The Boys discussion thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don’t know why everyone thinks Butcher got a power-up in the last episode when, throughout the series, he mostly just avoided head-on fights rather than being shown as way weaker than Homelander. In the first episode, he was ready to fight Homelander when Hughie was captured. In the second episode, he put SB under the ground by throwing a car at him. In the third episode, he was shown to be tough enough to stand his ground when Ryan tried to push him back, even though Ryan was strong enough to hurt Homelander. Against Kimiko, he still no-diffed her even though both of them were affected by the plant drug. I don’t think that means Butcher was only Kimiko level. He only got overpowered by Bombsight, who was tough enough to take hits from SB, and even SB himself got hurt by him. I don’t think that should be considered an anti-feat. Have you ever considered that Bombsight might simply be stronger than him? SB had to shove a rod into his mouth and try to choke him to death. In the final episode, Butcher was also holding his ground against Homelander. If there are any other minor cases where Butcher was shown to be weak, I’d just consider them PIS, because whenever he’s up against the main cast, he’s consistently shown to be comparatively strong.

 

[AyzVoidX]

1919, same as Stormfront. This was indirectly confirmed by The Legend when he spoke about the age gap between the then 19 year old Phoebe Cates (1963) and 63 year old Soldier Boy.

According to his statue he was born in 1910. We may have a problem with his age.

 

[Just_Butchering]

He didn't struggle against Kimiko
He was caught off guard.And after that he no diffed her.

By your logic, she can do the same to the likes of Soldier Boy and Homelander by "catching them off guard". Which no, she wouldn't. They have already show that they can one shot her, Butcher couldn't, even under the effects of something making him want to kill his teammates.

That just leaves us with one feat and one anti feat.
And Bombsight could just be PIS since the plot required that he loses to soldier boy.

You keep saying the narrative is "Butcher can totally defeat this man, but nah, he has to get no diff alongside Kimiko so Soldier Boy can you up, but don't worry, Butcher will show up his true power". Instead of "Shit, only Ryan has somewhat the power to fight Homelander in the finale... Hm, well, everyone wants Butcher to fight him anyways, so **** it, he can match him now."

I don’t know why everyone thinks Butcher got a power-up in the last episode when, throughout the series, he mostly just avoided head-on fights rather than being shown as way weaker than Homelander. In the first episode, he was ready to fight Homelander when Hughie was captured.

The suicidal man risk it all for the one that matters the most to him.

In the second episode, he put SB under the ground by throwing a car at him.

It was barely temporary, and Kenji did the same to Homelander, so where's his upgrade.

In the third episode, he was shown to be tough enough to stand his ground when Ryan tried to push him back, even though Ryan was strong enough to hurt Homelander.

Is not like Ryan can hitting him with all his strength, and if he was, then your point is "Butcher > Homelander", which would obviously be wrong.

Against Kimiko, he still no-diffed her even though both of them were affected by the plant drug. I don’t think that means Butcher was only Kimiko level.

I'm not saying they are equals, but that while he is stronger, is not by magnitudes. Kinda like, Noir defeating Kimiko or Starlight, and no with the ease that Soldier Boy easily dealt with the latter two. Besides Kimiko still got hits in that hurt him and she withstood his hits. They have to at least relative.

He only got overpowered by Bombsight, who was tough enough to take hits from SB, and even SB himself got hurt by him. I don’t think that should be considered an anti-feat. Have you ever considered that Bombsight might simply be stronger than him? SB had to shove a rod into his mouth and try to choke him to death.

Soldier Boy has always been referred to as "the only one nearly as strong as [Homelander]", so as strong as Bombsight is, he can't be superior to either. Butcher and Kimiko both took a hit, then recovered, while Butcher was knocked out by the second hit. Kimiko got saved by Goldie.
Heck, it's even possible that Robbie was holding back, given how the mostly prioritize saving Goldie and ignored the humans fighters.

In the final episode, Butcher was also holding his ground against Homelander. If there are any other minor cases where Butcher was shown to be weak, I’d just consider them PIS, because whenever he’s up against the main cast, he’s consistently shown to be comparatively strong.

