Nero (Devil May Cry) vs Kai (Ninjago) [5-0-0]

[Lloydblitzed]

DMC has one of the strongest/haxiests 4-C characters in the wiki, so I hope this ain't a stomp



Rules:
Post Releasment and Post Devil Trigger keys are used
Speed is equalized
Nero has access to his Red Queen
Kai has access to his Golden Katanna
Starting distance is 15m
Fight takes place in the jungle of Chen's Island

Nero: @GilverTheProtoAngelo @Ang4I00 @Hecky2222 @Gohan?_You're_still_alive? @Nonynho
Kai:
Incon:

 

[AigerTheKing]

Can Kai even kill this guy? He has High-Godly Regeneration

 

[Dark_Shadow-34513]

I wonder what kind of Wincon Kai has to counter Nero?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I wonder what kind of Wincon Kai has to counter Nero?

RDT I suppose, or just trying to K.O him via Spinjitzu. Kai has a slight AP advantage over him, but its very small

 

[Hecky2222]

How many layers of hax Kai has?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How many layers of hax Kai has?

None. Only Resist Neg and some layered Mind Hax resistances

 

[Hecky2222]

None. Only Resist Neg and some layered Mind Hax resistances

Here is a catch

Info/CM is layered from Nero, although exact layers can be told by @Tony_di_bugalu, so to kill his AE you would have to bypass all this layers and even by that he would have HGR from Info and Concept, from what i see Kai doesn't have Regen Neg.

And pretty sure Res Neg in DMC indexed as Power Null per @SuperSonicTL words

Idk how many layers Ninjago mind hax is but Nero resists layered mind hax(idk again numbers) as indexed here

 

[AigerTheKing]

Here is a catch

Info/CM is layered from Nero, although exact layers can be told by @Tony_di_bugalu, so to kill his AE you would have to bypass all this layers and even by that he would have HGR from Info and Concept, from what i see Kai doesn't have Regen Neg.

And pretty sure Res Neg in DMC indexed as Power Null per @SuperSonicTL words

Idk how many layers Ninjago mind hax is but Nero resists layered mind hax(idk again numbers) as indexed here

So the only way for Kai to beat him is to knock him out or outlast him

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Here is a catch

Info/CM is layered from Nero, although exact layers can be told by @Tony_di_bugalu, so to kill his AE you would have to bypass all this layers and even by that he would have HGR from Info and Concept, from what i see Kai doesn't have Regen Neg.

And pretty sure Res Neg in DMC indexed as Power Null per @SuperSonicTL words

Idk how many layers Ninjago mind hax is but Nero resists layered mind hax(idk again numbers) as indexed here

Yeah given all of this I don't Kai can completely kill him, but like the other guy said, has a chance of winning throught K.O.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Yeah given all of this I don't Kai can completely kill him, but like the other guy said, has a chance of winning throught K.O.

Could Nero copy Kai's Ninja skills by just observing him use them, or is that a bit far off from what the Sparda Bloodline could do?

Accelerated Development (Training, Abilities), Genius Intelligence (Extraordinary Geniuses), and Technique Mimicry (The Sparda bloodline are almost perfect beings capable of achieving anything, conquering tasks they had yet to master in a few seconds and mastering any moveset in mere moments of observation. Gilver, a clone of Vergil, became familiar with a gun in seconds despite not knowing much about firearms and be uncomfortable with them in the first place. Dante can blend art and science in his movesets and has shown to be able to quickly master all the objects, weapons and vehicles he uses

And what does Kai do if Nero decides to spam swords at him?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Could Nero copy Kai's Ninja skills by just observing him use them, or is that a bit far off from what the Sparda Bloodline could do?

Not sure, seems reliant on the stuff they learn rather than just viewing Kai doing Spinjitzu and automatically figuring out how it works

And what does Kai do if Nero decides to spam swords at him?

Spinjitzu to block the attacks. Since its stronger than his normal self, he should be able to counter those

 

[AigerTheKing]

Not sure, seems reliant on the stuff they learn rather than just viewing Kai doing Spinjitzu and automatically figuring out how it works


Spinjitzu to block the attacks. Since its stronger than his normal self, he should be able to counter those

Nero can also enhance his attacks, given that you said he has access to the Red Queen

Minor Fire Manipulation (With the Red Queen, can spray a flammable propellant across Red Queen's blade to enhance the power of its strikes)

I think it comes down to skills since they are pretty tied in strength

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Nero can block with Devil Bringer, which has absurd durability.
Nero can also insta kill if he uses Yamato, cua ya know dura neg, power null and soul hax stuff.

 

[Tanin_iver]

Here is a catch

Info/CM is layered from Nero, although exact layers can be told by @Tony_di_bugalu, so to kill his AE you would have to bypass all this layers and even by that he would have HGR from Info and Concept, from what i see Kai doesn't have Regen Neg.

