Entirety of Pokemon Civilization vs Entirety of Pokemon Ecosystem (All Humans and All Tame Pokemon vs All Wild Pokemon) (1-2-1)

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ngl wild Pokemon got this

 

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ngl wild Pokemon got this

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[Mickey1940]

don't tamed pokemon regularly scale to Creation Trio Avatars

you restricted Tier 1 Legendaries but the likes of Cynthia's Garchomp and Leon's Charizard are also tier 1 just by themselves

how do the wild pokemon win even WITH legendaries

 

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User_A_98732165489 said:
Trainers who matter
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know what? i'm with the patience, i'll go trainer by trainer with ya up until certain point, cuz i think if i go lengthy you may understand. Prepare to read "Palkia'd" and about Yveltal
Spoiler: lots of trainers

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Red (Pokémon)
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Pikachu | Snorlax | Lapras | Charizard | Venusaur | Blastoise
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All palkia'd

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Blue (Pokémon)
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Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen [...]​

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All Palkia'd. If Alakazam can come back, he can only do this alone, and any wild pokémon faster than him gets the job done quickly remember yveltal?

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Giovanni (Pokémon)
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Every single team member gets Palkia'd, of course, aside by Mewtwo, who gets other complications without a trainer and if anyone faster appears yveltal's really dangerous y'know?

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Giovanni (Pokémon GO)
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No team detailed, but if Shadow Mewtwo is his main thing, instead of Yveltal, it'll be Geomancy'd Xerneas eating his ass and the rest, Palkia'd

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Elio (Pokémon)
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Oh wow, cool pokém-- If Necrozma comes back from being Palkia'd, he does not have time to absorb anyone before - You guessed: Yveltal :>
Everyone else's just banned

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Cyrus
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Here's the thing, by banning Cyrus, tamed Palkia has already a heavy disadvantage telling us that he's fainting first
Palkia and Dialga's wild incarnations battle were not resolved by BFR because he TPs, but tamed Dialga also has the disadvantage of being tamed weighting at his back

And if you think that those are too small disadvantages, remember that the ice types in the wild side are still a looming threat and my guy Weavile is ironically here to haunt them with his ice type and huge speed
Must i speak more?
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After some thinking, Team Wild Pokemon would have the edge.

Team Humans has more Tier 2 non-legendary Pokemon, and that's about it at such scale.

Team Wild Pokemon, on other hand, has more Legendary Pokemon and more Mythical Pokemon. Additionally, being Tamed is only advantageous up to about 6-C; past that, having to protect one's trainer and lower experience with "thinking with one's head" out-weight the benefits.

There's also one more thing we forgot about. Ditto. This gets nonsensically large-scale:

• Ditto copies Powers, Abilities and Tier of other character. Ditto can breed. Therefore, provided with infinite time and infinite resources, it's possible to breed infinite amounts of Ditto (or any breedable Pokemon really).
• Infinite time is provided by Dialga and Celebi (loop time). Infinite resources are provided by those Legendary Pokemon which can create matter, or pocket universes, out of thin air.
• Each Legendary Pokemon, Mythical Pokemon, and Tier 3 to Tier 2 "Conventional" Pokemon are chosen as "Template Pokemon" of sorts. Dittos are divided into infinitely-large groups, each group for each "Template Pokemon". In each group, Dittos turn into their designated "Template Pokemon" before battle starts. Some infinitely-sized Ditto groups are held in reserve, and turn into opponent's "Template Pokemon" after battle starts.

Wild Pokemon benefit more from this strategy, as they have more Legendary and Mythical Pokemon. At this point, "actual" Legendaries and Mythicals are a drop in the sea, since there's literally infinite amounts of Ditto around. That, and there's infinitely many doubles of Palkia and Dialga around, which screws over the BFR strategy.

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Palkia is on both sides. So if Palkia BFRs someone, the opponent's Palkia will un-BFR them back. But if one Palkia does Faint and other doesn't yet, the remaining Palkia will definitely mop up all lesser enemies of his team.
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It leaves me thinking that the tamed Palkia loses first, due to suddenly not having the trainer to guide him. Even though Cyrus ain't that good of a trainer and haven't bonded much with it, any slight edge gets the Wild one to win here
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That's one of the reasons why Tame Pokemon are better off acting on their own accord than relying on Trainer. The second one is "lag" between Trainer noticing something and Trainer issuing order.

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And finally, Ultra Beasts are consideration. They are "At least 3-C, likely High 3-A", and entire dimension is filled with them. Trainers from that alternate dimension casually capture and tame Ultra Beasts - so UBs are on both teams.

As such, there would be literally millions of High 3-As around on both sides. To say the least, everything smaller than 3-C is made completely irrelevant, and "mere" 3-C to High 3-A characters are "a drop in the sea".

We have to start counting Tier 2 characters only.

P.S. Arceus is restricted, since if he's not canonically owned by any Human, match is a Stomp. If Arceus is owned by any Human, them fight would boil down into Arceus vs Arceus, which is Inconclusive.
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UBs are just getting Palkia'd too
or absorbed by Necrozma, or Tapu'd (reminder that the Tapu's are only in the wild side and Tapu Koko is a monster damagewise)
Or Yveltal'd too, who has edgy lifesteal laser
And Xerneas is also in the Wild side, can just stay in the back and Geomancy 10000 times to boom whoever with moonblast
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What i wanted to say is that everyone less than Tier 2 don't matter, because High 3-A can't do much to 2-B and 2-A characters.