He literally fought two "Homelander level" characters, and got clapped by the weaker one. Him fighting Homelander, as cool as it is, as great it would be for the scaling, just makes no sense.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The suicidal man risk it all for the one that matters the most to him.

I don't think he was suicidal enough at that point. He prioritized Frenchie, and he wanted to kill HL with the virus. He wouldn't have jumped in if he didn't have any other choice.

It was barely temporary, and Kenji did the same to Homelander, so where's his upgrade.

Forgot what he did. If his telekinesis had enough power to put pressure on it, then go ahead and scale it — I don't care. But SB was under the ground; it's not like he just brushed off the car. Either way, telekinesis and overpowering someone with pure raw power are different things.

Is not like Ryan can hitting him with all his strength, and if he was, then your point is "Butcher > Homelander", which would obviously be wrong.

Which I never claimed. The Ryan stuff is just supportive evidence. Butcher is comparable to HL, though weaker, just like how Ryan can still harm him. I'm not saying Butcher straight-up stomps him.

I'm not saying they are equals, but that while he is stronger, is not by magnitudes. Kinda like, Noir defeating Kimiko or Starlight, and no with the ease that Soldier Boy easily dealt with the latter two. Besides Kimiko still got hits in that hurt him and she withstood his hits. They have to at least relative.

Can we take a look at how both of them are portrayed?
S4 finale: she and Starlight literally back down from the fight.
S5 E2: she got stopped by Hughie.
S5, idk the episode number — after Sameer gets out, Butcher tried to kill Kimiko, but Frenchie stopped him.
I really don't see Kimiko throwing cars at SB, putting him under the ground, or punching and damaging HL on her own the way Butcher was doing. I think it's clearly narratively established that Butcher stomps Kimiko if he really wanted to.

If you think Butcher vs Kimiko stuff in that plant drug is an anti feat then just call it PIS.

Soldier Boy has always been referred to as "the only one nearly as strong as [Homelander]", so as strong as Bombsight is, he can't be superior to either.

Idk man, by feats, obviously Bombsight shows better stuff than how SB fought HL. SB never got hurt trying to punch HL or Butcher in previous seasons. I'm just going by feats rather than statements, which are currently contradicting the feats since I'm not seeing HL show the same level of durability or power as Bombsight so far. Either the statement is PIS, or the feats themselves are PIS.

Butcher and Kimiko both took a hit, then recovered, while Butcher was knocked out by the second hit. Kimiko got saved by Goldie.
Heck, it's even possible that Robbie was holding back, given how the mostly prioritize saving Goldie and ignored the humans fighters

Didn't he just throw him off, which made him get knocked out? Also, Butcher did hold down Bombsight for a second before getting overpowered, while Kimiko didn't really do much.

He literally fought two "Homelander level" characters, and got clapped by the weaker one. Him fighting Homelander, as cool as it is, as great it would be for the scaling, just makes no sense.

The thing is, he was weaker against HL too. If you actually watch the fight, HL was trying to run and was panicking, unlike Bombsight, who was just trying to cook him.

Anyway, now I see why you're fixated on this — because only SB was considered the closest to HL in power. Like I said, I'm going by feats rather than statements, but I guess you're right if we take the statement literally.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I don't think he was suicidal enough at that point. He prioritized Frenchie, and he wanted to kill HL with the virus. He wouldn't have jumped in if he didn't have any other choice.

And he didn't, he didn't knew A-Train was coming so it was he only shot at saving Hughie.

Forgot what he did. If his telekinesis had enough power to put pressure on it, then go ahead and scale it — I don't care. But SB was under the ground; it's not like he just brushed off the car. Either way, telekinesis and overpowering someone with pure raw power are different things.

What I mean is that a weaker supe can affect a stronger one with the right "weapon", even supes use objects against each other. Yeeting a car at high speeds should be enough to temporarily stop Soldier Boy, but it's not like it need any serious damage, plus Butcher ran away.

