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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

I didn't put neither at Shade lvl but ok
Yes you are. You intend to scale Datattore above/stronger than Moonttore, which would mean Datattore would also have a 5-A rating. Then in the Archon Quest, we see Wanderer, Base Traveler, and Nahida fighting Datattore, which should have a 5-A rating.

All of them were onpar with him and not getting one-shotted. Therefore, logically, those 3 would also get 5-A rating via downscale, making them having the same rating as the Shades who's also 5-A in rating.

Do you see the problem? These 3 are canonically fodders in-universe compared to the Shades. And, if someone in the future, managed to kept up with Base Traveler, maybe just a random dude who can fight, they would also get the 5-A rating because of the base traveler having that rating. So imagine if a random mortal having the same rating as the Shades? That's just stupid.

Unconfirmed interpretation but whole cast and devs saying the same thing
They never did, in fact. You're the one who over stretched the statements while they were never say anything like you said.

Remind u all of this was cause of a variable?
Okay? So he didn't transcend fate like you said then, just because he isn't affected by Irminsul after gaining its power?

So you telling me if Traveler trascendent fate they wouldnt get separated?
Whats the correlation between the 2 points?
First of all, Traveler did transcend fate, but in general. But, the ones that Traveler facing is the Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles, they're all the Master of Fortuna. In another words, Master of Fate, who's control even bypassing those who have Acausality 4.

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Yes you are. You intend to scale Datattore above/stronger than Moonttore, which would mean Datattore would also have a 5-A rating. Then in the Archon Quest, we see Wanderer, Base Traveler, and Nahida fighting Datattore, which should have a 5-A rating.
Why would Nahida have 5A rating if all she did was blocking an attack of a Dottore so weak even Scara could kick him?
Like did you read all phase 2 was him getting weakend by the second
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Wanderer was just alive by his speed (and most likely some plot armor) like Dr Data at his FP barely flinch with an Anemo imbuded kick (Yes, im arguing Traveler did all the job)

making them having the same rating as the Shades who's also 5-A in rating.
U know we have a High 5A calculation right? its kinda your mistake if u put them lower than they should
They never did, in fact.
"They never did" but somewho i have the in game statments
Were you playing Impact Genshin by any chance?
But, the ones that Traveler facing is the Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles, they're all the Master of Fortuna. In another words, Master of Fate, who's control even bypassing those who have Acausality 4.
First of all, we already been trought Fortuna thingy back in december
Thats was just some shit stated by Remurians
and second of all, hasnt Tetri just told u 5 min ago that 6.6 debunked Phanes able to control fate of all universe
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Illiteracy Impact
You all as in the god damn team 😭, tell my why the traveler would say "which now test the entire of Nod Krai, with the sole exception of myself ofc, im the goated king that cant be affected"
 
Why would Nahida have 5A rating if all she did was blocking an attack of a Dottore so weak even Scara could kick him?
Like did you read all phase 2 was him getting weakend by the second
Not only did Nahida blocked his attacks but also erased it, that means she can destroy 5-A attacks. He's weakened? But didn't that only after Nahida arrived? which is the phase 2? Before that he wasn't that weakened.

Wanderer was just alive by his speed (and most likely some plot armor) like Dr Data at his FP barely flinch with an Anemo imbuded kick (Yes, im arguing Traveler did all the job)
What is this reasoning.. I actually don't know how's your thinking rn.

If the gap were truly as overwhelming as your claim, Dottore would have instantly incapacitated him regardless of movement speed. "Keeping up" in combat inherently requires the durability, reactions, and AP interaction necessary to survive exchanges. That's just the basic of Powerscaling.

“Traveler did all the job” while both actively contributing against a Dottore himself, lmao. The narrative never frames Wanderer as dead weight. In fact, Wanderer’s combat experience, aerial mobility, and ability to synchronize in battle are repeatedly emphasized as you can see in the cutscene. Don't be lying to me.

And finally, saying he's just have a plot-armor isn't an argument whatsoever. If Wanderer repeatedly reacts to, survives against, and participates in exchanges involving Dottore-level threats, then that is part of his demonstrated capability unless contradicted directly. Ironically, you're also unintentionally admits Wanderer could still perceive and evade Dottore despite Dottore allegedly being overwhelmingly above him, which is funny.

U know we have a High 5A calculation right? its kinda your mistake if u put them lower than they should
The one who performed that feat is Nicole. Obviously, the Shades are above Nicole. But, what about Columbina? Regarding that, I would like to ask you if you think Columbina is scale to Nicole or not. If not then you'll have to admit that Nicole > Trilune Goddess. But if it's you, I'm confident that you would say otherwise. Am I wrong?

