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Nero (Devil May Cry) vs Kai (Ninjago) [5-0-0]

GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Yamato bypassed such resistances. Not just esoteric but also spatio-temporal.
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Can Yamato's attacks pass throught Kai's attack?
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Nero maybe a brutal straightforward fighter, but he plays like a poker player, always keeping aces up his sleeve for surprise, there's a reason he names his moves after gambling moves.
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He hasn't fought against the Art of the Silent Fist yet👀
 
Nero has resistance to power null, which includes resistance to resistance neg because of the nature of Demonic Energy, so he's not bypassing Nero's resistances anyway. Even if the fire is greater in temp than Nero's resistance, Nero will just regen from that no problem. All Nero needs to do is land a single hit with Yamato and it's GG.
Voting Nero btw
 
Thermor said:
Things like EE, biology, poison, etc can still be smurfed in dimensionality.
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Thats literally just range or more accurately directions of extra axis. Not potency. Not to mention everything aside from EE you mentioned is material. Which is....3D. Like what does even HD poison or biology gonna be? Atleast EE can be understood to have extra axis in AOE but like dawg biology or poison?

Bruh what?
AigerTheKing said:
A character with 4-C AP possessing the powers to bypass the Fire resistance of a warrior who resisted Low 1-C Fire would not gain Low 1-C AP from this. The page never say its limited to 1-As
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AP is not hax potency, durability is not resistance layer.
 
Ang4I00 said:
Nero has resistance to power null, which includes resistance to resistance neg because of the nature of Demonic Energy, so he's not bypassing Nero's resistances anyway. Even if the fire is greater in temp than Nero's resistance, Nero will just regen from that no problem.
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What stops Kai from attacking him while he regenerate?
Ang4I00 said:
All Nero needs to do is land a single hit with Yamato and it's GG.
Voting Nero btw
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Yet Kai can insta K.O him the moment he hits him with RDT
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Thats literally just range or more accurately directions of extra axis. Not potency. Not to mention everything aside from EE you mentioned is material. Which is....3D. Like what does even HD poison or biology gonna be? Atleast EE can be understood to have extra axis in AOE but like dawg biology or poison?

Bruh what?

AP is not hax potency, durability is not resistance layer.
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It's important to separate the case of Power or Potency from the case of Range or Area of Effect. A higher-dimensional character might be immune to manipulation of their non-physical mind due to being outside of the manipulator's range, but not due to their non-physical mind being fundamentally harder to affect. Of course, exceptions may apply if there are statements or feats that prove the opposite.

Another way an ability can be shown to have smurf potency / power is in its ability to significantly affect a structure of uncountably infinite size
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Thats literally just range or more accurately directions of extra axis. Not potency. Not to mention everything aside from EE you mentioned is material. Which is....3D. Like what does even HD poison or biology gonna be? Atleast EE can be understood to have extra axis in AOE but like dawg biology or poison?

Bruh what?
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What are you talking about? Poison and Biology can be smurfed such as using them to effect beings of higher dimensionality.
 
@AigerTheKing @Thermor
That... is still range. Also notice how it mentions affecting "higher dimensions". Not just simple durability. Attacking some 3D guy who have Low1C dura isn't gonna make you smurf. Affecting someone who have higher dimensional physiology can give you those many dimensions of range, thus "potency". Which is just fancy AOE is extra directions. Not hax potency.
Thermor said:
What are you talking about? Poison and Biology can be smurfed such as using them to effect beings of higher dimensionality.
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is it the case here? Actual dimensionality, not simply durability. Also even that smurf is range.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Also even that smurf is range.
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I am not knowledgable enough in the verse to make a comment but correcting your claims regarding poison being only range, it's directly said here that poison is exactly like EE which can be smurfed.
vsbattles.com

can we please add an NLF note regarding the durability negation page

it says on the dura neg page "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability" there are some people on here who think a 9-B character with dura neg can negate a 5-D characters dura or a High 1-A character's dura and this is assuming the character is NOT a smurf
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Thermor said:
I am not knowledgable enough in the verse to make a comment but correcting your claims regarding poison being only range, it's directly said here that poison is exactly like EE which can be smurfed.
vsbattles.com

can we please add an NLF note regarding the durability negation page

it says on the dura neg page "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability" there are some people on here who think a 9-B character with dura neg can negate a 5-D characters dura or a High 1-A character's dura and this is assuming the character is NOT a smurf
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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  • If the "hax" interacts with durability (attacking organs, utilising pressure points), smurf is anything that works on greater-than-infinitely-higher-durability targets.
  • If the hax interacts with the target's physical body (poison, existence erasure), smurf is anything that works on higher-size or more real targets and can be focused on a smaller region.
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You may have some warped definition of smurf. What agnaa is defining is classic smurf definition. Or atleast the classical aspects.