Which I never claimed. The Ryan stuff is just supportive evidence. Butcher is comparable to HL, though weaker, just like how Ryan can still harm him. I'm not saying Butcher straight-up stomps him.

It doesn't support anything, we don't even know how hard Ryan was going.

Can we take a look at how both of them are portrayed?
S4 finale: she and Starlight literally back down from the fight.
S5 E2: she got stopped by Hughie.
S5, idk the episode number — after Sameer gets out, Butcher tried to kill Kimiko, but Frenchie stopped him.
I really don't see Kimiko throwing cars at SB, putting him under the ground, or punching and damaging HL on her own the way Butcher was doing. I think it's clearly narratively established that Butcher stomps Kimiko if he really wanted to.

With his tendrils, yes. But not his own body.
He killed Neuman with those, and Neuman is meant to superior to Kimiko. I can see his tendrils putting the work better than Kimiko, but not to the point of scaling to Homelander, specially since in the finale Butcher is also fighting physically, which makes no sense.

If you think Butcher vs Kimiko stuff in that plant drug is an anti feat then just call it PIS.

So everything is PiS as long as it supports your narrative? Because the side that says Butcher scales to Homelander just keeps treating every that he did before that shows he is weaker as pis, instead of the obvious only instead he is.

Idk man, by feats, obviously Bombsight shows better stuff than how SB fought HL. SB never got hurt trying to punch HL or Butcher in previous seasons. I'm just going by feats rather than statements, which are currently contradicting the feats since I'm not seeing HL show the same level of durability or power as Bombsight so far. Either the statement is PIS, or the feats themselves are PIS.

Didn't knew Bombsight was the new strongest. Also, Butcher himself lasted nothing while Soldier Boy put up a fight and basically won it. That right there shows Butcher is weaker.

Didn't he just throw him off, which made him get knocked out? Also, Butcher did hold down Bombsight for a second before getting overpowered, while Kimiko didn't really do much.

Tendrils lifting strength, nothing else.

The thing is, he was weaker against HL too. If you actually watch the fight, HL was trying to run and was panicking, unlike Bombsight, who was just trying to cook him.

Yeah but you're saying he "weaker but comparable" when in fact he far weaker and that's it.

Anyway, now I see why you're fixated on this

Pedantic, but whatever.

because only SB was considered the closest to HL in power. Like I said, I'm going by feats rather than statements, but I guess you're right if we take the statement literally.

No, it's because he hasn't had a single feat that scales him anywhere close to Homelander, and I'm "fixated" only because it keeps being brought up with the argument "nah, the one fight in the finale is what matters and everything else is PIS".

 

[Katipax]

It doesn't support anything, we don't even know how hard Ryan was going.

I'd assume he wasn't holding back given the fact that he was attacking Homelander for the fact he had r@ped his mother/Butcher's wife.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I'd assume he wasn't holding back given the fact that he was attacking Homelander for the fact he had r@ped his mother/Butcher's wife.

Against Butcher I meant. He clearly was going serious against Homelander

 

[Ethnikistis]

By your logic, she can do the same to the likes of Soldier Boy and Homelander by "catching them off guard". Which no, she wouldn't. They have already show that they can one shot her, Butcher couldn't, even under the effects of something making him want to kill his teammates.

Kimiko, yeah she can lift soldier boy and slightly throw him on a wall if she catches him off guard,it wont do anything since theyre more durable than Butcher fosho.The fact is that Kimiko doesn't have the chance to catch these characters off guard, it's near impossible in any scenario where they face eachother.And yeah Butcher didn't kill her because he had another target.The drug didn't make them kill anyone in sight,they made them turn on comrades for certain reasons,and Butcher was going after Hughie not Kimiko for certain reasons.

You keep saying the narrative is "Butcher can totally defeat this man, but nah, he has to get no diff alongside Kimiko so Soldier Boy can you up, but don't worry, Butcher will show up his true power". Instead of "Shit, only Ryan has somewhat the power to fight Homelander in the finale... Hm, well, everyone wants Butcher to fight him anyways, so **** it, he can match him now."

