TenSura LN Revision — Miscellaneous Additions and Removals

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hello everyone, hope ya'll are doing well. This thread aims to simply update pre-existing information on the pages, such as assigning what layer a hax is, or some minor additions that were forgotten but should be self-evident.

Table of Contents​

Physics Manipulation
Magic can rewrite the Laws of Physics through the Laws of Magic.

Resurrection Negation Resistance
True Dragons (Rimuru included) and Milim should get resistance to Resurrection Negation (High Godly [Concept, Information]) as they can resurrect even after Initialize Heaven, which is HGR negation.

Either resistance or a layer of resurrection. I'm not quite sure which one in particular fits better than the other.

God's Large Size
The Large Size (Type 10) from it should be removed since it shares the same description with God's NEP and BDE1, following the revision in AE and HDE standards.

Text Manipulation

Spoiler: Changes

So DL key Rimuru has this:

• Text Manipulation (Rimuru was able to rewrite the narrative of his recorded actions, erasing the negative things and replacing it with positive making everyone else memory think and see Rimuru in positive light)

Except, the way it's worded is heavily misleading. It makes it seem like this "narrative" is a metaphysical aspect, when it's not. It's just referring to him changing text recorded in a history book about him and Temepst. So change it to something like:

Text Manipulation (Rimuru can change texts written inside books)

I was gonna say nuke it, but it could probably be used in very specific scenarios where the enemies' powers rely on something written on a book (like Death Note).

Veldanava

Spoiler: Changes

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:

• All Abilities derived from Skills in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

VoTW/World Language

Spoiler: Changes

The current AP justification is:

Attack Potency: Complex Multiverse level (The World Language is a phenomenon present in all places, even in material worlds without magic such as Earth or isolated dimensions like the Imaginary Space. The World/The System can create infinite parallel timelines to prevent paradoxes that may occur due to Chloe's time travel. The Laws of World/The System, govern all of these infinite parallel timelines)

But it's repetitive and unnecessarily lengthy. Trim it down to:

Attack Potency: Complex Multiverse level (The World Language is an ever-present phenomena existing in all places, all of Time and Space, Timelines and Parallel Universes, Worlds and Dimensions)

Additionally, it was accepted in this thread that VoTW holds all skills and grants them. All phenomena realized by skills and magic is done through the World Language. So it should have something similar to Veldanava:

• All Abilities derived from Skills and Magic in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

God's Nonexistence

Spoiler: Changes

Yeah currently it has no Aspect Types. They were proposed here but since the thread got retconned due to GHS page only covering the infinity key, it was abandoned. These are the aspects it should have:

Nonexistence Physiology (Nature Type 2, All Aspects [Others: Laws & Phenomena/Events [Space & Time, Causality, Life & Death, Fate & History, Probability, etc.])

All aspects except the last 3 are upscaled from here. Fate and History are elaborated upon here, but can also be obtained through lacking the existence of the world, which has this. Additionally, Phenomena/Events is not to be confused with Causality, as it refers to practically anything that exists in-verse. Per say, even Void Collapse (which should be beyond Abyss) is a "Phenomena/Event", and it is separate from Laws (which includes causality) and fate.

Probability is from here. Since it's currently accepted that skills are part of the laws of the world, so to say laws themselves, the "thing" they manipulate would ultimately be their Law (i.e., much like how Shion's skill is based on law of causality, cuz it manipulates causality). So it's not something like "it's just a special thing their power manipulates" but that what their power manipulates are themselves fundamental things governing reality.

God, being NEP to the World, lack this aspect too.

Suspended World

Spoiler: Changes

Adding NPI to Suspended World:

Non-Physical Interaction (Laws, Concepts (Type 1), Mind, Soul, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, All Aspects {Others: Space & Time, Law & Causality, Life & Death}] - Suspended World can effect Spiritual Lifeforms, including Demons)

Additionally, this point:

• Power Nullification (Suspended World makes it impossible to use any magicule based skills including abilities like regeneration or resurrection, and this would also apply to Digital Lifeforms who are not affected by time and can move in the Suspended World. Suspended World could effectively defeat Diablo by preventing him from resurrecting, Rimuru who could perceive the Suspended World admitted that he wouldn't be able to deal with Michael attack and would try to fight again "next time". In other words, he had no choice but to return to a later point only if the Suspended World has been released)

