Removing Acheron + izumos history EE that's been promised 3000 years ago

[Nighting4l33yes]

Ok then history wasn't erased.
If the fact theirs still documents + logs of said place then it's not EE.
+ Everything in the CRT addresses everything you're arguing against.
I planned this out thoroughly , was lowk expecting these arguments
Izumo's history is all but lost in the modern day.
Word: Lost not erased
History EE is erasure on all 3 points,
No one in HSR (as of right now) has HGR and can erase from history EE.

More over, what you're saying is already addressed in the CRT.

Genuinely what are you talking about? I am LITERALLY ARGUING against ALL of your "evidence" in my own CRT. This is really annoying.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

All you did was copy paste mbpoop's points from his own CRT and applied them here when my own thread is arguing against them

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Also, as for the relic set AGAIN, those things are extrapolated and simulated in the SU. This set is literally a coalesence of data gathered from all the historical records left in order to reconstruct it. It proves nothing. It's pretty much a highly educated guess.

 

[Mbpoops]

Acheron survived which is why she is resistant to it and she became acausal due to it.

Acheron is not acausal. But thats not the point of this crt (btw type 4 doesnt save you from history EE)

The records 1) Aren't mentioned to BE from Izumo 2) The records could have been created by History Fictionologists afterwards 3) The records could have just survived. 4) The records could be mystical in nature and thus survive.

1. The records are from izumo why wouldnt they be about izumo?

2. Parts 2-4 present uncertainty. You yourself dont know where these documents are from or how they survived izumo’s erasure. So i ask, why do we even index it?
There is more evidence suggesting that these scrolls and observations are from Izumo than them Being fake.

Also how do you “just survive” if your history is being erased from the point of origin?

Nothing hints at these documents being mystical in nature either.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Genuinely what are you talking about? I am LITERALLY ARGUING against ALL of your "evidence" in my own CRT. This is really annoying

Ok
And the evidence in the CRT speaks for itself. It's not history EE

All you did was copy paste mbpoop's points from his own CRT and applied them here when my own thread is arguing against them

Lmao???
That's a new one that's never getting proved either way

Also, as for the relic set AGAIN, those things are extrapolated and simulated in the SU. This set is literally a coalesence of data gathered from all the historical records left in order to reconstruct it. It proves nothing. It's pretty much a highly educated guess.

It proves nothing and is a highly educated guess.
Ok so prove that it's proving nothing and it's them guessing,
Relic sets in star rail have hidden lore which is canon, why it's hidden

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Acheron is not acausal. But thats not the point of this crt (btw type 4 doesnt save you from history EE)

She is. I am aware its why she has history EE res.

1. The records are from izumo why wouldnt they be about izumo?

2. Parts 2-4 present uncertainty. You yourself dont know where these documents are from or how they survived izumo’s erasure. So i ask, why do we even index it?
There is more evidence suggesting that these scrolls and observations are from Izumo than them Being fake.

Also how do you “just survive” if your history is being erased from the point of origin?

Nothing hints at these documents being mystical in nature either.

1. Why are there xianzhou files in herta space station? Idk ppl travel and wanna learn about shit? You okay?
2. Obviously? We can't know anything for sure when enigmata is involved?

You survive by having causality manip resistance.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

And the evidence in the CRT speaks for itself. It's not history EE

Idc what ur saying. This is not allowed anyway.

 

[Mbpoops]

She is. I am aware its why she has history EE res.

• Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure(Space-Time, History, Memory & Information【Type 2】& Conceptual【Type 3】), Memory Manipulation & Causality Manipulation (Emanators like her should be unaffected by imaginary space which erases all trace of existence and can cause people to forget themselves.Acheron was able to resist the effects of being swallowed by the shadow of IX the Nihility

Now what about this has anything to do with acausality?

1. Why are there xianzhou files in herta space station? Idk ppl travel and wanna learn about shit? You okay?

? This doesnt tackle my point

2. Obviously? We can't know anything for sure when enigmata is involved?

Ok so we dont know and my question still hasnt been answered, why do we index it?

Of course im just being a bit of a jackass, we do know because the relic set is literally about izumo and these files are canon in lore so yes we do know they are connected to izumo.

You survive by having causality manip resistance.