Trainers who matter (Most have full team of 6 Pokemon, some even have multiple such teams, each individual Pokemon is considered a separate unit):

• Red (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mega Pokémon
• Blue (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mega Pokémon
• Giovanni (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mewtwo Mega Evolutions
• Giovanni (Pokémon GO) - At least 5-B, likely higher
• Elio (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Cyrus - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Chase (Pokemon) - At least 3-C, likely High 3-A
• Archie (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Maxie (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Barry (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Maylene - At least 2-B, likely 2-A
• Cynthia (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Cynthia (Pokémon Anime) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mega Garchomp & Dynamax
• Palmer - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Dahlia (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Ghetsis - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Lysandre - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Nessa (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Drednaw
• Marnie (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Grimmsnarl
• Bede (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Hatterene
• Hop (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with a Gigantamax Pokémon
• Bea (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Machamp
• Allister - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Gengar
• Piers (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Raihan - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Duraludon
• Leon (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax
• Peony - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Copperajah
• Mustard (Pokémon) - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Urshifu
• Chairman Rose - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Gigantamax Copperajah
• Ash Ketchum - 2-B, likely 2-A, higher with Mega Evolution, Z-Moves, or Dynamax
• Galaxy Team Path of Tenacity - 2-B, likely 2-A (including Zisu, Beni, and Captain Kamado)

Mythicals which matter:

• Celebi (PMD Explorers) - At least Low 2-C
• Darkrai - 2-B, likely 2-A

Legendaries which matter:

• Azelf - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Cresselia - 2-B, likely 2-A
• Dialga - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Eternatus - 2-B, likely 2-A, far higher with Eternamax
• Giratina - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Mesprit - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Palkia - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Uxie - 2-B, likely 2-A Avatars with 2-B, likely 2-A True Form
• Zacian - 2-B, likely 2-A with Crowned Sword
• Zamazenta - 2-B, likely 2-A with Crowned Shield

33 Trainers total (198 Pokemon, not counting) including super-units of 1 Civilization, 2 Mythicals, 10 legendary True Forms and 6 Avatar types.

Characters of lower than Tier 2 can still help, with Hax - helping his teammates or hindering enemies; since many Hax ignore conventional Durability.

Numerically, Team Human seemingly has advantage - especially since each Trainer has team of 6 Pokemon, some have multiple teams, and they're all deployed simultaneously. On the other hand, we don't know about how many Avatars of Legendary Pokemon exist in total and what it takes to create more.

Fight basically turns into "escort mission" for Palkia on both sides. If Palkia of one party is defeated while the other isn't, fight ends instantly. Thus, entirety of both parties would clutter around their Palkia, ready to protect it with their lives. Finally, both Palkia's True Form and Palkia's Avatars can BFR and Un-BFR people - so fight is only lost when party loses Palkia and all his avatars.

1st page has all those long posts that describe it.

Both sides have Pokemon that can loop time. So both sides can breed infinitely many Dittos and have them copy Legendaries. Wild Pokemon have more types of Legendaries, and with each Legendary having infinitely many copies, it's more utility and versatility overall.

Palkia, Palkia's avatars, and Dittos pretending to be Palkia can BFR people (e.g. into other dimension, or into "the time after Universe ceases to exist"). They can't escape from there, unless their team's Palkia un-BFRs it. So fight basically goes until one of teams loses all their Palkias - at which point the losing team is BFR'd.

 

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1st page has all those long posts that describe it.

Both sides have Pokemon that can loop time. So both sides can breed infinitely many Dittos and have them copy Legendaries. Wild Pokemon have more types of Legendaries, and with each Legendary having infinitely many copies, it's more utility and versatility overall.

Palkia, Palkia's avatars, and Dittos pretending to be Palkia can BFR people (e.g. into other dimension, or into "the time after Universe ceases to exist"). They can't escape from there, unless their team's Palkia un-BFRs it. So fight basically goes until one of teams loses all their Palkias - at which point the losing team is BFR'd.

the issue with this is that the trained pokemon are always stronger than the wild pokemon

the trainer team also has access to Palkia and Dialga, but their Palkia and Dialga will always be stronger

 

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1st page has all those long posts that describe it.

Both sides have Pokemon that can loop time. So both sides can breed infinitely many Dittos and have them copy Legendaries. Wild Pokemon have more types of Legendaries, and with each Legendary having infinitely many copies, it's more utility and versatility overall.

Palkia, Palkia's avatars, and Dittos pretending to be Palkia can BFR people (e.g. into other dimension, or into "the time after Universe ceases to exist"). They can't escape from there, unless their team's Palkia un-BFRs it. So fight basically goes until one of teams loses all their Palkias - at which point the losing team is BFR'd.
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the issue with this is that the trained pokemon are always stronger than the wild pokemon

the trainer team also has access to Palkia and Dialga, but their Palkia and Dialga will always be stronger

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Also since there's infinitely many Pokemon from either side from Dittos... I think i'll change my vote to Inconclusive.

 

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