Yes Ill consider his performance against Bombsight as PIS because the plot required that Bombsight loses to SB so he can give him the V1.And the Butcher telling Ryan that he is the only shot against homelander,is Butcher just saying that Ryan is the only one who can keep Homelander at bay so he doesn't fly off the moment the Virus unveils.But even in that scenario Butcher included himself in keeping Homie at bay,not just Ryan,which is ultimately what happened.

 

[E1iminxtion]

if we keep praising AI then characteristics like talent and hard work will lose their value.

they lost that a long time ago clearly, but whatever

 

[Just_Butchering]

Kimiko, yeah she can lift soldier boy and slightly throw him on a wall if she catches him off guard,it wont do anything since theyre more durable than Butcher fosho.The fact is that Kimiko doesn't have the chance to catch these characters off guard, it's near impossible in any scenario where they face eachother.

She still took several hits from him, one being an elbow to the face and she remained standing

And yeah Butcher didn't kill her because he had another target.The drug didn't make them kill anyone in sight,they made them turn on comrades for certain reasons,and Butcher was going after Hughie not Kimiko for certain reasons.

Kimiko had no reasons to target MM or Hughie, and yet she did.

Yes Ill consider his performance against Bombsight as PIS because the plot required that Bombsight loses to SB so he can give him the V1.

You can Butcher put up a better fight and still have SB take the W and the V1. But the fight wasn't that, it was Butcher easily getting defeated.

And the Butcher telling Ryan that he is the only shot against homelander,is Butcher just saying that Ryan is the only one who can keep Homelander at bay so he doesn't fly off the moment the Virus unveils.But even in that scenario Butcher included himself in keeping Homie at bay,not just Ryan,which is ultimately what happened.

He was bay to bring Homelander, not pin him down. And even then, Butcher could do it via Lifting strength with tendrils (though even then I have my doubts, since Homelander can easily slice them)

 

[Ethnikistis]

She still took several hits from him, one being an elbow to the face and she remained standing

Yes and threw her later on the wall, almost exactly how soldier boy handled her in the S3 Finale.The only reason she even contested against Butcher is because she caught him off guard twice.

Kimiko had no reasons to target MM or Hughie, and yet she did.

And Butcher had Hughie as a target and only went after him,he attacked Kimiko because she attacked first.

You can Butcher put up a better fight and still have SB take the W and the V1. But the fight wasn't that, it was Butcher easily getting defeated.

The plot was that BS has a clear fight against SB with no distractions, Butcher being on the standby would lead to SB losing against the two of them.Again this is one anti feat vs one feat.

He was bay to bring Homelander, not pin him down. And even then, Butcher could do it via Lifting strength with tendrils (though even then I have my doubts, since Homelander can easily slice them)

Im saying that Butcher didn't exactly say "Ryan youre the only one who can actually contest Homelander",he made a plan where they both contest him in order for the Virus to take effect ,while also kinda implying that Ryan is stronger than him(From Butchers perspective).

 

[Just_Butchering]

Yes and threw her later on the wall, almost exactly how soldier boy handled her in the S3 Finale.The only reason she even contested against Butcher is because she caught him off guard twice.

And she still more hits from Butcher than she did from Soldier Boy.

And Butcher had Hughie as a target and only went after him,he attacked Kimiko because she attacked first.

So... Doesn't change what I said.

The plot was that BS has a clear fight against SB with no distractions, Butcher being on the standby would lead to SB losing against the two of them.Again this is one anti feat vs one feat.

I genuinely give up on this point. Agree to disagree and when the thread comes let others argue. Like, 100% just saying "PIS" goes both ways. But yeah, I do think it's more of a PIS instance that Butcher skyrockets in power to fight Homelander than it is for him to supposedly be nerfed into oblivion for SB.

 

[57Dev]

So we have confirmed Soldier boy < Ryan right ? Kid has put in the most work against Homelander in the series.

 

[57Dev]

I 100% think that the Bombsight anti feat is pis. Other than that Butcher has kept himself as a high tier.