Should be reworded to:

• Power Nullification, Resurrection Negation and Immortality Negation(Type 3 & 4 [High Godly; Concept {Type 1} and Information {Type 2}], 6, 8, 9; Suspended World makes it impossible to use any magicule-based skills, including abilities like regeneration or resurrection; Suspended World could effectively defeat Diablo by preventing him from resurrecting; Rimuru, who could perceive the Suspended World, admitted that he wouldn't be able to deal with Michael's attack and would try to fight again "next time". In other words, he had no choice but to return to a later point after resurrecting only if the Suspended World has been released, despite having a Soul Corridor)

So the original argument for why it was power null and not regen/resurrection null, from an old thread, was that it negates Skills. However, the reason I'm adding resurrection and immortality negation is cuz:

1. Diablo's regen is a primordial's intrinsic regenerative nature, it is not some "Skill". So it should strictly be regen negation.
2. Soul Corridor is also not a "Skill", considering it isn't treated as such (I can't give you proof of "it isn't a skill" cuz there's no context of it being a skill to begin with).

Immortality Negation comes from Soul Corridor stuff as listed in Rimuru's profile.

Ultimate Skill Resistances

Spoiler: Changes

Remove this:

Minor Resistance to:

• Deconstruction (Ultimate Skill users can resist Dino's Ultimate Skill ability on a minor scale that turns its target to dust. Ultimate Skill Belphegor is evolved version of Sloth. Deeno had used Ultimate Skill Astarte to evolve his Unique Skill Sloth to Ultimate Skill Belphegor)

And replace it with a full-on resistance based on:

Resistance to

• Power Nullification, Power Modification, Resistance Negation, Law Manipulation (3 Layers), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 - 3 Layers) and Information Manipulation (Type 2), Fusionism, Fissionism and Limited Existence Erasure (Resistance to Shizue's Unique Skill: Deviant)

Abyss

Spoiler: Changes

Add:

Paraconsistent Nature (Type 1; Existence & Nonexistence)

Since it's accepted that Abyss is neither the nothingness of Hell nor existence, so this should be simple.

General Concept Page

Spoiler: Changes

At the end of the Ability sub-heading of magicule section, add:

Note: Characters can infuse their Aura into their own attacks. This allows them to harm beings like Spiritual Lifeforms and Demons.

And change this:

• Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Others: Space & Time, Life & Death, Law & Causality] - A True Dragon can neutralize even the Abyss of Hell with their Positive Energy)

To:

• Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Others: Space & Time, Life & Death, Law & Causality]) and Paraconsistence Erasure (Type 1 [Existence & Nonexistence] - A True Dragon can neutralize even the Abyss of Hell with their Positive Energy)

Cosmology Page

Spoiler: Changes

Currently, in the Note 7 of Attribute section in the cosmology page, this is stated:

Due to it's nature, Attributes are Large Size Being (Type 10), Higher-Dimensional Existence (6-D) and Abstract Existence (Type 1; Concept [Type 1] & Law).

But for other than the Attribute of Time and Space, this shouldn't be really work per our new standards on Abstract Existence and HDE not being able to overlap. Even then, I think Large Size would already be sufficed for even the space and time attributes, so HDE overlap seems redundant to put. We could improve it to something like this:

Due to it's nature, Attributes are Abstract Existence (Type 1; Concept [Type 1] & Law), with their scope of influence being 1-C (6-D) in range.

Votes​

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

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[AlexSamDen]

Seems K

 

[Mido02]

Seems K

Your reading speed is infinite

 

[PrimeHydra64]

I like your funny words magic man, I agree

edit: you forgot aleph 20 layers of animal manipulation

 

[Korf3ll]

agree, everything seems fine

 

[AlexSamDen]

OOn a second read, while the text itself is okay, it seems like you forgot to make proper hyperlinks

Veldanava

Spoiler: Changes

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:

No hyperlink here

VoTW/World Language

Spoiler: Changes

The current AP justification is:

But it's repetitive and unnecessarily lengthy. Trim it down to:


Additionally, it was accepted in this thread that VoTW holds all skills and grants them. All phenomena realized by skills and magic is done through the World Language. So it should have something similar to Veldanava:

Here

God's Nonexistence

Spoiler: Changes

Yeah currently it has no Aspect Types. They were proposed here but since the thread got retconned due to GHS page only covering the infinity key, it was abandoned. These are the aspects it should have:

Here

Suspended World

Spoiler: Changes

Adding NPI to Suspended World:


Additionally, this point:

Should be reworded to:


So the original argument for why it was power null and not regen/resurrection null, from this thread, was that it negates Skills. However, the reason I'm adding resurrection and immortality negation is cuz:

Here

Abyss

Spoiler: Changes

Add:


Since it's accepted that Abyss is neither the nothingness of Hell nor existence, so this should be simple.

Here

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I don't have too much time, but I will say I disagree with this (if we talking about true dragon Veldanava)

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:

• All Abilities derived from Skills in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken

I don't think he should have access to abilities that have been created AFTER he descended, since he is still affected by time normally.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I don't have too much time, but I will say I disagree with this (if we talking about true dragon Veldanava)

I don't think he should have access to abilities that have been created AFTER he descended, since he is still affected by time normally.

Dark.....

It says "Pre-Descent"

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I don't have too much time, but I will say I disagree with this (if we talking about true dragon Veldanava)

I don't think he should have access to abilities that have been created AFTER he descended, since he is still affected by time normally.

Bro....
I can see the dark spots under your eyes

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Bro....
I can see the dark spots under your eyes

Yeah, you know the gig. But seriously, I think you should have renamed them -_-

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

There are parts I agree with and parts I don't; I'll address it later when I get home.
Probably in about an hour?
In the meantime, I'll reread the entire CRT.

 

[Mizuki67]

I don't have too much time, but I will say I disagree with this (if we talking about true dragon Veldanava)

I don't think he should have access to abilities that have been created AFTER he descended, since he is still affected by time normally.

Wasn't it implied he could just jack out abilities from "records" even from the future?
Not said directly but heavily implied since he could Jack out lucia soul from another timeline set in the future

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

OOn a second read, while the text itself is okay, it seems like you forgot to make proper hyperlinks

No hyperlink here

Here


Here



Here

Here

Fixed

Yeah, you know the gig. But seriously, I think you should have renamed them -_-

Eh, Descend/Descent is that actual word used in canon so ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Wasn't it implied he could just jack out abilities from "records" even from the future?
Not said directly but heavily implied since he could Jack out lucia soul from another timeline set in the future

I would want to believe that but sadly he can't
At least, he doesn't have enough power to use "all" of them. Like Rimuru's imaginary space and void collapse are skills... And so is soul Gluttony

 

[Ultimuru]

Disagree because Astral forgot to pay me so I am angy and sad.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Disagree because Astral forgot to pay me so I am angy and sad.

Your payment is the CRT itself, granny

 

[Nonynho]

so far seems to make sense, i agree

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

I agree

 

[Berga14]

agrEE

 

[Ronaldinhxt1]

Agree

 

[Mizuki67]

I would want to believe that but sadly he can't
At least, he doesn't have enough power to use "all" of them. Like Rimuru's imaginary space and void collapse are skills... And so is soul Gluttony

Pretty sure he could
There was a limitation but it specifically said something about interacting with time
He could even Jack out vega from subspace (pulling people out moments before death)
And if you mesn all skills dont count rimuru he gained that through ciel not the system

 

[Noir2340]

Huge W, everything seems fine

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Physics Manipulation
Magic can rewrite the Laws of Physics through the Laws of Magic.

Agree

Resurrection Negation Resistance
True Dragons (Rimuru included) and Milim should get resistance to Resurrection Negation (High Godly [Concept, Information]) as they can resurrect even after Initialize Heaven, which is HGR negation.

Either resistance or a layer of resurrection. I'm not quite sure which one in particular fits better than the other.

Very simple.

Text Manipulation

Spoiler: Changes

So DL key Rimuru has this:

Except, the way it's worded is heavily misleading. It makes it seem like this "narrative" is a metaphysical aspect, when it's not. It's just referring to him changing text recorded in a history book about him and Temepst. So change it to something like:

I was gonna say nuke it, but it could probably be used in very specific scenarios where the enemies' powers rely on something written on a book (like Death Note).

