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Dragon Ball Lifting Strength Revision

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Damage3245 said:
I see, though the rest of the series shouldn't be neglected either as that's where some of the most explicit anti-feats can be found.
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The big problem with the DBZ anti-feats progression is that it entirely hinges on reducing of everything in OG DB to strictly human level, which couldn’t be further from what the series consistently shows. You cut off its legs (All the weighted clothing and the initial gravity training) and the whole chain goes down.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
The big problem with the DBZ anti-feats progression is that it entirely hinges on on reducing of everything OG DB as strictly average human level, which couldn’t be further from what the series consistently shows. And if you cut off its legs (All the weighted clothing and the initial gravity training), the whole thing goes down.
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But the more recent anti-feats would take precedence over what was written earlier; Toriyama may have wrote a feat of Goku pushing a large boulder early on, but if years later he then writes a stronger version of Goku struggling with 10 ton weights on his arms during training, then the mostly written information would show what Toriyama considered Goku's strength to be at the time of writing it. Old information & stats being retconned by the more up-to-date displays of strength seems perfectly reasonable.
 
Damage3245 said:
Why are you listing it as 4 anti-feats when the OP has listed 19 anti-feats that contradict the current ratings ?
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Honest to God. It's OG DB.

A lot of these anti-feats are just "removes weighted clothings, power increases (part 4)", they're the same kind of anti-feat shown before. It works less as a anti-feat, more as an established mechanic. The implication that these characters can multiply their strength and still find 100kg difficult is just a massive contradiction to the very core of the series.

I know DBZ has far less feats, but we would be basically punishing a series for its lack of a specific type of feat. And the few feats it does have also contradict the established "limitations"

I talked about the Z-Sword weghing 2000 Tons. You said it was a fan-calc, but again, common sense. It definitively weighs more than 40 tons, because anyone knows that a 40 ton sword wouldn't sink into the ground like the Z-Sword did.

The gravity feats is consistently inconsistent with the other feats.

We have LS feats in DBZ just as well, like

It'd like to point out that OP was incorrect about the Android Saga "Weightless Piccolo" anti-feat. You can check Chapter 346, he never fights anyone with weighted clothing, and just removes them. There is no "growth in power" from removing the clothes in that particular instance.


So, basically, it's not like DBZ doesn't have feats that would obviously require more than Class 5-10 LS, thus, already proving the statements and limitations are absolutely contradictory even if we lowball the feats of the series.
 
Damage3245 said:
But the more recent anti-feats would take precedence over what was written earlier; Toriyama may have wrote a feat of Goku pushing a large boulder early on, but if years later he then writes a stronger version of Goku struggling with 10 ton weights on his arms during training, then the mostly written information would show what Toriyama considered Goku's strength to be at the time of writing it. Old information & stats being retconned by the more up-to-date displays of strength seems perfectly reasonable.
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The obvious solution is to put OG DB at Class M while DBZ goes down to Class 1 fr fr

Yeah, I get that retcons exist but like, imagine Daima suddenly said Vegito could never go Super Saiyan. Absurd example, sure, but would that suddenly invalidate him very explicitly going SSJ against Buuhan? Obviously not. This runs into a similar issue, where practically every DB character would be physically incapable of performing 99% of the things they consistently do throughout the series, like the iconic jump over the clouds after the Roshi training lands in Class K and this is the same for many other scenes.

And it’s not even like DBZ onward suddenly lacks LS feats anyway. The series keeps showing them. Even Daima, the most recent DB media, has Base Miniku pushing back the Megath’s Child arm, who is so huge in comparison to them, that Miniku and co are shorter than their dog's equivalent of a single poil and are around the size of ticks.
 
I'm kinda torn about this, as i do admit there its some consistency especially via the weight training, but at the same time there are many legit lifting/pushing/crushing feats beyond the standard that can't be just ignored or treated as outliers.