In episode 1 he casually floors Kimiko, dog walked Cindy (Star Light literally ran away from her in S4), took a beam from Homelander and was ready to throw hands with him.

In episode 2 he stuns SB for a while but more importantly and something a lot of people overlooked. Rock Hard. Butcher went into the Teenage kix base fully expecting to beat and drag a "Nearly Homelander" level character back to his van. They didn't know he had turned into Jabba x Korg.

In episode 3 Ryan isn't able to push him back, (Ryan already knows he is a supe) but more importantly he is written out of Stan's bunker area because he was there, he would have done in Noir, Cindy and Deep.

In epsiode 4 the only time Kimiko gets him is off guard. Plus he doesn't participate much in the fighting anyway to have anti feats.

In episode 6, his only actual sell. Bombsight. But again this is PIS because they needed to write him out of the scene to give Jensen Ackles another ten hours of screen time and promote Vought rising.

Ep7 nothing of note.

And ofcourse his solid showing against Homelander in the finale.

 

[Just_Butchering]

So we have confirmed Soldier boy < Ryan right ? Kid has put in the most work against Homelander in the series.

Ryan failed to defeat a holding back Homelander in EP3, so already it's weird how he did in Ep8, but even then, I wouldn't say he is stronger, but close.

I 100% think that the Bombsight anti feat is pis. Other than that Butcher has kept himself as a high tier.

In episode 1 he casually floors Kimiko

Kimiko didn't even knew who she was jumping, it's not clear if she went all out. Plus, the Ep4 fight says otherwise.

dog walked Cindy (Star Light literally ran away from her in S4)

Because of her telekinesis, and Butcher immediately stopped her hand to remove that.

took a beam from Homelander

So did Marie in Gen S1E8

and was ready to throw hands with him.

I mean, I guess? It reads more like "I don't fear you".

In episode 2 he stuns SB for a while

It was about 10 seconds and I already addressed that.

but more importantly and something a lot of people overlooked. Rock Hard. Butcher went into the Teenage kix base fully expecting to beat and drag a "Nearly Homelander" level character back to his van. They didn't know he had turned into Jabba x Korg.

Mind sharing a link to a scene or the exact quote? I think they wanted to knock him out first, but I could be wrong. Good catch if so.

In episode 3 Ryan isn't able to push him back, (Ryan already knows he is a supe) but more importantly he is written out of Stan's bunker area because he was there, he would have done in Noir, Cindy and Deep.

First one, he knows he is a supe, but not how strong. Second one is just speculation.

In epsiode 4 the only time Kimiko gets him is off guard. Plus he doesn't participate much in the fighting anyway to have anti feats.

I already argued this multiples times.

In episode 6, his only actual sell. Bombsight. But again this is PIS because they needed to write him out of the scene to give Jensen Ackles another ten hours of screen time and promote Vought rising.

You can have him lose the fight but putting up one. He got clapped.

 

[Redite250]

If by narrative you mean vought propaganda. There are only 3 statements I remember for him requiring a nuke to kill, Stillwell's which has been disproved and the Neutron bomb statement by Stan Edgar which was referring to SB's radiation powers. Only Butcher's statements of requiring a H-Bomb to kill Sb still stands uncontradicted. If by conventional you mean small arms and high calibre rounds and low yield explosives then yes.What I will say is that narrative wise, Homelander is supposed to be overhyped and less than he is sought after. At least that's what the show pivoted to when trying to parody Trump, all of a sudden characters who Homelander was so supposed to be able to no-diff and broke their hands from catching buses could given him a run for his money.

Well, I think it's interesting that Soldier Boy said "they used to throw supes in there to see if we'd survive an atom bomb", they were worried about the radiation which means that they probably thought they'd physically be able to handle the impact. SB probably went through a handful of these tests and they also probably included things like actually being the target of a powerful explosion (maybe not nukes), but maybe it's just the impression I got.

 

[ShionAH]

Ryan failed to defeat a holding back Homelander in EP3

No character would push Homelander to mid diff in an actual 1v1, so I don't think thats an antifeat. Soldier Boy lost in like a minute.