Agree

Veldanava

Spoiler: Changes

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:

No problem if it was accepted before.

VoTW/World Language

Spoiler: Changes

The current AP justification is:

But it's repetitive and unnecessarily lengthy. Trim it down to:


Additionally, it was accepted in this thread that VoTW holds all skills and grants them. All phenomena realized by skills and magic is done through the World Language. So it should have something similar to Veldanava:

Same

God's Nonexistence

Spoiler: Changes

Yeah currently it has no Aspect Types. They were proposed here but since the thread got retconned due to GHS page only covering the infinity key, it was abandoned. These are the aspects it should have:

All aspects except the last 3 are upscaled from here. Fate and History are elaborated upon here. Additionally, Phenomena/Events is not to be confused with Causality, as it refers to practically anything that exists in-verse. Per say, even Void Collapse (which should be beyond Abyss) is a "Phenomena/Event", and it is separate from Laws (which includes causality) and fate.

Probability is from here. Since it's currently accepted that skills are part of the laws of the world, so to say laws themselves, the "thing" they manipulate would ultimately be their Law (i.e., much like how Shion's skill is based on law of causality, cuz it manipulates causality). So it's not something like "it's just a special thing their power manipulates" but that what their power manipulates are themselves fundamental things governing reality.

God, being NEP to the World, lack this aspect too.

I have doubts about history, but maybe this could work too, based on this:

Qawsedf234: In my mind the current system more or less defaults to history being part of time. Unless the franchise in question proves otherwise, it would be a default assumption.​

Vietthai96: Still history erasure, time and history are overlaps. Unless the verse specifically separate two things.​

We have a physiology of non-existence in terms of time, so it would also have no history, since it is part of time:

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Suspended World

Spoiler: Changes

Adding NPI to Suspended World:


Additionally, this point:

Should be reworded to:


So the original argument for why it was power null and not regen/resurrection null, from an old thread, was that it negates Skills. However, the reason I'm adding resurrection and immortality negation is cuz:

1. Diablo's regen is a primordial's intrinsic regenerative nature, it is not some "Skill". So it should strictly be regen negation.
2. Soul Corridor is also not a "Skill", considering it isn't treated as such (I can't give you proof of "it isn't a skill" cuz there's no context of it being a skill to begin with).

Immortality Negation comes from Soul Corridor stuff as listed in Rimuru's profile.

This is my main issue with considering this as Type 3 Immortality Negation.

The scan states that in the Suspended World, magicule-based abilities are almost impossible to use. However, Infinite Regeneration requires magicules in order to function.

《解。当然です。大量に魔素(エネルギー)量を損(そん)耗(もう)したでしょうが、物質体(マテリアル・ボディー)は『無限再生』で即時復活が可能でした》(JP)


Understood. Of course. You lost a great deal of magical energy, but your material body could have been instantly reconstructed with Infinite Regeneration. (YenPress)

大量に魔素(エネルギー)量を損耗したでしょうが

魔素= Magicule

My question is: does this actually negate regeneration, or does it simply prevent the user from accessing the resource required to activate it?

I would understand it as regeneration negation if the regenerative effect failed even when magicules were still being supplied. However, based on this explanation, what seems to happen is that the user cannot use the necessary magicules in the first place.

In that case, Time Stop would be disabling the mechanism that enables regeneration rather than negating regeneration itself.

Because of that, I'm not convinced this qualifies as Type 3 Immortality Negation. It seems closer to ability suppression or preventing access to the energy source required for regeneration than directly negating the regenerative effect.

Where does immortality Types 6, 8, and 9 come from?

I understand type 4 because of Diablo, but what about types 3, 6, 8, and 9?

Could you list the characters this would negate?

Ultimate Skill Resistances

Spoiler: Changes

Remove this:

And replace it with a full-on resistance based on:

Good

Abyss

IDK (Agree)

Cosmology Page

Large Size Being (Type 10; 6-D)

IDK(Isn't this for something physical?)

 

[Noobish2006]

Ig

 

[Ultimuru]

Update. Astral paid me so I agree now.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I have doubts about history, but maybe this could work too, based on this:

@Qawsedf234: In my mind the current system more or less defaults to history being part of time. Unless the franchise in question proves otherwise, it would be a default assumption.​

@Vietthai96: Still history erasure, time and history are overlaps. Unless the verse specifically separate two things.​

DT: History is the aspect of a thing's past.