So you admit its just causality manip resistant and no acausality ok though this isnt important to this thread so i wont respond to any more acausality slop

 

[ItsMeat]

I kinda understand why Nighting seems frustrated, except for the matter of whether this CRT should've been posted or not, which I am neutral on, I agree with the CRT, it does make sense although I'm not knowledgeable on the verse

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

genuinely what are u talking about.

So you admit its just causality manip resistant and no acausality ok though this isnt important to this thread so i wont respond to any more acausality slop

how do you think you become acausal. like actually.

 

[SuperNova55555]

On that note, you can put me up for agreeing with partial erasure of Izumo’s history. Whether that qualifies as full-on EE or not via the standards I’m not sure.

 

[Mbpoops]

On that note, you can put me up for agreeing with partial erasure of Izumo’s history. Whether that qualifies as full-on EE or not via the standards I’m not sure.

According to vietthai the current standards say it has to be full erasure from past present and future to qualify. Im personally not against partial erasure but standards and such

Based on our wiki standard, history erasure entails the erasure of all points in time, across the past, the present and the future, it is default assumption unless show otherwise

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, this is just normal EE at most. Agree with the thread.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Yeah, this is just normal EE at most. Agree with the thread.

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There is literally my thread that's been open for 3 days that already tackles this and has counter-arguments against it. What?

 

[Mbpoops]

Yeah, this is just normal EE at most. Agree with the thread.

Ty gow sensei

 

[Mbpoops]

?

There is literally my thread that's been open for 3 days that already tackles this and has counter-arguments against it. What?

Did you send it to him on his profile? Id recommend doing that if you havent already

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, you will find that I do not have Clairvoyance. I'm reviewing this thread cause I was asked and know it exists.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Planck on his way to nuke Acheron to Weapon Creation merchant whilst making sure Kratoes has Type 3 PP with 10000 logic values

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There is literally my thread that's been open for 3 days that already tackles this and has counter-arguments against it. What?

Yes but that thread didn’t have me.

 

[Mbpoops]

Yes but that thread didn’t have me.

You have comp hes glazing zephyro better than you

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Yes but that thread didn’t have me.

u replied in it

 

[Cassette95]

The wiki is paraphrasing. Acheron's character story doesn't mention the Armed Archeologists coming across Izumo's remains or them exploring anything (there was literally nothing when they arrived), and its history being lost wasn't framed as consequence of how sudden it erasure was. The presence of Enigmata was also specific: a melody recounting how the world was destroyed by Acheron.

Unfortunately, the world has long vanished from the astral charts. The truth of history eludes us, and the Remembrance no longer exists. When the Armed Archaeologists arrived, the galaxy resounded solely with the melody of the Enigmata: Dark Sun's tears, rain's boundless outpour. Beneath faint curtain, the survivor departs from her shore. Her homeland, once saved by her, now by her hands erased... Invisible shadows ahead, her vision encased.

Also, her character story directly mentions the Remembrance of Izumo no longer existing (which was changed from more ambiguous "no longer holds its place" that's in the OP's image) and based on Herta and Cyrene's account of the remembrance's role, I don't see how its not some form of history erasure when Remembrance is the very mechanism that holds the past and is a path that's fundamental to existence.

Herta: But if things continue that way, the branches grow endlessly, the leaves multiply, and one day the tree collapses under its own weight.
Herta: That is why there is a concept in biology called "lignification." Soft sprigs form a hardened shell and fuse with the trunk.
Herta: For the universe, that process is what we call "memory."
Herta: Under Fuli's record-keeping, the "past" becomes "memory." In the corners THEY forget, even the events of the "present" become fruit without roots.
Cyrene: So it is the opposite of the Erudition... One calculates what is to come, and the other holds on to what came before.

Also, how is Izumo just having planar disprove the history EE just by having lore when the lore in question is this?

Izumo's history should have been a long flowing river, but it was severed in one cut, and all its past and future voided on emptiness' other shore. Did it never exist, and was it no more than a fabricated story? Did its histories never occur, and it ran aground on the beach of reverse causation? Was it yet another appalling experiment by Dr. Primitive, or was it a sign of the Voracity returning from the end of the Cosmos?

Only that pitch-black great sun knows the answer, yet THEY remain silent, never speaking.

It being questioned if it ever existed at all and if its history ever occurred doesn't sound like it disproves disproves history EE, and such a thing wouldn't be asked if the information we the player know was just available in universe.

Granted I'm not terribly familiar with VS's standards, so if physical written records are a hard disqualifier in spite of the clearly more metaphysical stuff going on then so be it I guess. Also hope this wasn't too bad for a first post.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Also hope this wasn't too bad for a first post.