For example a snake killing elephant with venom is smurf. that is correct. But that doesn't make it powerful poison, unless you pump more quantity or use different chemical or target some specific vulnerability in body etc. For example, a whale may or may not be killed by same snake venom dosage.

Thats not accounting for resistance or incompatible physiology, For example a robot or plant may not be affected at all.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
You may have some warped definition of smurf. What agnaa is defining is classic smurf definition. Or atleast the classical aspects.

For example a snake killing elephant with venom is smurf. that is correct. But that doesn't make it powerful poison, unless you pump more quantity or use different chemical or target some specific vulnerability in body etc. For example, a whale may or may not be killed by same snake venom dosage.

Thats not accounting for resistance or incompatible physiology, For example a robot or plant may not be affected at all.
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No? A snake killing an elephant here is just dura negation. A snake poison powers who scale to a 7D structure killing an elephant while the snake is physically weaker is smurf
 
AigerTheKing said:
No? A snake killing an elephant here is just dura negation. A snake poison powers who scale to a 7D structure killing an elephant while the snake is physically weaker is smurf
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
You may have some warped definition of smurf. What agnaa is defining is classic smurf definition. Or atleast the classical aspects.

For example a snake killing elephant with venom is smurf. that is correct. But that doesn't make it powerful poison, unless you pump more quantity or use different chemical or target some specific vulnerability in body etc. For example, a whale may or may not be killed by same snake venom dosage.

Thats not accounting for resistance or incompatible physiology, For example a robot or plant may not be affected at all.
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Its directly mentionned by staff here that fire and ice can be smurf
 
Lloydblitzed said:
As soon as he appears strong to him, or like if Kai see that Nero regen off his attacks constanly

Well the RDT is stronger than his DT. The main factor here is the fact that they can both access one shotting attacks with power up techniques
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Then I think Nero is far more likely to execute his one shot move, he can just use his Class M Devil Bringer to instantly snatch Kai, restrain/grab him and do this
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
@AigerTheKing @Thermor
That... is still range. Also notice how it mentions affecting "higher dimensions". Not just simple durability. Attacking some 3D guy who have Low1C dura isn't gonna make you smurf. Affecting someone who have higher dimensional physiology can give you those many dimensions of range, thus "potency". Which is just fancy AOE is extra directions. Not hax potency.

is it the case here? Actual dimensionality, not simply durability. Also even that smurf is range.
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It's not just L1C dura tho since the Stone warriors is directly immune to the First Spinjitzu Master, who's elemental powers including fire manip, capable of effecting L1C structures. So the stone warriors have smurf resistances by themselves and Kai can negate it
 
So, does he have Yamato?

If he does I'm pretty sure its a stomp cuz resistances, HGR and Yamato layers of bs. Eventually he is gonna use it and one shot with it.

If not then idk, Nero isn't one to use the hax available to him... nor am I totally sure he can use it anyways. The fight would be more H2H than hax which is good since hax fights are becoming boring lately.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Tony, without Yamato Nero is 7B. Also standard equipment, cannot be taken away.
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not really? he has his demonic power awakened after all

In 5 he was weaker than peak 4!Nero because he lost the Devil Bringer and only bridged the gap because of the Devil Breakers but outside of that he isn't dropping several tiers in power
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
not really? he has his demonic power awakened after all

In 5 he was weaker than peak 4!Nero because he lost the Devil Bringer and only bridged the gap because of the Devil Breakers but outside of that he isn't dropping several tiers in power
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Nope, weak without Yamato. 5Nero was powerful because of his training and rage, DBs hardly matter. 4Nero is unawakened without Yamato, game and novel make it clear.
thats how it is in profile.
 
What does Kai have against Nero's regeneration? If he can't get through it this is likely a stomp.
 
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