 

[Ethnikistis]

And she still more hits from Butcher than she did from Soldier Boy.

Not really,Soldier boy knocked her away once,and she came back and held him in place so they could subdue him.Butcher was even unphased by her hits(Except when she was trying to choke him).Idk how you can count this as an anti feat when that fight was completely one sided for Butcher.The only notable anti feat is Kimiko taking some of Butchers attacks,which isnt anything crazy of an anti feat since I said that Butcher has less AP than Homelander and SB(No special abilities just hands) anyways.

So... Doesn't change what I said.

Neither does it change what I said.Not killing or heavily injuring Kimiko is not a valid point since Butchers target wasnt her anyways.

I genuinely give up on this point. Agree to disagree and when the thread comes let others argue. Like, 100% just saying "PIS" goes both ways. But yeah, I do think it's more of a PIS instance that Butcher skyrockets in power to fight Homelander than it is for him to supposedly be nerfed into oblivion for SB.

Agreed.

 

[57Dev]

He got clapped by Bombsight because the budget and time went to Soldier boy.

Homelander most likely wasn't trying to kill Marie. Plus it doesn't even matter since Marie is a god tier.

Kimiko taking his hits isn't even all that much of a anti feat. She has taken worse hits and gotten up. She even got up from a Bombsight tackle. And took multiple hits from Homelander's beams in the final episode.

Honestly **** all this. Let's just downgrade post V1 Homelander and it will actually make sense.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Not really,Soldier boy knocked her away once,and she came back and held him in place so they could subdue him.Butcher was even unphased by her hits(Except when she was trying to choke him).Idk how you can count this as an anti feat when that fight was completely one sided for Butcher.

I'm just saying that, while stronger, he is not by a whole lot.

The only notable anti feat is Kimiko taking some of Butchers attacks,which isnt anything crazy of an anti feat since I said that Butcher has less AP than Homelander and SB(No special abilities just hands) anyways.

That's... A weird point. Because the gap between SB/Homelander and point is pretty big (at least on our system, tbh idk if the intention of the writers is that the gap is there, but not that huge)

 

[ShionAH]

I'm just saying that, while stronger, he is not by a whole lot.

That's... A weird point. Because the gap between SB/Homelander and point is pretty big (at least on our system, tbh idk if the intention of the writers is that the gap is there, but not that huge)

Can I ask something, doesn't the V1 scene imply Homelander can make his heat vision kilometers in diameter?

 

[Redite250]

He got clapped by Bombsight because the budget and time went to Soldier boy.

Okay, something to note about Bombsight, does he have greater durability than Homelander? Soldier Boy hurts his hand punching Bombsight and admits he can't punch him to death (but can break his neck), while a punch from SB makes Homelander bleed, so, if he is as durable as Homelander if not more it makes sense, at least to me, that Butcher can't really defeat him (though he kinda got ragdolled, he never really tried to physically subdue Bombsight, only using his tentacles which I genuinely believe are weaker than him physically from what we've been shown)

 

[Just_Butchering]

it makes sense, at least to me, that Butcher can't really defeat him

It doesn't matter how durable Bombsight is, but how strong, and that he easily took down butcher.

Can I ask something, doesn't the V1 scene imply Homelander can make his heat vision kilometers in diameter?

What was the evidence that his heat vision reached that high? Also it would be length, not diameter

 

[ShionAH]

What was the evidence that his heat vision reached that high? Also it would be length, not diameter

Twitter statement said it was seen everywhere on earth, that would be lenght and width especially if you look at the image posted

 

[Ethnikistis]

Twitter statement said it was seen everywhere on earth, that would be lenght and width especially if you look at the image posted

I think this is just from the adrenaline high that V1 gives supes similar to regular V.Otherwise the finale wouldn't make any sense at all.

 

[Ethnikistis]

I'm just saying that, while stronger, he is not by a whole lot.

Well that doesn't really qualify for an anti feat tbh.