"They never did" but somewho i have the in game statments
Were you playing Impact Genshin by any chance?
Like I said, none of those statements proves you. And I do, in fact, read this game's lore more than you ever did.

First of all, we already been trought Fortuna thingy back in december
Thats was just some shit stated by Remurians
and second of all, hasnt Tetri just told u 5 min ago that 6.6 debunked Phanes able to control fate of all universe
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Illiteracy Impact
1. The literal meaning of “Fortuna” in Genshin Impact is “Fate". So, Fortuna = Fate itself. Have you ever wonder why the stars in the constellations are called “Stella Fortuna”?
Saying it's a bullshit from Remurians is also lack of literacy, while even Rene de Petrichor acknowledge that term. The term Fortuna isn't only being used by the Remurians, but ALL people.

2. What Tetri said is that Phanes didn't create the fate of the universe. I myself never claimed Phanes created the Fate of the Universe, but they did have control over it. You see, in some texts, the laws of the world were derived from the laws of the Universe. So, Teyvat's laws are not that differ from the universe's laws. They're not fully independent from the rest of the universe, and they're still within the universe's timeline.

Do you get what that means? That means, Phanes and his Four Shades have control over the laws of the universe. Of course including fate, which even Barbeloth said that it is a reflection of the true stars beyond the false firmament. And, the funny thing is that, the Four Shades transcends all of those laws. Then there you have it, the Shades existing beyond the laws of the Universe. Isn't that crazy?

You all as in the god damn team 😭, tell my why the traveler would say "which now test the entire of Nod Krai, with the sole exception of myself ofc, im the goated king that cant be affected"
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【 Genshin Impact - 7.0 Crumbs 】

• Traveler and Paimon travel by train across the frozen wastes of Snezhnaya accompanied by a sentient consciousness residing in a pair of goggles known as "Grey-Eye"

• They are traveling to the Palace of the White Crown, which serves as the tomb for the previous Cryo Archon, known as the White Tsar.

• Through visions of the past within a Shadow Realm, the Traveler learns that 500 years ago, a group of researchers (including Aksinya, Alvis, and Kaschey) at the Hvergelmir Institute were performing forbidden bio-alchemy.

• They were attempting to create a "Proto-Human" (雏原人) to serve as a new ruler for the planet
• The White Tsar himself was an artificial being created by the ancient people of Hyperborea using the flesh of the Primordial Cryo Dragon in an attempt to reach the status of "Nibelung," the King of Dragons
• However, the experiment went out of control, releasing power that transformed all of Snezhnaya into a "holy land of primordial ice".
• The catastrophe only ended when a Heavenly Nail descended from Celestia to pin the region.

• Upon reaching the palace, the group is confronted by "The Beast," a two-headed synthesis monster that has guarded the Tsar’s remains for centuries
• The Beast reveals that "Grey-Eye" is actually the consciousness of the Proto-Human, whose body was split into three parts and scattered

• Finally, Aksinya appears and reveals her ultimate goal: she intends to use "Grey-Eye" as a "Key" to merge with the still-active nerves of the White Tsar (the Tsar's Birch)
• This would trigger the creation of the "Garden of Carefreeness," a world where time and change are abolished so that "love" can be frozen in an eternal, stagnant state
• The Traveler and Paimon reject this world because a life without change or different experiences is meaningless
• Aksinya departs, leaving the goggles behind as an empty, cold tool, the personality of their friend "Grey-Eye" seemingly lost or merged into the new "Primordial" core.
stc.

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• The White Tsar himself was an artificial being created by the ancient people of Hyperborea using the flesh of the Primordial Cryo Dragon in an attempt to reach the status of "Nibelung," the King of Dragons
• However, the experiment went out of control, releasing power that transformed all of Snezhnaya into a "holy land of primordial ice".
• The catastrophe only ended when a Heavenly Nail descended from Celestia to pin the region.
What on earth did Seutervoinen teach the Hyperboreans?
 
But didn't that only after Nahida arrived?
Nope, it was since we started deleating info of Irminsul (When traveler put that flower thing in a wall)
There a 90 seconds gap between said action and Nahida arriving, so yeah it wasnt like Dottore was just starting to get weakend
"Keeping up" in combat inherently requires the durability, reactions, and AP interaction necessary to survive exchanges.
Not necessarily, u can be fast enough to evade all attacks that otherwise could kill u (this is a common trope between speedesters)
Think for example a Cheetah, is fast as heck even faster than a lion, could still keep up with it in a fight (Strength, Dura, Ap)? No
“Traveler did all the job” while both actively contributing against a Dottore himself, lmao. The narrative never frames Wanderer as dead weight. In fact, Wanderer’s combat experience, aerial mobility, and ability to synchronize in battle are repeatedly emphasized as you can see in the cutscene. Don't be lying to me.