Maybe we could try a compromise, example for give Kid Goku (from Red Ribbon Arc and 22nd Budokai Arc) 'At least Peak Human/Superhuman' via weighted clothing and Giran throw and then a 'possibly/likely Class M/far higher' via Taopai's pillar throw and General Blue crushing a phone booth.
 
What's even the point of lifting strength anyway? lol. Does it even have any use in combat? What, are you going to lift a planet and throw it at Goku or something? lol. Goku can destroy it. Or are you going to lift a universe maybe? Well, even then Goku is still capable of destroying it. Or are you going to throw universes?? lol. Goku can still destroy them.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
What's even the point of lifting strength anyway? lol. Does it even have any use in combat? What, are you going to lift a planet and throw it at Goku or something? lol. Goku can destroy it. Or are you going to lift a universe maybe? Well, even then Goku is still capable of destroying it. Or are you going to throw universes?? lol. Goku can still destroy them.
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Large Planet Goku lost to Continental Deku due to lifting strength
 
Azertyhuuh said:
What's even the point of lifting strength anyway? lol.
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If two characters are in the same tier but one has notable higher lifting strength then it can either choke or physically restrain the other, giving an edge in close combat.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
What's even the point of lifting strength anyway? lol. Does it even have any use in combat? What, are you going to lift a planet and throw it at Goku or something? lol. Goku can destroy it. Or are you going to lift a universe maybe? Well, even then Goku is still capable of destroying it. Or are you going to throw universes?? lol. Goku can still destroy them.
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If this is the attitude people are gonna have in this thread it might as well be a staff one like the previous two ngl
 
StarShooter80 said:
If this is the attitude people are gonna have in this thread it might as well be a staff one like the previous two ngl
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This is one guy that nobody agrees with, stop trying to use this to limit supporters.

CastoriceTheFifth said:
They concluded the staff thread by saying you can choke out people with higher durability with LS you know that right
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Sure, we're pretending any ki attack wouldn't vaporize the binds. Oh that reminds me.

M3X_2.0 said:
3. Dragon Ball Chapter 39 - Giran throw:

  • Goku throws Giran, who weighs 211 kg.
  • Caveat: Goku initially struggles, then uses a running start.
  • Result: 211 kg dynamic throw with effort and momentum.
  • Rating: Athletic Human by raw mass, but the throw is much better than a static lift due to the launch/momentum involved. It shouldn't be treated as casual lifting, since Goku initially fails to move Giran efficiently, which aligns with the before-and-after here. For the record, the throw if calced normally is only low Class 5, which honestly is still consistent with this given the caveats involved and the fact without those caveats he struggles with the default value.
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Same chapter btw:
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Damage3245 said:
While the breakdown of feats is appreciated, I believe that the majority of these are derived from fanmade calculations; calculations that while useful in the absence of any alternative are still based upon assumptions and methods that the original creator might've never contemplated. For example Toriyama might've never considered that "crushing a phonebooth" would be 228797796 kg feat by our standards.

I think it is more important to consider the feats that are solidly based on statements of concrete figures, i.e. 10 tons for Goku's training weights, 1000 tons for the metal alien guy, etc which are directly given to us, as opposed to 2,657 tons for the Z-sword which isn't directly stated.

For example, if a character said "My special technique, Shadow Movement, allows me to move at an incredible 50 meters per second", but we had a fanmade calculation that said "Based on FTE visuals, and average human reaction time, the character has been calculated to move at Mach 12". Would we prefer to go with what the character said? Or what we calculated?
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I can understand this argument for something like a character stating "my punch is building level" vs a cloud calc saying it is city level. Most authors arent thinking clouds are heavy

But for something like this where the feats are pretty clear even without a calc, I dont see how that works

Like for flash, where he is stated at like, Mach 1-5 yet constantly has obviously MHS feats

I dont see why a character performing an obviously impressive feat is less "intentional" then giving a number, just because a calc is "needed" to get an exact number
 
Count me as Neutral. I agree with some parts of the OP (Toriyama does draw a pretty consistent ish progression for anything with numbers involved) but the on panel feats are so comically absurd I can't fully agree with it.

