Kai (Ninjago) vs Hercules (God of War) [0-0-0]

[AigerTheKing]

Just gonna point down, but chances are the hammer bonks him.

Even if the hammer hits, Thor himself would likely die too

AoE.

Wouldn't that just be completely bypassed by big flames attack

BTW can I have Kai's fights in this key, just to find his first move. Cause if it's talking like a dipshit or not AoEing *******...

It should just be the same as base form as it didn't really get much screentime and they had to ram throught CK's soldiers to break the Overlord's crystal/snatch away the GWs when they had it

So you can't explain it, "It just is"... okay then, we're at an impass.

I saw it in a thread but pretty sure its via uncountably amount stuff

In mathematics, an uncountable set, informally, is an infinite set that contains too many elements to be countable. The uncountability of a set is closely related to its cardinal number: a set is uncountable if its cardinal number is larger than aleph-null, the cardinality of the natural numbers.

Examples of uncountable sets include the set ⁠R

⁠ of all real numbers and set of all subsets of the natural numbers.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I almost forgot, but Kai can also boost his speed with Spinjitzu and attack faster and make it easier for him to manage Thor and his hammer

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Huh added the votes

 

[Vietthai96]

@Planck69 @KLOL506

 

[Lloydblitzed]

@Planck69 @KLOL506

Mind answering this part about 17 Universes above 1 advantage?

No, it wouldn't. 17 universes is cool and all, but it's just "AP advantage", not "one-shot". Unquantifiable be like that

 

[Vietthai96]

Due to the distance between two universes is unqualifiable, thus no amount of multiplier can cover the gap, it sound really bad i know, but it is currently and we treats anyone who scales to more universes will oneshot the one who scales to less. However this isn't apply to tier 1 iirc, only tier 2, unless the verse specific that, destroy more tier 1 structure requires more power

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Due to the distance between two universes is unqualifiable, thus no amount of multiplier can cover the gap, it sound really bad i know, but it is currently and we treats anyone who scales to more universes will oneshot the one who scales to less. However this isn't apply to tier 1 iirc, only tier 2, unless the verse specific that, destroy more tier 1 structure requires more power

In Ninjago at least, people like Unagami who only scale to 1 Low 1-C structure is depicted as massively below those who can destroy 17 of them

 

[Vietthai96]

In Ninjago at least, people like Unagami who only scale to 1 Low 1-C structure is depicted as massively below those who can destroy 17 of them

It can simply be treated as having bigger scaling chain. You need good evidence to prove, not simply being stronger. Such as DBH which show that you need increases in Ki in order to destroy more (low 1-c) timelines, and Ki increases = physical stats increases.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It can simply be treated as having bigger scaling chain.

Well Unagami is physically limited to a single structure (due to encompassing it), while people like the Overlord, who is stronger than him, can destroy way more

You need good evidence to prove, not simply being stronger. Such as DBH which show that you need increases in Ki in order to destroy more (low 1-c) timelines, and Ki increases = physical stats increases.

FSM went from being able to affect only the 17 Low 1-C structures (in base) to scaling to everything in the cosmology with his Dragon Cores, including outside Realms, so yeah they can raise the amount of structures they can destroy depending on the lvl of their power

 

[Vietthai96]

Well Unagami is physically limited to a single structure (due to encompassing it), while people like the Overlord, who is stronger than him, can destroy way more

This is just scaling chain

FSM went from being able to affect only the 17 Low 1-C structures (in base) to scaling to everything in the cosmology with his Dragon Cores, including outside Realms, so yeah they can raise the amount of structures they can destroy depending on the lvl of their power

This could be more power = destroying more structure. But seems like an interpretation to me than a concrete evidence. Though idk the verse so i will not comment on it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This is just scaling chain

I still find it weird that a tier 1 guy destroying more Tier 1 structures than another would be on the same lvl as someone who does less, unless you're suggesting its just higher without quantifications

 

[Vietthai96]

I still find it weird that a tier 1 guy destroying more Tier 1 structures than another would be on the same lvl as someone who does less, unless you're suggesting its just higher without quantifications

Because tier 2 upward are all infinity and higher, multiplying infinity you still get infinity. Only tier 2 is having a weird standard of scaling to more universes = stronger due to the distance between universes being unknown

So unless the verse specific affecting more structure require more power. They are all baseline, and you get stronger via multiplier, boost, amp or scaling chain

 

[KLOL506]

Vietthai is right, the gap between two space-time continuums is unquantifiable because the space between those two would be of an insignificant 5-D size. The arguments I am assuming (Someone can correct me on that) apply to all other tiers above, insignificant higher-dimensional space separating them and all. However, this then results in another mess. If you blow up two universes, but the other guy blows up 3, that 3 universe attack will one-shot the two universe buster due to this unquantifiable gap as per the rules.

I actually doubt the AP will matter in the long run tho, because of the hax that Thor has with his hammer alone. Contact means certain death, and I don't recall Ninjago resisting anything at the CM1 level, especially layered CM1.

Speaking of hax, Thor's resistances are layered and at the CM1 level as well. Even the fire resistance he packs is on that level. Every single piece of magic GoW wields is at that level. How exactly is Kai bypassing those?

Not voting just yet, but I'd like to see what the others have on this.

@Planck69 @GilverTheProtoAngelo @Pepsimanslover_69

 

[KLOL506]

Anyways Thor can oneshot kratos

Just so you know, both were holding back and could've killed each other if they landed the right blow. Kratos got whacked because he made a mistake against Thor stemming from holding back too much, so this fight is basically unquantifiable.

When Kratos is actually serious, he facetanks that same exact blow without a care in the world and then proceeds to overpower Thor with every strike soon after.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

This is AP one shot vs Hax One shot, if you take the "unknowable distance between realms" seriously accross all tiers. Then it becomes who hits who first.

