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DBS Anime Goku vs DBGT Anime Goku REDUX • (0-4-0)

Mickey1940 said:
what

huh

dude I'm so confused now

so it's Pre-ToP SSJ1 Superku vs Shadow Dragon Saga SSJ4 GTku?
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Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) Goku • Shadow Dragon Saga Goku • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible Tournament of Power Arena
 
Nonynho said:
scaling chain calcs can be quite confusing sometimes, yeah
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Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) Goku • Shadow Dragon Saga Goku • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible Tournament of Power Arena
 
Mickey1940 said:
ok so now I'm confused

@Nonynho said Superku is in SSJ1
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I never changed the settings on my thread, don't know why that dude to jumping the gun here.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
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can you just

say which transformations are allowed

instead of posting this

again, from what other people are saying it looks like Superku is restricted somehow but that doesn't seem to be the case
 
Mickey1940 said:
can you just

say which transformations are allowed

instead of posting this

again, from what other people are saying it looks like Superku is restricted somehow but that doesn't seem to be the case
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Assumptions​

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) Goku • Shadow Dragon Saga Goku

SSBKKX20 Goku vs SFPSJ4 Goku

Simple!
 
Mickey1940 said:
ok so now I'm confused

@Nonynho said Superku is in SSJ1
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MichaelCalistro said:
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I never changed the settings on my thread, don't know why that dude to jumping the gun here.
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I said it because it is the transformation that works
Nonynho said:
Yeah but we're using SFP, not just FP





Meaning we should have no troubles if using SSJ P-UI Sign vs SFPSSJ4 (25.6 quintillion vs 10,187 quintillion) and i'd still be on GT's side
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Pre UI Sign in that transformation will be 20x weaker than GTku (512quadrillion vs 10 quintillion)
 
Nonynho said:
I said it because it is the transformation that works
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok my b

sorry I can't read today apparently

so now Superku is 2.5 times stronger and neither have stamina issues cuz SSJ1 costs no stamina at this point and SSJ4 is self explanatory

how does GTku get past the AP advantage? they're both similarly skilled
 
THAT IT! I AM OFFICIAL DONE BEING NICE NOW! I AM GOING TO START REPORTING PEOPLE FOR MISLEADING PEOPLE USING THE WRONG CALCULATION WITH THE WRONG INFORMATION ON MY THREAD!!!
 
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MichaelCalistro said:
THAT IT! I AM OFFICIAL DONE BEING NICE NOW! I AM GOING TO START REPORTING PEOPLE FOR MISLEADING PEOPLE USING THE WRONG CALCULATING WITH THE WRONG INFORMATION ON MY THREAD!!!
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You say that like anything is on purpose
we're all making efforts for this to become fair, why in the name of hell are you going to bring this up to take mods' time?
 
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GT Scaling Chain and SSJ4 Multiplier

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Episode 29 DBGT Base Goku = 625,000,000 (625 Million)
SFPS4 Goku (Baby Saga) 204.8 Million × Episode 29 Goku = 128,000,000,000,000,000 (128 Quadrillion)
SFPS4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) 1.6384 Billion × Episode 29 Goku = 1,024,000,000,000,000,000 (1.024 Quintillion)
SFPS4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Saga) 16.3 Billion x Episode 29 Goku = 10,187,500,000,000,000,000 (10.1875 Quintillion)
SFPS4 Goku (Post-Negative Karma Ball) 20 x 10.1875 Quintillion = 203,750,000,000,000,000,000 (203.75 Quintillion)

Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) SSBKKX20 Goku = 1,024,000,000,000,000,000 (1.024 Quintillion)
Post-Ultra Instinct -Sign- (Second Awakening) SS3 Goku = 204,800,000,000,000,000,000 (204.8 Quintillion)

With me doing the math again, Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) SSBKKX20 Goku has the same AP stats as SFPS4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) lol!

Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) Goku • Super 17 Saga Goku • Standard Battle Assumptions • Speed is equalized • In a very large indestructible Tournament of Power Arena

Now that we had finally established that DBS Anime Goku has the same AP as DBS Anime Goku with me doing the actual math once again using the two blogs, we are keeping this settings and not changing it!
 
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Well, as i went through before, this is not working.