Bambu: In 2022 I agreed with the notion of deleting Plot Manip and merging it with Fate Manip, because I do think they are functionally the same thing but in different contexts (and they are!), but throwing History into the mix confuses the purpose of either ability to be in relation to time, simply because in this instance they can be perceived to be. History is what was, Fate is what will be.

Given we already establisbed that whatever a skill does (like manipulating causality) is done by manipulating the law behind that target of manipulation, getting history aspect via this shouldn't really be hard

We have a physiology of non-existence in terms of time, so it would also have no history, since it is part of time:

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Can you give a reference for this scan?

This is my main issue with considering this as Type 3 Immortality Negation.

The scan states that in the Suspended World, magicule-based abilities are almost impossible to use. However, Infinite Regeneration requires magicules in order to function.

My question is: does this actually negate regeneration, or does it simply prevent the user from accessing the resource required to activate it?

I would understand it as regeneration negation if the regenerative effect failed even when magicules were still being supplied. However, based on this explanation, what seems to happen is that the user cannot use the necessary magicules in the first place.

In that case, Time Stop would be disabling the mechanism that enables regeneration rather than negating regeneration itself.

Because of that, I'm not convinced this qualifies as Type 3 Immortality Negation. It seems closer to ability suppression or preventing access to the energy source required for regeneration than directly negating the regenerative effect.

Where does immortality Types 6, 8, and 9 come from?

I understand type 4 because of Diablo, but what about types 3, 6, 8, and 9?

Could you list the characters this would negate?

Bro...
The Regen thing is from soul corridor
That's already accepted as HGR on concept and information lol
Same with type 6, 8, 9.

IDK(Isn't this for something physical?)

It's referring to the scope of influence of said concept, not the concept itself.
I think you were probably replying to an older version and didn't refresh the page, but I edited it about an hour after the CRT was created:

Due to it's nature, Attributes are Abstract Existence (Type 1; Concept [Type 1] & Law), with their scope of influence being Large Size Being (Type 10; 6-D)

 

[CJunitilarian]

Agree

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Can you give a reference for this scan?

Light novel 13*

Bro...
The Regen thing is from soul corridor
That's already accepted as HGR on concept and information lol
Same with type 6, 8, 9.

Honestly, the scan isn't very clear. Where does it say it cuts the link to the soul corridor?

It's referring to the scope of influence of said concept, not the concept itself.
I think you were probably replying to an older version and didn't refresh the page, but I edited it about an hour after the CRT was created:

ok

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Agreed FRA

 

[WorthyRhinoceros951]

AGREED! L1A MILIM WHEN?

 

[Berga14]

Honestly, the scan isn't very clear. Where does it say it cuts the link to the soul corridor?

It doesn't but if a character with it can't resurrect it means that it isn't working

 

[MSahla]

Agreed.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Light novel 13*

Have added this scan along with some others to the OP in the history section

Honestly, the scan isn't very clear. Where does it say it cuts the link to the soul corridor?

It's implied from the fact that when Rimuru was about to be killed by Michael (or supposed to be), he said that he's have to come back "next time" (implying after SW was over) despite having a soul corridor, which should have allowed for instant Regen/resurrection.

Alternatively, we can achieve the same conclusion from Diablo, who was left incapacitated in the suspended world despite all of Rimuru's guardians having a soul corridor with him.

 

[Deonment]

True Dragons (Rimuru included) and Milim should get resistance to Resurrection Negation (High Godly [Concept, Information]) as they can resurrect even after Initialize Heaven, which is HGR negation.

Just a few things
1)The link to velvedana's page doesn't have Initialize Heaven as to the reason why Guy will come back, unless we're just going with all of velvedana's attacks/abilities having High Godly
2)When looking at the AP scan for velvedana, which directly involves initialize heaven, he directly states that it'd destroy Rimuru, was velvedana just not aware of Rimuru making
3)Guy's HGR scan is broken, but I am assuming that his and the dragon's regen is the same, that is everything up to and including core, yeah (as said on page)?

