serious intent solely to satisfy the audience's expectations. Notably, these alterations occurred before the event itself even began, as evidenced by Sensei's inability to recognize Ermine despite Ermine's confidence that they already knew each other.
Because the Architect views everything as fictional characters within an ongoing production, his worldview including frequent references to the audience appears completely alien to the inhabitants of the fictional world. He also demonstrates extensive knowledge of virtually every event throughout the Shadow Fight franchise, which is unsurprising given his role in creating them. The only limitation shown is occasional uncertainty regarding the timelines of particular story. As everything is possible in his head, he is even capable of creating a personal “training arc” for Shadow, allowing him to become stronger in less than a minute.
The entirety of existence is directed and controlled by these beings as though it were following a script, and there's literally nothing they could do to prevent it as everything even down to this moment is a cause of writing. This is evidently true, as everything is just a part of Architect's figment spoiled-mind, and that everything is possible in his head. These higher entities are represented as originating from Nekki itself, as demonstrated by the Puppeteer controlling the Shadow Fight 2 VK account (translation), and by Architect possessing every Nekki game in existence within what he calls the “Creator's Archive”. This interpretation is further supported by a developer statement confirming that Architect serves as the screenwriter of Shadow Fight 2 and that his appearance is intended to break the fourth wall. Given the text is very straightforward, I don't think we need an official translation for that. This is also directly referenced by his armor, appropriately titled “Fourth Wall”, which features a shattered-glass design symbolizing the concept of fourth-wall breaking.
These beings possess the authority to destroy the game world and rewrite it from scratch, all for the purpose of entertaining the audience. The Architect later demonstrates this once again during his appearance in Shades, where his entire role within the event is to assist the player in completing it. At one point, even Shadow appears confused by Architect's behavior, prompting Architect to explain that his actions are for the audience. Importantly, this scene implies that the game-world mechanics themselves are canon. As a result, concepts such as HP, damage values, and similar gameplay systems possess in-universe legitimacy rather than existing solely as gameplay abstractions.
The validity of this interpretation is further reinforced by the Architect's ability to retroactively alter the narrative. He rewrote the stakes of an event, transforming what was originally a relatively boring or as Architect puts it a “cliche” situation into a clear and more serious intent solely to satisfy the audience's expectations. Notably, these alterations occurred before the event itself even began, as evidenced by Sensei's inability to recognize Ermine despite Ermine's confidence that they already knew each other.
Because the Architect views everything as fictional characters within an ongoing production, his worldview including frequent references to the audience appears completely alien to the inhabitants of the fictional world. He also demonstrates extensive knowledge of virtually every event throughout the Shadow Fight franchise, which is unsurprising given his role in creating them. The only limitation shown is occasional uncertainty regarding the timelines of particular story. As everything is possible in his head, he is even capable of creating a personal “training arc” for Shadow, allowing him to become stronger in less than a minute.
For your information, Shadow Fight had previously been proposed for a Low 1-C rating through R>F Transcendence. The reasoning itself was generally considered logical, but the proposal happened at a time when the standards regarding R>F Transcendence were in the process of changing. As a result, several votes shifted toward disagreement, not necessarily because the argument was unsound, but because the underlying standards were uncertain.
With that in mind, I believe the evidence presented here is sufficiently clear and should, at the very least, warrant classification as a False R>F relationship under the current framework.
Agree:
Neutral
Disagree:
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