The most egregious is the OG DB giant Piccolo thing. Toriyama apparently thought it's a good idea to make Goku's weighted clothing (less than 200 kilos I think?) be a significant factor in his power/speed while at the same time making Goku fight a BUILDING SIZED GIANT PICCOLO. Even worse when you consider the fact that Piccolo's giant form is explicitly mentioned to not increase power (its just a bluff).

If less than 200 kilos is a significant weight in any way for OG DB Piccolo Jr (as it was for Goku, who he clearly scales to), then he shouldn't be able to move at all when he's the size of a building. The whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

This isn't even a deadlift vs body mass thing where you can differentiate the two types of liftings. (Though Goku did throw giant Piccolo). Weighted clothing and being a giant is practically the same thing in this context, it adds additional mass to your body. Toriyama made Goku's weighted clothing, less than 200 kilos, a big deal while at the same time making Piccolo casually fight Goku as a multi ton building sized giant WITH NO STRENGTH BOOST (???).

Also before anyone uses "fan made calc" argument you don't need it to know the extra mass Piccolo gained from turning into a giant is WAY more, orders of magnitude more, than Goku's less than 200 kilos of extra mass via weighted clothing.

The only way this makes sense is if Piccolo's giant form for some absurd reason doesn't increase his actual mass. The only conclusion I can make from this is that Dragon Ball LS is ridiculously incoherent and if it were up to me I'd just put it at Unknown.
 
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What's even the point of lifting strength anyway? lol. Does it even have any use in combat? What, are you going to lift a planet and throw it at Goku or something? lol. Goku can destroy it. Or are you going to lift a universe maybe? Well, even then Goku is still capable of destroying it. Or are you going to throw universes?? lol. Goku can still destroy them.
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Goku didn't destroy Cooler while he was getting his lungs crushed, did he?
 
Okay, what about the pressure that Goku withstood in the Tournament of Universes?

First, the compressive force he was subjected to inside the heart was enough to crush the arena and make it sink into it until it passed through and exited from below. The pressure here exceeds that of entire universes, meaning 2-C level, involving 6 universes on that scale or more.

Keep in mind that the arena itself has durability that surpasses 3 large universes. A clash of God of Destruction-level attacks is enough to destroy two large universes and distort the Earth between them, whereas this arena, as stated by the Grand Priest, is made of the strongest stones in all of Dragon Ball, and its durability is sufficient to withstand the collisions of all fighters as well as clashes of 3 Gods of Destruction. This means the durability of the stone it is made from is at a 2-C level involving 6 universes or more.

The heart in which Goku was trapped had pressure strong enough to sink through the arena and exit completely from the underside.

This requires compressive force far beyond 6 multiple universes at 2-C, because the arena itself already has durability and hardness exceeding 6 universes at 2-C level. Therefore, crushing the arena in this way under pressure exceeding 6 universes at 2-C is an achievement corresponding to lifting strength at the 2-C level.

The pressure released by that heart was enough to compress 6 full universes worth of durability into a single arena, and it was sufficient to completely crush it and break through the other side. Goku was able to resist this pressure, and even his Kamehameha, which he fired inside the void, was shaking due to the pressure.

Imagine an energy attack launched upward at a speed of 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the pressure and gravity generated by the heart affected the energy and began pulling it downward as well, even though the attack’s speed was approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion according to calculations.

According to theory, for example, Earth’s gravity is 9.81. If a rocket is launched from Earth’s surface, the speed required to overcome a gravitational pull of 9.81 is approximately 11 kilometers per second (this is only an approximation). In this case, the rocket becomes capable of escaping Earth’s gravitational pull.

The same applies here: Goku launched a Kamehameha upward at an attack speed currently estimated on VSBW at approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the gravitational pull was still dragging even the energy downward into the heart. It was only an energy beam moving upward, yet it was being pulled downward to the extent that Goku used Kaio-ken x20 to increase the speed and power of the energy in order to survive and destroy the heart.