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:


Additionally, it was accepted in this thread that VoTW holds all skills and grants them. All phenomena realized by skills and magic is done through the World Language. So it should have something similar to Veldanava:

Unfortunately, as per a staff thread made, honestly, I don't know how long ago you have to list all the abilities a character gets from said state, with Scion's Warrior Entity Key as the example I'll give you, thankfully, you only have to state the character and link their page if they have the power, but for powers without characters you do just have to list an entire justification, as per the afformentioned page

The current AP justification is:
But it's repetitive and unnecessarily lengthy. Trim it down to:

That works

God's Nonexistence

mf on that old NEP timing
Disagree on Phenomena/Events lol, I would hope a nonexistent character isn't a fucken phenomena, that's just what it means to exist lol
also thought yall would have brought up the nihility collapse chaos somewhere in here

Adding NPI to Suspended World:

Powers don't get NPI, at least, I don't think so, don't think I've ever seen it, I mean I aint against it, just confused on if this even works

And replace it with a full-on resistance based on:

Not a drop of deconstruction smh (Fine)

But for other than the Attribute of Time and Space, this shouldn't be really work per our new standards on Abstract Existence and HDE not being able to overlap. Even then, I think Large Size would already be sufficed for even the space and time attributes, so HDE overlap seems redundant to put. We could improve it to something like this:

I'm pretty you should just put range, not large size

 

[Berga14]

Guy will come back,

He won't.

it'd destroy Rimuru

Veldenava statament about rimuru aren't that reliable since he himslef admits that rimuru is a songularity that defy his work.

not aware of Rimuru

This is also a possibility, as far as i remember veldenava doesn't know that rimuru is a TD.

3)Guy's HGR scan is broken, but I am assuming that his and the dragon's regen is the same, that is everything up to and including core, yeah (as said on page)?

Yeah, up to the core. But it's resurrection. (This entire thing is about resurrection)

that's just what it means to exist lol

Even nep2 stuff is described as phenomena in verse.

 

[SkyBlade6635]

Hello everyone, hope ya'll are doing well. This thread aims to simply update pre-existing information on the pages, such as assigning what layer a hax is, or some minor additions that were forgotten but should be self-evident.

Table of Contents​

Physics Manipulation
Magic can rewrite the Laws of Physics through the Laws of Magic.

Resurrection Negation Resistance
True Dragons (Rimuru included) and Milim should get resistance to Resurrection Negation (High Godly [Concept, Information]) as they can resurrect even after Initialize Heaven, which is HGR negation.

Either resistance or a layer of resurrection. I'm not quite sure which one in particular fits better than the other.

Text Manipulation

Spoiler: Changes

So DL key Rimuru has this:

Except, the way it's worded is heavily misleading. It makes it seem like this "narrative" is a metaphysical aspect, when it's not. It's just referring to him changing text recorded in a history book about him and Temepst. So change it to something like:

I was gonna say nuke it, but it could probably be used in very specific scenarios where the enemies' powers rely on something written on a book (like Death Note).

Veldanava

Spoiler: Changes

As established previously in this crt, Veldanava has all abilities in the series. Currently that should be in his Pre-Descent key. So something like:

VoTW/World Language

Spoiler: Changes

The current AP justification is:

But it's repetitive and unnecessarily lengthy. Trim it down to:


Additionally, it was accepted in this thread that VoTW holds all skills and grants them. All phenomena realized by skills and magic is done through the World Language. So it should have something similar to Veldanava:

God's Nonexistence

Spoiler: Changes

Yeah currently it has no Aspect Types. They were proposed here but since the thread got retconned due to GHS page only covering the infinity key, it was abandoned. These are the aspects it should have:

All aspects except the last 3 are upscaled from here. Fate and History are elaborated upon here, but can also be obtained through lacking the existence of the world, which has this. Additionally, Phenomena/Events is not to be confused with Causality, as it refers to practically anything that exists in-verse. Per say, even Void Collapse (which should be beyond Abyss) is a "Phenomena/Event", and it is separate from Laws (which includes causality) and fate.

Probability is from here. Since it's currently accepted that skills are part of the laws of the world, so to say laws themselves, the "thing" they manipulate would ultimately be their Law (i.e., much like how Shion's skill is based on law of causality, cuz it manipulates causality). So it's not something like "it's just a special thing their power manipulates" but that what their power manipulates are themselves fundamental things governing reality.