Or this is complete Thor stomp.

 

[Planck69]

Kai has no resistance to Type 1 concept manipulation that I can see, so any stray lightning bolt fries him.

Not a single hax ability he has is bypassing Thor's resistances. Thor also resists resistance negation via withstanding the Draupnir Spear's siphoning initially.

Thor has actual Tier 1 range with his attacks via shockwaves too. And can create AoE lightning blasts, albeit at a significantly shorter range.

This is just a who hits first that entirely depends on Kai having oneshot worthy AP to stand a remote chance.

 

[Pepsimanslover]

Doesn't speed equalization only apply to characters and not weapons? Therefore leading to Mjölnir moving at infinite speed to smite Kai? And thus speed stomp for Thor?

 

[KLOL506]

Doesn't speed equalization only apply to characters and not weapons? Therefore leading to Mjölnir moving at infinite speed to smite Kai? And thus speed stomp for Thor?

I think so? You couldn't equalize speed for weapons anyway last I checked.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Doesn't speed equalization only apply to characters and not weapons? Therefore leading to Mjölnir moving at infinite speed to smite Kai? And thus speed stomp for Thor?

Wouldn't that still fall under his attack Speed?

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles,

 

[Pepsimanslover]

Wouldn't that still fall under his attack Speed?

Nah as Mjölnir is it's own entity separate from Thor. Mjölnir's speed doesn't even rely on Thor (it can fight on it's own).

And given you can't equalize weapons, this is just a speed stomp from Mjölnir.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Nah as Mjölnir is it's own entity separate from Thor. Mjölnir's speed doesn't even rely on Thor (it can fight on it's own).

Well even so, why can't we speed equalize other entities helping in the match?

And given you can't equalize weapons, this is just a speed stomp from Mjölnir.

Since when is that a rule?

 

[KLOL506]

Since when is that a rule?

Since at least 2021, but it seems like it wasn't applied (Apparently it only covers IRL firearms). I'll ask DontTalkDT.

 

[Pepsimanslover]

Well even so, why can't we speed equalize other entities helping in the match?

Since when is that a rule?

It's never been officially established, but it has been a way to consider win cons. Case in point,

Garou vs Kratos

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garou#Notable_Victories https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kratos#Innate Both at multi solar, speed equalized

vsbattles.com

Furthermore, matchmaking only extends to characters. It's why we can't make weapon profiles and location profiles fight, and therefore why the speed equal rule doesn't apply to them.

 

[KLOL506]

Even assuming speed was equalized on all fronts, it basically becomes a matter of who hits who. Kai's wincon is AP, Thor's wincon is hax and range.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Even assuming speed was equalized on all fronts, it basically becomes a matter of who hits who. Kai's wincon is AP, Thor's wincon is hax and range.

Well like the other guy said before, Kai can technically enhance his AP and especially his Speed with Spinjitzu

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Use Ares instead of Thor.

 

[KLOL506]

Use Ares instead of Thor.

Ares would be a haxstomp of ungodly proportions. Dude can teleport, BFR, play mind-games, make copies of his enemies, Power Null and Steal, plus AD.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Ares would be a haxstomp of ungodly proportions. Dude can teleport, BFR, play mind-games, make copies of his enemies, Power Null and Steal, plus AD.

way to expose the joke.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Ares would be a haxstomp of ungodly proportions. Dude can teleport, BFR, play mind-games, make copies of his enemies, Power Null and Steal, plus AD.

Anyone else I can use? I wanted to do something related to GOW

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Try Freya

 

[KLOL506]

Try Freya

Seidr, Bifrost, Vanir Magic, BFR, whole 9 yards, plus all that Revenant bullshit. Haxstomp.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Seidr, Bifrost, Vanir Magic, BFR, whole 9 yards, plus all that Revenant bullshit. Haxstomp.

Can't I use one of Thor's son? Since they can't control their weapons like their dad can

 

[KLOL506]

Can't I use one of Thor's son? Since they can't control their weapons like their dad can

Ends up being a stomp.

 

[Pepsimanslover]

Anyone else I can use? I wanted to do something related to GOW

There's Hercules. He has a Hax advantage through CM1 and his stuns but beside that he doesn't have a big range aoe or starts with any ranged one shot powerful hax. His range is also meh. His weapons also has no separate speed or is even it's own entity.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hi yes, as someone who deals in Speed Equal Rules a lot, Mjolnir is a part of Thor's kit, so it's reduced by the same amount Thor is. The only reason this applies to firearms is because a bullet moving at 2 meters a second is dogshit.

 

[KLOL506]

Hi yes, as someone who deals in Speed Equal Rules a lot, Mjolnir is a part of Thor's kit, so it's reduced by the same amount Thor is. The only reason this applies to firearms is because a bullet moving at 2 meters a second is dogshit.

Hi there, too late of a response, speed equal doesn't matter, fight turns inconclusive due to hax layering BS.

 

[KLOL506]

There's Hercules. He has a Hax advantage through CM1 and his stuns but beside that he doesn't have a big range aoe or starts with any ranged one shot powerful hax. His range is also meh. His weapons also has no separate speed or is even it's own entity.

Assuming Herc doesn't get swiped by the AP gap instantly

 

[Lloydblitzed]

There's Hercules. He has a Hax advantage through CM1 and his stuns but beside that he doesn't have a big range aoe or starts with any ranged one shot powerful hax. His range is also meh. His weapons also has no separate speed or is even it's own entity.

Alright, I'll change the thread to this then

 

[KLOL506]

What's stopping this from being an AP stomp?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What's stopping this from being an AP stomp?

Hax