In summary, this gives Goku a lifting strength of 2-C and more than 6 universes within it.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Okay, what about the pressure that Goku withstood in the Tournament of Universes?

First, the compressive force he was subjected to inside the heart was enough to crush the arena and make it sink into it until it passed through and exited from below. The pressure here exceeds that of entire universes, meaning 2-C level, involving 6 universes on that scale or more.

Keep in mind that the arena itself has durability that surpasses 3 large universes. A clash of God of Destruction-level attacks is enough to destroy two large universes and distort the Earth between them, whereas this arena, as stated by the Grand Priest, is made of the strongest stones in all of Dragon Ball, and its durability is sufficient to withstand the collisions of all fighters as well as clashes of 3 Gods of Destruction. This means the durability of the stone it is made from is at a 2-C level involving 6 universes or more.

The heart in which Goku was trapped had pressure strong enough to sink through the arena and exit completely from the underside.

This requires compressive force far beyond 6 multiple universes at 2-C, because the arena itself already has durability and hardness exceeding 6 universes at 2-C level. Therefore, crushing the arena in this way under pressure exceeding 6 universes at 2-C is an achievement corresponding to lifting strength at the 2-C level.

The pressure released by that heart was enough to compress 6 full universes worth of durability into a single arena, and it was sufficient to completely crush it and break through the other side. Goku was able to resist this pressure, and even his Kamehameha, which he fired inside the void, was shaking due to the pressure.

Imagine an energy attack launched upward at a speed of 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the pressure and gravity generated by the heart affected the energy and began pulling it downward as well, even though the attack’s speed was approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion according to calculations.

According to theory, for example, Earth’s gravity is 9.81. If a rocket is launched from Earth’s surface, the speed required to overcome a gravitational pull of 9.81 is approximately 11 kilometers per second (this is only an approximation). In this case, the rocket becomes capable of escaping Earth’s gravitational pull.

The same applies here: Goku launched a Kamehameha upward at an attack speed currently estimated on VSBW at approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the gravitational pull was still dragging even the energy downward into the heart. It was only an energy beam moving upward, yet it was being pulled downward to the extent that Goku used Kaio-ken x20 to increase the speed and power of the energy in order to survive and destroy the heart.

In summary, this gives Goku a lifting strength of 2-C and more than 6 universes within it.
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Literally none of what you said is relevant to anything in the CRT for the manga versions of the characters
 
This is the required gravitational force needed to attract something moving in the opposite direction to you at the speed of light: 4.5 × 10¹⁶ × d (m/s²).

This applies only at the speed of light. Goku’s Kamehameha, of course, exceeds the speed of light by multiples that cannot even be calculated, since Goku’s attack power naturally surpasses the speed of light.

The heart’s gravitational force was also enough to pull Goku’s Kamehameha downward as well, even while he was in Super Saiyan Blue form.

If we calculate the gravitational force required to attract an object moving at light speed in the opposite direction to you, the result would be unimaginably huge. In this case, Goku’s attack (the Kamehameha) is many times faster than light.

Taking all of this into account, the compressive force Goku endured would undoubtedly exceed the pressure of multiple universes.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
What
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How, what do you mean “what”? This is a compressive force. Don’t you know the gravitational force required to attract something moving in the opposite direction to you at the speed of light? How are you saying “what”? Everything is clear.

Goku’s Kamehameha attack exceeds the speed of light by multiple orders of magnitude, and he fired it in the opposite direction of the heart, upward. Yet the heart was able to pull it downward using its own gravitational force. Logically, attracting something moving at light speed requires extremely high compressive and gravitational force.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
How, what do you mean “what”? This is a compressive force. Don’t you know the gravitational force required to attract something moving in the opposite direction to you at the speed of light? How are you saying “what”? Everything is clear.

Goku’s Kamehameha attack exceeds the speed of light by multiple orders of magnitude, and he fired it in the opposite direction of the heart, upward. Yet the heart was able to pull it downward using its own gravitational force. Logically, attracting something moving at light speed requires extremely high compressive and gravitational force.
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Please post your responses in the general discussion thread first, you're going to get this thread moved to staff only and ruin it for the rest of the members.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Okay, what about the pressure that Goku withstood in the Tournament of Universes?