Everyone starts from somewhere.

This thread however is probably not passing anyway. It's a copy paste from another thread with repeated arguments and half-truths that I have already dispelled in my own thread that should take priority over this one and if it passes, gives this one no reason to exist.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, this isn't History EE, you need to full erase something from all point of time, not partially removing something past and future only, leaving the present intact. Also EE is existence erasure, history EE is that you erasw the history itself and the existence tied with it to make them disappear. Somehow Izumo still physicallg exist is an anti-feat against EE in the first place, let's alone History EE, unless you have proof that Izumo was already erased and somehow existing in a nonexistent state, but evidently it seem like it still exist normally and only its past and future was lost

At best i can see causality and fate erasure that almost do nothing in a match, decorative abilities

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Yeah, this isn't History EE, you need to full erase something from all point of time, not partially removing something past and future only, leaving the present intact. Also EE is existence erasure, history EE is that you erasw the history itself and the existence tied with it to make them disappear. Somehow Izumo still physicallg exist is an anti-feat against EE in the first place, let's alone History EE, unless you have proof that Izumo was already erased and somehow existing in a nonexistent state, but evidently it seem like it still exist normally and only its past and future was lost

At best i can see causality and fate erasure that almost do nothing in a match, decorative abilities

Before voting here, can you take a look at my thread that was made 3 days ago and tackles this issue already? Normally, making this thread shouldn't even be allowed since mine hasn't concluded.

Acheron's Acausality and Stuff

Before getting into the actual evidence, I want to clarify something regarding previous discussions around Acheron and Type 2 Acausality because a large portion of the disagreement stemmed from an extremely strict interpretation of Type 2 that even prior Acausality revision threads and many...

vsbattles.com

and the tldr here and here

 

[Mbpoops]

Yeah, this isn't History EE, you need to full erase something from all point of time, not partially removing something past and future only, leaving the present intact. Also EE is existence erasure, history EE is that you erasw the history itself and the existence tied with it to make them disappear. Somehow Izumo still physicallg exist is an anti-feat against EE in the first place, let's alone History EE, unless you have proof that Izumo was already erased and somehow existing in a nonexistent state, but evidently it seem like it still exist normally and only its past and future was lost

At best i can see causality and fate erasure that almost do nothing in a match, decorative abilities

i promise I wont send you any more honkai crts for 2 months

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Snip

Can I add you to agreement ?
And I promise I won't send you anymore Hoyo stuff for at least 2-3 months

 

[Vietthai96]

Can I add you to agreement ?
And I promise I won't send you anymore Hoyo stuff for at least 2-3 months

Yeah?. I remember i said this isn't History EE in my post

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Yeah?. I remember i said this isn't History EE in my post

Bet
And I was just checking, yk to make sure

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Yeah?. I remember i said this isn't History EE in my post

Uhh mind looking at my other reply?

 

[Cassette95]

Everyone starts from somewhere.

Thanks.

Somehow Izumo still physicallg exist

It doesn't though? Its completely gone without a trace.

Acheron says it the whole world was erased:

Acheron: Come to think of it, I didn't even get a chance to formally introduce myself...
Acheron: Simply put, I'm a Self-Annihilator who was cursed by the Nihility. My hometown was destroyed a long time ago, and the whole world was erased beneath THEIRIX, the Nihility shadow.

The Izumo Planar:

The existence of the two planets instantly evaporated, disappearing into nothingness.

Acheron's character story II:

Unfortunately, the world has long vanished from the astral charts.

The mere fact that its questioned if it was eaten by voracity or if it ever existed at all should preclude a physical planet, even in ruins, being present. It doesn't exist in the present in any capacity.

 

[Mbpoops]

Acheron: Simply put, I'm a Self-Annihilator who was cursed by the Nihility. My hometown was destroyed a long time ago, and the whole world was erased beneath THEIRIX, the Nihility shadow.

The existence of the two planets instantly evaporated, disappearing into nothingness.

Unfortunately, the world has long vanished from the astral charts.

At most just is just normal EE, which would explain why they still have scrolls and historical records of the planet. this also is kinda a pointless topic because it has very little to do with type 4 acausality

Edit: im a dumbass this is a whole different thread. but yea this is just normal EE

Also welcome to the forum

 

[SomebodyData]

Agree with the OP's revisions