And pretty sure Res Neg in DMC indexed as Power Null per @SuperSonicTL words

Idk how many layers Ninjago mind hax is but Nero resists layered mind hax(idk again numbers) as indexed here

Nero should be in the 30 ish ball park for layers, iirc.

RDT I suppose, or just trying to K.O him via Spinjitzu.

Can you elaborate these?

Kai has a slight AP advantage over him, but its very small

How big is the difference?
Nero has very good AD.

Could Nero copy Kai's Ninja skills by just observing him use them, or is that a bit far off from what the Sparda Bloodline could do?

Maybe, but that isn't really Nero's style.
Like he kept to Red Queen, Blue rose and uses his Devil Bringer for finishers.
He has style and theatrics but he is more the brute force kinda guy rather than someone who will try to outskill or skill stomp.
But he proficiently used Yamato once he acquired it. So ehh.

Also he isn't that haxxed beyond just DMC Magic bs in this key. But he has decent resistances bcos of Phys.

 

[Ang4I00]

What stops Nero from just ragdolling Kai with Class M Devil Bringer which he uses almost every time?
Nero is just unkillable for Kai because of HGR, if he goes DT then he one shots with any attack due to Yamato space-time dura neg.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I vote Nero.

 

[Random-Helper323]

This seems like a stomp.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Doesn't Nero also have greater skill cause DmC dumb skillslop?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

greater or lesser is a relative term, depends one how good the Ninjago guy is, no one has elaborated.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What stops Nero from just ragdolling Kai with Class M Devil Bringer which he uses almost every time?
Nero is just unkillable for Kai because of HGR, if he goes DT then he one shots with any attack due to Yamato space-time dura neg.

Huh I didn't mean to allow Yamato as a weapon in this MU

Nero should be in the 30 ish ball park for layers, iirc.

Damn

Can you elaborate these?

RDT is a 10x amp and Spinjitzu has no multiplier but its one shot lvl

How big is the difference?
Nero has very good AD.

Elaborated above

Maybe, but that isn't really Nero's style.
Like he kept to Red Queen, Blue rose and uses his Devil Bringer for finishers.
He has style and theatrics but he is more the brute force kinda guy rather than someone who will try to outskill or skill stomp.
But he proficiently used Yamato once he acquired it. So ehh.

Also he isn't that haxxed beyond just DMC Magic bs in this key. But he has decent resistances bcos of Phys.

I see

 

[Ang4I00]

Huh I didn't mean to allow Yamato as a weapon in this MU

You can't restrict Yamato because it's his standard equipment and doesn't have it's own tier, unless you don't want this match added. It is also intrinsically a part of this key because Yamato is what allows him to unleash his power in that key.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yeah, taking away Yamato is like taking away Mjolnir from Thor. Without Yamato Nero loses most of his powers like Devil Trigger and drops to 7B key. Only difference between 7B key and 4C key is Yamato.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You can't restrict Yamato because it's his standard equipment and doesn't have it's own tier, unless you don't want this match added. It is also intrinsically a part of this key because Yamato is what allows him to unleash his power in that key.

Even then, Kai still has a 10x amp to compensate

 

[Ang4I00]

Even then, Kai still has a 10x amp to compensate

Not sure how 10x amp saves him from getting dura negged by a single Yamato slash

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Nero can close gap with DT, which is a one-shot amp. And grow very fast with AD/RE and rage power. Dura neg is still on the table.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Not sure how 10x amp saves him from getting dura negged by a single Yamato slash

Shoot him and burn him from a range or throw big explosive attacks

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Shoot him and burn him from a range or throw big explosive attacks

Is that in character how he fights? Like how does he start?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Nero can close gap with DT, which is a one-shot amp. And grow very fast with AD/RE and rage power. Dura neg is still on the table.

He can still fly around with it and ignore his fire resistances due to his Resist Negation. It should also enhance his speed since its a superior form of Spinjitzu, which already is a speed amp

Is that in character how he fights? Like how does he start?

RDT is what he would use against a strong opponent, and yes he can start fights by attacking from a range with his element

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

He can still fly around with it and ignore his fire resistances due to his Resist Negation. It should also enhance his speed since its a superior form of Spinjitzu, which already is a speed amp

how hot is fire? I believe fire and heat hax are discussed in temperatures.

DT is also a speed amp, Nero can amp his speed further by rocketing with Red Queen exceed or table hopper.

RDT is what he would use against a strong opponent, and yes he can start fights by attacking from a range

Would he know how strong Nero is?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

how hot is fire? I believe fire and heat hax are discussed in temperatures.

The temperature wouldn't matter here cuz resistance negation would mean that his resistance alltogheter is nulled

Would he know how strong Nero is?

He can't sense power level of opponents but can tell by fighting someone or when his opponent use a form that looks dangerous

 

[AigerTheKing]

This seems like a stomp.