First, the compressive force he was subjected to inside the heart was enough to crush the arena and make it sink into it until it passed through and exited from below. The pressure here exceeds that of entire universes, meaning 2-C level, involving 6 universes on that scale or more.

Keep in mind that the arena itself has durability that surpasses 3 large universes. A clash of God of Destruction-level attacks is enough to destroy two large universes and distort the Earth between them, whereas this arena, as stated by the Grand Priest, is made of the strongest stones in all of Dragon Ball, and its durability is sufficient to withstand the collisions of all fighters as well as clashes of 3 Gods of Destruction. This means the durability of the stone it is made from is at a 2-C level involving 6 universes or more.

The heart in which Goku was trapped had pressure strong enough to sink through the arena and exit completely from the underside.

This requires compressive force far beyond 6 multiple universes at 2-C, because the arena itself already has durability and hardness exceeding 6 universes at 2-C level. Therefore, crushing the arena in this way under pressure exceeding 6 universes at 2-C is an achievement corresponding to lifting strength at the 2-C level.

The pressure released by that heart was enough to compress 6 full universes worth of durability into a single arena, and it was sufficient to completely crush it and break through the other side. Goku was able to resist this pressure, and even his Kamehameha, which he fired inside the void, was shaking due to the pressure.

Imagine an energy attack launched upward at a speed of 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the pressure and gravity generated by the heart affected the energy and began pulling it downward as well, even though the attack’s speed was approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion according to calculations.

According to theory, for example, Earth’s gravity is 9.81. If a rocket is launched from Earth’s surface, the speed required to overcome a gravitational pull of 9.81 is approximately 11 kilometers per second (this is only an approximation). In this case, the rocket becomes capable of escaping Earth’s gravitational pull.

The same applies here: Goku launched a Kamehameha upward at an attack speed currently estimated on VSBW at approximately 96.8 quadrillion-decillion, yet the gravitational pull was still dragging even the energy downward into the heart. It was only an energy beam moving upward, yet it was being pulled downward to the extent that Goku used Kaio-ken x20 to increase the speed and power of the energy in order to survive and destroy the heart.

In summary, this gives Goku a lifting strength of 2-C and more than 6 universes within it.
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Like what Dale said, this is irrelevant to the manga side of things, which this CRT is covering

Additionally, I'm really questioning where a lot of your math here is coming from. Not to mention, idk why materials that supposedly have universal+ whatever durability is relevant to a discussion about lifting strength... (I know what Kachi Katchin is for the record, but the durability of it is irrelevant)
 
Finally, the lifting force in DB is going to be fixed. I completely agree that DB handles the lifting of a very strange signature that does not match at all with its normal chain scaling progression.

I agree with almost everything, except for the part about Magetta and the 1000 tons; I think this simply doesn't make sense, but I won't complain if it's included as well. Btw, although they aren't explicitly mentioned, Frieza and Cell are consistently portrayed lifting large amounts of mass, so I think most of their LS calculations should remain the same (maybe they could be indexed as “Normally | With telekinesis”).
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Before there is an overboard, I think it's important to note that it's extremely consistent for giant characters to exist and part of scaling chains; and that it be far outrageous to rate their LS ratings any lower than their own weight classes, let alone everyone stronger than them. More over, Ki is used to both telekinesis stuff and muscular lifting enhancements; so many TK feats are still treated as LS strengths in general; at least for lifting the giant chunks, the launching parts are technically striking strength if it's hurting high tiered characters.

