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The main showrunner is quoted as saying outright that he disagrees with that interpretation, and he was writing seasons 1 and 2 as well. The writers were just building up the exposure into how the villains' minds work.
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The Boys discussion thread
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Spinoirr
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Yeah Homelander is like the embodiment of everything America really is, and that Authoritarianism is the logical extreme of AmericaAs far as I am aware, Homelander was always supposed to be a satire of Trump, and the show in general a satire of the worst parts of the United States ruling class. It likely started with the surface image of Homelander as being cool and admireable and then started to get into what he actually is at his core. However, whether you appreciate what the show is or not is up to you.
The imperialism, Hard Power only, American Expeponalism, Christian Nationalist, settling humanity backwards out of sheer hate, the narcissism, the corrupt evil elites, the toxic celebrity culture that bleed into politics and all that shit
I mean hell IRL Trump wants to go after our world's "Starlighters" you can't make this shit up. It's just Homelander is the manifestation of everything horrible about America and Trump is that too. Thus the Trump paroty he became fits everything Homelander represents in my view
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For ******* real, Homelander IS pathetic but there were way better ways to show it.
I didn't mind him begging, but begging and on top of that doing what you said would have been peak. The sucking **** and eat shit jokes were just played out for memes in a supposedly serious moment that was hyped up even since s1
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im just saying there is 1 religion the show will not touch despite certain things going on, yet they love to get everything else thats popular and ‘trendy’.
not saying more than that
not saying more than that
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Yup. I likely went even further in that regard with my own old story, although that was only a part of everything it satirised.
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The Boys is a parody of superhuman filled societies,where instead of every superhero being an altruistic idol, theyre all corrupt and use their status for their benefit while ignoring laws and lying to the public.Its meant to show what a more realistic take on superheroes would be,since superheroes have the same status as people in power in our irl society.So the strongest one being so extreme that he wants to take those benefits to the utmost limit,is something you should expect.
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A model antagonist is what Homelander is, subjectively and I believe so. You do not have to act high and mighty with your arms out and not be pathetic to be a great antagonist. If you believe otherwise, please enlighten me without using personal or pretentious reasoning.
The fact of the matter is that Homelander yearns for connection. That is how he was raised. Him attempting to abandon something he craves and failing is not unrealistic, but that is not the issue I am addressing at all here.
That does not mean anything. He could have just been scared out of his mind. You expect a man begging on his knees for his own life, a man who was once the most powerful in the world, to seek reason? Please question what you are saying here at the very least. And what you suggested was even more illogical, considering all of the above turned on him or were nowhere near the area. Homelander was alone and vulnerable.
Maybe it was a reference? unlikely
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Kripke simply dabble in topics that are relatively acceptable to joke about. Good luck making a joke about Islam; tomorrow this showrunner will be on his knees apologizing to Kadyrov.Like it or not, as I mentioned above, some "Christians" are just as extreme and fanatical as the most extreme jihadists, and have invented their own religion that has nothing to do with the contents of the original Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ, and those "Christians" have become extremely politically influential in the United States, and it would be irresponsible for everybody to just ignore that. This has nothing whatsoever to do with attacking the core of the true Christian faith in itself.
It's cool to overdo it with humor when you know you're laughing at people who won't do anything to you.
Why delve into political satire if you want to do it safely and without losing ratings?
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Well, he was an overpowered bully and supremacist with a god-complex. Falling apart after turning into a regular defenceless person makes perfect sense to me.
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Trump and the Republican politicians and oligarchs are systematically going after everybody they see as obstacles to the greatest extent that they can get away with, and the United States is increasingly turning more and more totalitarian in that regard, so the people who are standing up to them are in fact taking great longterm personal risks, and genuinely evil and absolutely corrupt people deserve to be mocked to start with.
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His status was what gave him motivation to keep going.He was a lab project,he doesn't get his father approval and attention,so he tries in his way to create a role for himself.When that is taken away,he is exactly what butcher said "Nothing".Well, he was an overpowered bully and supremacist with a god-complex. Falling apart after turning into a regular person makes perfect sense to me.
So him desperately clinging to what he has left is pretty logical.
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Okay, I had to work today so I didn't get to watch the finale until now.
I thought this was just an okay ending. To be fair, it was better than I expected. It is probably the best episode of the season, for sure. I'd go like 4<6<5<7<3<2<1=<8
The middle of this season was a complete, utter trainwreck. So much of it just had little progression of the plot, to the point that basically everything was forced into the finale.
I'm pretty disappointed by the scale of this being so, SOOO pitiful. Compared to all the marketing. I expected the entire world to be enflames. Nukes fired. Homelander lasering the non-believers in the streets while he's flying through the sky like the 'god' he claims to be. None of that happened. Even the comics seemingly had a larger scale than this finale. At least the military was somewhat involved.