Don't they both have one shot wincoins here?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

The temperature wouldn't matter here cuz resistance negation would mean that his resistance alltogheter is nulled

Not how heat works. I believe resistance neg wouldn't apply to hax like heat or cold without extenuatting circumstances, since those kind of hax are measurind and compared in temperature. We had threads about this.

He can't sense power level of opponents but can tell by fighting someone or when his opponent use a form that looks dangerous

Thats bad news for Kai, especially since not only can he not sense power or read magic, but he will fail to recognise hax and stuff and will be unaware of their danger.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Not how heat works. I believe resistance neg wouldn't apply to hax like heat or cold without extenuatting circumstances, since those kind of hax are measurind and compared in temperature. We had threads about this.

He was able to bypass the heat resistances of beings who resist it on a 5D lvl while being 4-C. Even at the minimum, his fire is capable of melting the Golden Armor and reforge it back into the Golden Weapons (The Golden Armor = the GWs, just in another form btw) who weren't destroyed after falling of a star they made

Thats bad news for Kai, especially since not only can he not sense power or read magic, but he will fail to recognise hax and stuff and will be unaware of their danger.

Im pretty sure Kai is not dumb and would not let himself get hit by Yamato's sword attacks or tank them on purpose, and he would quickly recognize the dangers of his opponent if he see Nero transform or take his attacks

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

He was able to bypass the heat resistances of beings who resist it on a 5D lvl while being 4-C. Even at the minimum, his fire is capable of melting the Golden Armor and reforge it back into the Golden Weapons (The Golden Armor = the GWs, just in another form btw) who weren't destroyed after falling of a star they made

Dimensionality doesn't apply to fire, let alone smurf. That's just unquantifiable upscale in temps, not res neg.

Im pretty sure Kai is not dumb and would not let himself get hit by Yamato's sword attacks or tank them on purpose, and he would quickly recognize the dangers of his opponent if he see Nero transform or take his attacks

I mean I guess, no one wants to tank slashing attacks in general if they weren't confident of surviving it via tanking or healing. But like going for a weapon clash or blocking will lead to a very rude surprise.

Also Yamato has ranged attacks with energy waves, so thats another surprise. There's also summoned swords, more amp via charged shots, and Bringer spectral arms.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Dimensionality doesn't apply to fire, let alone smurf. That's just unquantifiable upscale in temps, not res neg.

In what way are fire attacks from a Low 1-C being not Low 1-C ?

I mean I guess, no one wants to tank slashing attacks in general if they weren't confident of surviving it via tanking or healing. But like going for a weapon clash or blocking will lead to a very rude surprise.

Spinjitzu is like a shield, so it wouldn't directly hit Kai, and even then, Im pretty sure EMs have resistance to their own attacks and Kai's powers were used to shut down cuts in space time

Spatial Manipulation (Elemental Powers can close MergeQuakes, which are cracks in reality)

Also Yamato has ranged attacks with energy waves, so thats another surprise. There's also summoned swords, more amp via charged shots, and Bringer spectral arms.

He could dodge the ranged Yamato sword slashes and block the sword attacks with Spinjitzu like mentionned above

 

[AigerTheKing]

Dimensionality doesn't apply to fire, let alone smurf. That's just unquantifiable upscale in temps, not res neg.

Smurf are only non-applicable to metaphysical hax, not fire

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

In what way are fire attacks from a Low 1-C being not Low 1-C ?

Thats AP, not temp.

Spinjitzu is like a shield, so it wouldn't directly hit Kai, and even then, Im pretty sure EMs have resistance to their own attacks and Kai's powers were used to shut down cuts in space time

Yamato bypassed such resistances. Not just esoteric but also spatio-temporal.

He could dodge the ranged Yamato sword slashes and block the sword attacks with Spinjitzu like mentionned above

Nero maybe a brutal straightforward fighter, but he plays like a poker player, always keeping aces up his sleeve for surprise, there's a reason he names his moves after gambling moves.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Smurf are only non-applicable to metaphysical hax, not fire

Smurfs only apply to 1A. Or direct spatio-temporal stuff in relevent cases. Atleast metaphsyical hax have layers, Fire don't even have layers, let alone smurf. Only temperature.

 

[Thermor]

Smurfs only apply to 1A. Or direct spatio-temporal stuff in relevent cases. Atleast metaphsyical hax have layers, Fire don't even have layers, let alone smurf. Only temperature.

Where it says smurfs only apply to 1A? It's only reserved for metaphysical haxes. Things like EE, biology, poison, etc can still be smurfed in dimensionality.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Smurfs only apply to 1A. Or direct spatio-temporal stuff in relevent cases. Atleast metaphsyical hax have layers, Fire don't even have layers, let alone smurf. Only temperature.

A character with 4-C AP possessing the powers to bypass the Fire resistance of a warrior who resisted Low 1-C Fire would not gain Low 1-C AP from this. The page never say its limited to 1-As