God, being NEP to the World, lack this aspect too.

Suspended World

Spoiler: Changes

Adding NPI to Suspended World:


Additionally, this point:

Should be reworded to:


So the original argument for why it was power null and not regen/resurrection null, from an old thread, was that it negates Skills. However, the reason I'm adding resurrection and immortality negation is cuz:

1. Diablo's regen is a primordial's intrinsic regenerative nature, it is not some "Skill". So it should strictly be regen negation.
2. Soul Corridor is also not a "Skill", considering it isn't treated as such (I can't give you proof of "it isn't a skill" cuz there's no context of it being a skill to begin with).

Immortality Negation comes from Soul Corridor stuff as listed in Rimuru's profile.

Ultimate Skill Resistances

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Remove this:

And replace it with a full-on resistance based on:

Abyss

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Add:


Since it's accepted that Abyss is neither the nothingness of Hell nor existence, so this should be simple.

General Concept Page

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At the end of the Ability sub-heading of magicule section, add:


And change this:

To:

Cosmology Page

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Currently, in the Note 7 of Attribute section in the cosmology page, this is stated:

But for other than the Attribute of Time and Space, this shouldn't be really work per our new standards on Abstract Existence and HDE not being able to overlap. Even then, I think Large Size would already be sufficed for even the space and time attributes, so HDE overlap seems redundant to put. We could improve it to something like this:

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[Eikichi_Sensei]

It doesn't but if a character with it can't resurrect it means that it isn't working

Have added this scan along with some others to the OP in the history section

It's implied from the fact that when Rimuru was about to be killed by Michael (or supposed to be), he said that he's have to come back "next time" (implying after SW was over) despite having a soul corridor, which should have allowed for instant Regen/resurrection.

No way, this isn't a Negation of immortality; it's simply a weakness in abilities, or an inability of the characters in situations like Time Stop.

Rimuru couldn't revive in the Suspended World while active, which isn't a good argument. Veldora didn't have much knowledge of the "Suspended World" and couldn't move. Rimuru is a novice in these matters and doesn't know much about his abilities (I don't remember if it was in the Suspended World if Rimuru resurrected through Veldora, who could move at the time).

A character has regeneration or resurrection. Another character stops time and destroys it. While time is stopped, the victim cannot regenerate or resurrect because they can't do anything. When the time stop ends, regeneration or resurrection activates normally.

In that case, there was no Negation of immortality. What happened was that the conditions necessary to activate the ability were temporarily blocked.

We don't grant Naegtion of immortality to all users with the Time Stop ability.

I disagree with this.

Alternatively, we can achieve the same conclusion from Diablo, who was left incapacitated in the suspended world despite all of Rimuru's guardians having a soul corridor with him.

Is this in the profiles?

Because I don't recall a statement that if they die they can be resurrected through the soul corridor.

Rather, everyone's main concern is always not dying.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Just a few things
1)The link to velvedana's page doesn't have Initialize Heaven as to the reason why Guy will come back, unless we're just going with all of velvedana's attacks/abilities having High Godly

The latter
Read from this post onwards in the accepted thread.

2)When looking at the AP scan for velvedana, which directly involves initialize heaven, he directly states that it'd destroy Rimuru, was velvedana just not aware of Rimuru making

He doesn't know Rimuru is a true dragon (because when never addressed him as one)
As to why Rimuru IS a true dragon , it's because of him possessing his own true dragon factor.

3)Guy's HGR scan is broken, but I am assuming that his and the dragon's regen is the same, that is everything up to and including core, yeah (as said on page)?

It's a bit different. True Dragons have their ego reset, primordials don't. But yes, it's upto heart core and "any condition" (aka ego destruction):

Regardless—right, right, I was in the middle of my introductions.

So Mizeri and I lost to Sir Guy, but that unveiled a certain fact to us. If you can break a demon’s “core,” they’ll be eradicated for good. However! If you’re a talented Primal like all of us are, you can resurrect yourself no matter what happens to you!!

With True Dragons, this process resets their personality even though they keep their memories, but in our case, the personality remains the same, too. Lady Velzard, the Ice Dragon and companion to Sir Guy, “reset” her younger brother in this fashion in order to reeducate him, but that won’t work with Primals like us.