And finally, saying he's just have a plot-armor isn't an argument whatsoever. If Wanderer repeatedly reacts to, survives against, and participates in exchanges involving Dottore-level threats, then that is part of his demonstrated capability unless contradicted directly. Ironically, you're also unintentionally admits Wanderer could still perceive and evade Dottore despite Dottore allegedly being overwhelmingly above him, which is funny.
Yeah i give up
(Do Dottore should still be faster than Wanderer just by scaling to Post Nod Krai Veler)
The one who performed that feat is Nicole.
That feat is 5B, i was talking about Phanes nuking a moon cassually :P
But if it's you, I'm confident that you would say otherwise. Am I wrong?
I mean the new patch just told us Ursa was a FP Angel, and bro was low diffed by BASE DOTTORE 😭,u want me to believe Dottore Base > Dottore Trilune?
Do you get what that means? That means, Phanes and his Four Shades have control over the laws of the universe
Full control over the laws of the universe but cant stop Abyss, damn
Imagine having law manipulation and some non sentiant shi just doesnt care
 
Nope, it was since we started deleating info of Irminsul (When traveler put that flower thing in a wall)
There a 90 seconds gap between said action and Nahida arriving, so yeah it wasnt like Dottore was just starting to get weakend
Before entering the first fighting cutscene, Dottore wasn't said “Weakened” at all. He's just fine until Nahida and others starts to extract the informations from Irminsul.

Not necessarily, u can be fast enough to evade all attacks that otherwise could kill u (this is a common trope between speedesters)
Think for example a Cheetah, is fast as heck even faster than a lion, could still keep up with it in a fight (Strength, Dura, Ap)? No
Not a really good Analogy, Puppet. I'm sorry. Because a cheetah and a lion are still within the same general biological tier, while your claim being made about Dottore implies an overwhelmingly massive gap. If the gap were truly that enormous, then mere movement speed would not be enough for Wanderer to consistently participate in combat WHAT-SO-EVER.

(Do Dottore should still be faster than Wanderer just by scaling to Post Nod Krai Veler)
Just like what Heryshaf said.. Naturally

That feat is 5B, i was talking about Phanes nuking a moon cassually :P
I see it still High 5-A.

Full control over the laws of the universe but cant stop Abyss, damn
Imagine having law manipulation and some non sentiant shi just doesnt care
First off, there are two things that the Celestia cannot control; that is the Abyss and Ambitions. They're not fully powerless againts the latter, but for the former it is the NATURAL enemy of the universe itself.

Just like what Alice said, the Abyss is something that is not destined to be chosen, which means there must be many choices that are not chosen or many destinies that are not destined to be chosen. Hence the Abyss is there.

So, if you're asking what is the natural enemy of Celestia, it is the Abyss itself. Hence why they created a pre-determined fate to protect people.
 
Clearly Heryshaf should be with Alhaitham. I mean just look at their personality and attitude.
 
Furina was trying to say Phanes was Primordial Human, who was created by another entity called "Lord of Light"

Although I don't quite agree
I thought the primordial human bit was a misstranslation? Saw awhile back on x/reddit that the cn translate to primordial being (if im not wrong)
 
“you will find that creating a physical body is far simpler than creating a puppet.”
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More Ei's glazing, we love those.
 
I thought the primordial human bit was a misstranslation? Saw awhile back on x/reddit that the cn translate to primordial being (if im not wrong)
是啊,她與我一樣,本質都是原初之人所造的天使,生來就有引導眾生的本能。

“Yes, she is the same as me. In essence, we are both angels created by the Primordial Human, born with an innate instinct to guide all living beings.”

原初之人
yuánchū zhī rén

原初 = primordial / the very first
之 = possessive particle (“of”)
人 = human / person / man
Primordial humanity is not only discussed here, there are many texts that explain primordial humanity.
 
Actually, there is a lot that supports that theory.

First, Nicole stated that Nabu Malikata was an angel like herself, created by the Primordial Human.
Nicole: Yes. Just like me, she was an angel created by the primordial humans, born with the instinct to guide living beings.
Nicole: Though her body and soul have perished, her essence retains its natural instincts. Even her smallest remaining fragments would do their utmost to send you that warning.
The creator of angels is Phanes, and Nicole also acknowledges this in the text about Visions in her profile. This suggests that Phanes is very likely the Primordial Human.

With her Vision pinched between her thumb and index finger, Nicole held it up to the sky until it eclipsed the outline of Celestia.