That's... A weird point. Because the gap between SB/Homelander and point is pretty big (at least on our system, tbh idk if the intention of the writers is that the gap is there, but not that huge)

Well aren't they kinda close in physical strength?
I assumed that Homelanders superiority came from his hax and flight speed.

 

[Ethnikistis]

Okay, something to note about Bombsight, does he have greater durability than Homelander? Soldier Boy hurts his hand punching Bombsight and admits he can't punch him to death (but can break his neck), while a punch from SB makes Homelander bleed, so, if he is as durable as Homelander if not more it makes sense, at least to me, that Butcher can't really defeat him (though he kinda got ragdolled, he never really tried to physically subdue Bombsight, only using his tentacles which I genuinely believe are weaker than him physically from what we've been shown)

Bombsight is pretty cracked,he is pretty much soldier Boy but with flight instead of a nuke blast.Now that ive rewatched tbe fight I can tell that Bombsight is almost equal to SB in physiycal capabilities and from what I can tell his powers are mostly durability(He probably is as durable as SB and prob better).

He most probably is the undoubted top 3 of the verse.(**** Marie)

 

[Just_Butchering]

Well aren't they kinda close in physical strength?
I assumed that Homelanders superiority came from his hax and flight speed.

I meant between the god tier (ie. Homelander) and the other supes (ie. Kimiko)

Well that doesn't really qualify for an anti feat tbh.

It does when you are saying Butcher is on the same tier as a guy that can one shot her

 

[Ethnikistis]

It does when you are saying Butcher is on the same tier as a guy that can one shot her

I said that Butcher being able to sorta keep up with Homelander is fine.Both him and Ryan were pretty much about on the same level as homelander but would prob lose in an all out fight.Im saying that Butcher can keep up but will obv lose in the long run due to inferior AP and durability.

 

[Ethnikistis]

I meant between the god tier (ie. Homelander) and the other supes (ie. Kimiko)

I mean in general combat(No flight and other abilities) not that much.Bombsight Ryan and probably Butcher are on a somewhat similar tier,under them are characters like maeve ig and below that is Kimiko starlight etc.

 

[ShionAH]

I think this is just from the adrenaline high that V1 gives supes similar to regular V.Otherwise the finale wouldn't make any sense at all.

Finale already doesn’t make any sense, Kimiko somehow took more damage from bullets than HLs heat vision

 

[Ethnikistis]

Finale already doesn’t make any sense, Kimiko somehow took more damage from bullets than HLs heat vision

Yeah but there is enough evidence that supports V1 being an adrenaline rush similar to regular V for us to consider it that.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

A lot of dumb arguments and "justifications" for what's obviously the result of bad writing and dumb choices, why did they decided to exclude Marie from the battle? Her blood bending powers could've been the perfect explanation for Homelander's speed and strength nerfs

 

[Ethnikistis]

A lot of dumb arguments and "justifications" for what's obviously the result of bad writing and dumb choices, why did they decided to exclude Marie from the battle? Her blood bending powers could've been the perfect explanation for Homelander's speed and strength nerfs

They made gen V s2 and realised that it doesn't fit the main storyline at all.So they decided to give them the most lame ending oat in the Finale.

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Katipax]

Against Butcher I meant. He clearly was going serious against Homelander

Well Butcher admitted to Ryan that Ryan could kill him if he wanted to

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

They should add Billy Butcher to the next season of Tekken

 

[LIGHTYW]

JUST CAME HERE TO PAY MY RESPECTS AND SAY THAT IT WILL MAKE 1 WEEK SINCE HOMELANDER PASSED AWAY. RIP IN THE CHAT.

 

[Nierre]

It's been a long while since I've visited this thread, and finally binged Gen V S2 and The Boys S5.

Although I wasn't a fan of season 5, I really liked the last episode. RIP to my favorite character Frenchie

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah but there is enough evidence that supports V1 being an adrenaline rush similar to regular V for us to consider it that.

Whats the evidence? You cannot use the stuff V does to say V1 also does it without any implications, since they are two different things