  • We went throughly over the chain for GT, indicating the key used by OP (Shadow Saga SFPSSJ4 Goku) is going to be 10 quitillion times 2-C, the anchor for the scaling chain
    • OP called out for 1 quintillion in a post, but as he was using Full Power SSJ4 instead of Super Full Power SSJ4, the value is slightly imprecise as i pointed out a bit later
  • While Pre-UI Sign's Goku (called Final Future Trip SSB Goku in the chain's page) latest transformation, SSBKkx20, is 512 quadrillion times 2-C

10 Quintillion / 512 Quadrillion = 19.53125x difference for GTku, 100% a stomp


And that is what OP has been calling a stonewalling, but what i can prove is the condition for the match to possibly exist:
  • Post-UI Sign Goku is signed to be equal to the prior saga's Vegito, 512 Quadrillionx the reference
  • Letting him be SSJ (and only this transformation) makes him 50x that, 25.6 Quintillionx the reference

25.6 Quintillion / 10 Quintillion = 2,56x difference for Superku, matchmaking still possible


With that being all i've been saying for quite a while amidst confusion, i still invite OP to fetch evidence towards his preposterous report and will not come back to this thread until the matter is solved.
 
Nonynho said:
Well, as i went through before, this is not working.

  • We went throughly over the chain for GT, indicating the key used by OP (Shadow Saga SFPSSJ4 Goku) is going to be 10 quitillion times 2-C, the anchor for the scaling chain
    • OP called out for 1 quintillion in a post, but as he was using Full Power SSJ4 instead of Super Full Power SSJ4, the value is slightly imprecise as i pointed out a bit later
  • While Pre-UI Sign's Goku (called Final Future Trip SSB Goku in the chain's page) latest transformation, SSBKkx20, is 512 quadrillion times 2-C

10 Quintillion / 512 Quadrillion = 19.53125x difference for GTku, 100% a stomp


And that is what OP has been calling a stonewalling, but what i can prove is the condition for the match to possibly exist:
  • Post-UI Sign Goku is signed to be equal to the prior saga's Vegito, 512 Quadrillionx the reference
  • Letting him be SSJ (and only this transformation) makes him 50x that, 25.6 Quintillionx the reference

25.6 Quintillion / 10 Quintillion = 2,56x difference for Superku, matchmaking still possible


With that being all i've been saying for quite a while amidst confusion, i still invite OP to fetch evidence towards his preposterous report and will not come back to this thread until the matter is solved.
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Read carefully. I already added 10x multiplier for Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku (SFPSJ4 Goku), and came to conclusion that both SFPSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) SSJBKKX20 Goku has the same 1,024,000,000,000,000,000 (1.024 Quintillion) x 3U AP stats.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Read carefully. I already added 10x multiplier for Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku (SFPSJ4 Goku), and came to conclusion that both SFPSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) and Tournament of Power (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) SSJBKKX20 Goku has the same 1,024,000,000,000,000,000 (1.024 Quintillion) x 3U stats.
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When i had posted, the forum did not load your latest post.

Will argue whenever the matter of your report is solved.
 
No further protests against OP's proposition of matchmaking, as the math aligns quite well.

I still am on the side of GTku as the line of arguments should pretty much be the same, as both were on slightly more advanced keys when the last match happened, so my vote towards that side should still be counted.

@RedReaper616 is a very capable and knowledgeable member for the verse and should be able to argue better than me for whichever site. I do not wish to come back to this thread, do not call me back here.
 
ok so now the 2 gokus are equal in power

well then GTku just wins cuz he has more stuff

I mean, since this website chooses to heavily nerf the Super Saiyan God transformation to just being a x160,000 boost despite that not being the case, technically Superku would 1 shot due to being multiple levels of infinity above GTku at this point, but again, since this website has a really sh*t way of scaling DB Super, according to this website's rules, GTku would win here
 
Mickey1940 said:
ok so now the 2 gokus are equal in power

well then GTku just wins cuz he has more stuff

I mean, since this website chooses to heavily nerf the Super Saiyan God transformation to just being a x160,000 boost despite that not being the case, technically Superku would 1 shot due to being multiple levels of infinity above GTku at this point, but again, since this website has a really sh*t way of scaling DB Super, according to this website's rules, GTku would win here
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Your vote is already counted.
 
GT Goku wins by sheer technique variety ( Dragonfist, KHH x10) and adaptation to Super Gokus techniques, quite literally nothing Goku does can work on GT Goku twice even with a 10x AP advantage.
 
denisnic55 said:
Since when Cabba loses to GT Goku? The hell are those multipliers
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Something about Super Full Power Saiyan 4 having higher multiplier than Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20 (204.8 million > 160 million) combined with DBGT Anime Goku scaling above a 2-C character at 1% Base all came into this factor. Hence how Super 17 Saga Goku ends up having the same stats as Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign- Goku in this fight, sorry but I have absolutely zero control over this.
 
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Me right now while waiting:
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