Isn’t that, like, totally amazing? I wish I could boast about it all day to you, trust me. But, sadly, there are some disadvantages to this. The resurrection process takes a lot of time, but that’s just a little detail. The toughest part is that although you’re immortal and all, you have to be eternally subordinate to whoever you lost to. In our case, that was Sir Guy.
V17C4 otl

Unfortunately, as per a staff thread made, honestly, I don't know how long ago you have to list all the abilities a character gets from said state, with Scion's Warrior Entity Key as the example I'll give you, thankfully, you only have to state the character and link their page if they have the power, but for powers without characters you do just have to list an entire justification, as per the afformentioned page

Well, we're going by linking the verse page, since his pre Descent self has all skills/magic from ALL characters from the entire verse. They already have their powers mentioned.

Eventually I plan to make his own version of description for those abilities since he has infinitely better versions, but this is a for now measure.

That works

mf on that old NEP timing
Disagree on Phenomena/Events lol, I would hope a nonexistent character isn't a fucken phenomena, that's just what it means to exist lol
also thought yall would have brought up the nihility collapse chaos somewhere in here

I did bring nilhity collapse tho? Xd
Phenomena is an in-verse term to refer to any process that happens. That includes even Void Collapse itself, which is also an "Event/Phenomena".

Basically it's a way to give him NEP on the entire verse and anything in it

Powers don't get NPI, at least, I don't think so, don't think I've ever seen it, I mean I aint against it, just confused on if this even works

Magic has it accepted, even tho it's a power ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

Not a drop of deconstruction smh (Fine)

Lol

I'm pretty you should just put range, not large size

Sure.

I assume you agree on everything else you didn't bring up as well?

No way, this isn't a Negation of immortality; it's simply a weakness in abilities, or an inability of the characters in situations like Time Stop.

Mate
Soul corridor allows for hgr (information included). Information is already unaffected by soul corridor. Soul corrieodre already transcend space time. What are you getting at?

Rimuru couldn't revive in the Suspended World while active, which isn't a good argument.

How is that not a good argument??

Veldora didn't have much knowledge of the "Suspended World" and couldn't move.

He couldn't??? He literally did in Volume 21. He did not evolve anywhere between V16 and V21...

Rimuru is a novice in these matters and doesn't know much about his abilities (I don't remember if it was in the Suspended World if Rimuru resurrected through Veldora, who could move at the time).

That doesn't mean he should be completely disregarded. Even Ciel sympathized with him, and Chloe came to help just do Rimuru could survive. Here. I've also attached the Diablo scan.

Also, no, he already knows the soul corridor will resurrect him. Yet he still says what he says.

A character has regeneration or resurrection. Another character stops time and destroys it. While time is stopped, the victim cannot regenerate or resurrect because they can't do anything. When the time stop ends, regeneration or resurrection activates normally.

In that case, there was no Negation of immortality. What happened was that the conditions necessary to activate the ability were temporarily blocked.

We don't grant Naegtion of immortality to all users with the Time Stop ability.

I disagree with this.

That would ONLY matter if not for the fact that Diablo can regenerate his heart core too.... You do know what a heart core is made up of, right?
Sure Magicule based abilities or Regen won't work, but what will that do go if you're regenerating the heart core instead.... Why will time stop prevent infon Regen when infons are the very thing capable of moving in it?
That's the entire reason it's negation here.

Is this in the profiles?

Because I don't recall a statement that if they die they can be resurrected through the soul corridor.

If it ain't then we'll just add it.
Here

Rather, everyone's main concern is always not dying.

Because they don't want to disappoint rimuru....
Do you think someone like Diablo will let himself he defeated just to get carried by Rimuru? Hell na, that goes against his character entirely

It is already accepted that soul corridor grants HGR.

 

[Mido02]

Soul corridor is already accepted as HGR in demon slime key

 

[Mizuki67]

Cosmology Page

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Currently, in the Note 7 of Attribute section in the cosmology page, this is stated:

But for other than the Attribute of Time and Space, this shouldn't be really work per our new standards on Abstract Existence and HDE not being able to overlap. Even then, I think Large Size would already be sufficed for even the space and time attributes, so HDE overlap seems redundant to put. We could improve it to something like this:

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This could be changed to range i recall a similar case here