O, my Creator...

"...Finally, you see me as human. You must forgive me and protect me. From this day on, I shall live a little more freely and boldly."
The “Primordial Human” was also mentioned in Rene’s research texts, where this Primordial Human is associated with Descenders.
Lies beneath the great sea" is, itself, an interesting phrase. It comes from ancient Sumeru texts, and should be read as "Narayana," which also means "primordial human."
This, too, is my goal, for not all that comes from beyond may be as one that "descends." That title belongs only to wills that can rival an entire world.
That is what I seek, the way to become just such a will, one that can protect the world, sustain the world, destroy the world, and create the world.
Then it is explained further by Melanta that the Primordial Human is a fusion of light and darkness.


Humans created by Phanes are called the “Children of Humanity.”


Istoria explains this again, stating that the Primordial Human was created by the Lord of Light, but was taken by the Lord of Darkness, which is why the Primordial Human possesses both the powers of darkness and light within a single body.
I don’t know why, but to me, this fits perfectly if the Primordial Human is connected to the Descenders.



We can see how the Traveler’s body is capable of accepting primordial energy from both the Light Realm and the Void Realm.
Even the description of the Lunar Arcanum seems to reinforce this theory.
"I am the void at the moment of creation, I am the newborn spark when all things end."
"My traveling pack is empty, I have only this pure-white companion by my side."
"I will mock all desire, glory, and reason, I will tread the seven-fold steps."
"One star rises in the heavens, one star falls in the valley, the two have always been the same."
Albedo in another possibility is also a primordial human who replaces the role of traveler, which means that Albedo in another possibility is descenders
In another converged possibility, Albedo was the "Primordial Human" who traveled through worlds, recording and creating all. However, once that journey reached its end, no one would have been able to guarantee whether he would choose destruction or salvation. Luckily, you're the one who embarked on the journey this time. Hm? How did the alternate Albedo fare? I can no longer observe that possibility. Besides, copying someone else's answer is of little use. This journey is your own.
 
He's just fine until Nahida and others starts to extract the informations from Irminsul.
And the information extraction happens when Traveler puts the flower on the wall
I'm sorry. Because a cheetah and a lion are still within the same general biological tier
"Biological Tier"
One can take down a buffalo and the other gets mauled by them, the weight difference between the 2 animals is big enough for a prey animal in the same ecosystem to oneshot one but at best badly hurt the other
If the gap were truly that enormous, then mere movement speed would not be enough for Wanderer to consistently participate in combat WHAT-SO-EVER.
Remind u we are the one giving speed values to them, in hoyo mind its most likely
Wanderer = Faster than any Archon lvl
Dottore = Stronger but slower
First off, there are two things that the Celestia cannot control; that is the Abyss and Ambitions. They're not fully powerless againts the latter, but for the former it is the NATURAL enemy of the universe itself.
And god damn Celestia has law manipulation
what stop them from manipulating laws of the universe to stop abyss
 
And the information extraction happens when Traveler puts the flower on the wall
Yet before he's putting that thing on the wall, they can onpar with him and not getting one shotted.

Regardless of all that, Datattore being above Moonttore will never be happening.

Remind u we are the one giving speed values to them, in hoyo mind its most likely
Wanderer = Faster than any Archon lvl
Dottore = Stronger but slower
Again, don't use scaling values logic to this matter.

And god damn Celestia has law manipulation
what stop them from manipulating laws of the universe to stop abyss
The fact that Celestia governs the laws of the universe doesn’t automatically mean they can just erase the Abyss, because being able to regulate a system doesn’t mean you can delete something fundamental to that system’s existence.
So your question is basically like "If gravity controls falling objects, why doesn’t gravity stop entropy?"

Alice explains that the Abyss emerges from unchosen fate or unrealized possibilities, meaning it’s tied to the structure of possibility itself. And so, if the Abyss is born from discarded branches of fate, then as long as fate produces branching outcomes, the Abyss will continue to manifest.

So, again, their governing or control over the laws of the universe are not absolute or omnipotence like you think. The only way they can stop the Abyss to exist is that erasing these branches of possibilities itself. Meaning they have to erase the very thing of Fate.
 
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Where? because Nahida called Nicole transcendent in comparison with them.
Nahida is a fodder compared to Archons
Meanwhile Nicole says Ursa (The Dragon from the webtoon) was an angel that got corrupted by power, said dragon was mauled by Venessa amped by Venti and Dottore, 2 Archon lvl brosky
What LS does she have from that feat
We assuming Frost Moon = Irl Moon (7.3477×10²² kilograms)
 
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