Also, Gravity formula isn't really the best example of an antifeat against lifting strength. There are far too many across the block scientific facts about what happens when you multiply gravity. When you multiply gravity, it's not just you that gets X times heavier, but literally the air you breath also gets X times heavier. Which in turn causes a lot of other details; atmospheric pressure also gets much more intense as a result. And it reaches a point where even if the atmospheric Nitrogen/Oxygen gas will feel like it becomes liquid or even solid once the gravity makes it heavier. At bare minimum, simply being able to withstand let alone stand or walk in a high gravity environment actually requires being exponentially stronger/tougher per unit. One would at least neat to be able to lift the equivalent 100x their body weight; and not just lift that much, but actually carry it as if it's light as a feather in order to regularly move or jump at decently superhuman velocities on an environment that is 10 G's. Likewise, the very bottom of the Ocean's bed roughly translates to the type of pressure one would at roughly between 19 and 20 G's. And it's not just a lifting strength feat or durability/AP feat to survive in high gravity environments, but the air would be too condensed to properly breath in. And even the density of blood surpasses the density of lead in a 10 G setting let alone the 450 G levels that Vegeta later considers "Light as a feather." And long story short, it's mostly the lack of adaptation rather than a valid antifeat against LS.

And FYI, in order for a planet as tiny as King Kai's planet to be 10 G's despite its small diameter/volume, the density would be literally billions of times greater than Earth's; not to mention the actual weight of the atmosphere would be 10x greater effectively making the overall pressure 10's of billions of times greater.
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This is true, yes, but I honestly doubt that Akira Toriyama thought about all of this when he introduced increased gravity into his story.
 
R81handman said:
DBS in the Hero Arc explained it that it a bluff. so there isn't that much of an increase in LS from scaling Goku resisting Piccolo trying to crush him.

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There he's talking about his overall power/ki (AP) not his LS (and as we see in the thread, the progression between these two things is very different in the manga)
 
Honestly, I've never seen gravity hazing be realistically portrayed in the Lifting Strength.

Like, it always seems like the authors think increasing gravity is harder than lifting something heavy; I've never seen it consistently.

You all know God of High School, right? The verse that's ultra-exaggerated in its feats (in a good way). There's Han Daewi, who I think is one of the trio of protagonists, and I think he's a top-tier character in that verse. He has the power to increase gravity, and his maximum is 10,000x. The weakest characters in that verse are Class M, and the top level is Class T/Z, but 10,000x gravity is still seen as a super strong power, even though it only makes a guy who weighs 70kg weigh 700 tons, which is Class K if I'm not mistaken. In other words, it wouldn't even affect the lower level of the verse following that logic.

Has anyone ever seen gravity hax treated this way? Like, it's a genuine question because whenever I remember gravity powers being used, it's to stop guys who have Class M or higher feats, increasing gravity by 10x and things like that.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Well, wearing Weighted Gear suppresses your Ki itself, and Gas's gravity abilities inhibited Goku's motor functions.
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This isn't really a ki specific thing at all though. Goku proved this himself when increased training weights were too much for his base, but could start moving with them once transforming into a Super Saiyan during the Buu Saga. If weighted gear and training weights were truly this Ki-nerfing device, then by all accounts, Goku wouldn't be able to just power through it like in that scene. Are we gonna assume the weights Goku wore in Chapter 177 were just nerfing Krillin when he tried and failed to comfortably lift them up? If anything, their Ki being lower while wearing the clothing is another anti-feat because it means that something like Goku wearing 200 pound weights is enough to where is weakens him. That isn't a verse-specific concept, tell an IRL boxer to wear 200 pound weights around their wrists and legs and see how well they fight compared to how they would normally

It's just a case of weighted clothing being...weighted clothing. There's no special effects or anything

As for the Gas thing, yeah, if someone's personal gravity was being amplified enough to where they could be crushed (going by Vegeta's own words), that would **** with ANYONE'S motor functions. Again, not a verse-specific concept

TL;DR: Weighted clothing doesn't suppress Ki. Lower Ki levels while wearing the weights is just a sign of how there's clearly a physical effort on the fighters' parts to walk around and fight with those on. This should be obvious given it is clearly conveyed that Goku and other weighted clothing wearers are portrayed as much more comfortable when fighting weightless
 
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