Instead, its just this street level brawl where Homelander somehow feels arbitrarily nerfed? DESPITE the fact that he's supposed to be stronger than ever before right now. Like how tf is this version of Butcher basically soloing him during that final fight? When earlier in the season it looked like Homelander was absolutely low-diffing him. Like yeah, he eventually needed some help from Ryan, but still, wtf? I really expected Homelander to show a whole lot more. What a complete, utter fraud.
If they played their cards right, they absolutely could've kept that same scale. Maybe if half the season wasn't just diddle daddling around.
Homelander being pathetic at the end was expected but the dialogue just felt weird. Like, giving bro ******** and eating his poop? Idk, its so childish. I expected better dialogue in the end, but it's okay... I guess. My favored ending would've been Homelander getting jailed and being forced to experience more of life without powers (which would be crazy suffering for him), but Iguess killing him his better with how little time they actually have for the episode.
Butcher going evil was pretty expected, though I'm surprised he still went that far without Kessler still inside him tbh. Lowkey a super plot-convenience that Hughie won that interaction. Idk why he even went without telling anyone.
Gen V was completely trashed on. Show cancelled and the characters made irrelevant. What a joke. Gen V is now a show that is pointless to consume. How sad is that? I at least expected Marie to aid in fighting Homelander? Like wtf? Lol.
Also, they really didn't do much in showing the world's reaction to anything. It wasn't even exposed to the public just how bad Homelander was. Big missed opportunity IMO. What happened with all the people who genuinely believed in Homelander? What happened regarding the 'Starlighters" and the Homelander camps. World development was pretty meh.
As expected, Stan Edgar ended up back on top and is continuing the cycle, just as I predicted last week. To be real, Butcher is probably right that another Homelander is bound to show up.
Oh well.
Overall: 8/10 Episode; 6/10 Finale; 6/10 Season
Season 4 < Season 5 < Season 2 < Season 3 < Season 1
I thought this was just an okay ending. To be fair, it was better than I expected. It is probably the best episode of the season, for sure. I'd go like 4<6<5<7<3<2<1=<8
The middle of this season was a complete, utter trainwreck. So much of it just had little progression of the plot, to the point that basically everything was forced into the finale.
I'm pretty disappointed by the scale of this being so, SOOO pitiful. Compared to all the marketing. I expected the entire world to be enflames. Nukes fired. Homelander lasering the non-believers in the streets while he's flying through the sky like the 'god' he claims to be. None of that happened. Even the comics seemingly had a larger scale than this finale. At least the military was somewhat involved.
Instead, its just this street level brawl where Homelander somehow feels arbitrarily nerfed? DESPITE the fact that he's supposed to be stronger than ever before right now. Like how tf is this version of Butcher basically soloing him during that final fight? When earlier in the season it looked like Homelander was absolutely low-diffing him. Like yeah, he eventually needed some help from Ryan, but still, wtf? I really expected Homelander to show a whole lot more. What a complete, utter fraud.
If they played their cards right, they absolutely could've kept that same scale. Maybe if half the season wasn't just diddle daddling around.
Homelander being pathetic at the end was expected but the dialogue just felt weird. Like, giving bro ******** and eating his poop? Idk, its so childish. I expected better dialogue in the end, but it's okay... I guess. My favored ending would've been Homelander getting jailed and being forced to experience more of life without powers (which would be crazy suffering for him), but Iguess killing him his better with how little time they actually have for the episode.
Butcher going evil was pretty expected, though I'm surprised he still went that far without Kessler still inside him tbh. Lowkey a super plot-convenience that Hughie won that interaction. Idk why he even went without telling anyone.
Gen V was completely trashed on. Show cancelled and the characters made irrelevant. What a joke. Gen V is now a show that is pointless to consume. How sad is that? I at least expected Marie to aid in fighting Homelander? Like wtf? Lol.
Also, they really didn't do much in showing the world's reaction to anything. It wasn't even exposed to the public just how bad Homelander was. Big missed opportunity IMO. What happened with all the people who genuinely believed in Homelander? What happened regarding the 'Starlighters" and the Homelander camps. World development was pretty meh.
As expected, Stan Edgar ended up back on top and is continuing the cycle, just as I predicted last week. To be real, Butcher is probably right that another Homelander is bound to show up.
Oh well.
Overall: 8/10 Episode; 6/10 Finale; 6/10 Season
Season 4 < Season 5 < Season 2 < Season 3 < Season 1
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Are we gonna have a 10-A key for homelander btw? It'll be really funny
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It is explained why Hughie won the interaction,the whole series builds up to Hughie being similar to Lenny.And Hughie went alone, because Butcher was carrying a genocidal virus and could release it any second.And bringing others would escalate the situation,I believe Hugie went alone so he alone could have a talk with Butcher trying to reason with him.
Everything else you said is fair.
Especially the Gen V stuff.Completely underwhelming.Literally,other than the virus Gen V is irrelevant to the main story plot.
I think its better if we unanimously agree that Gen V takes place in a separate continuity without questioning it at all.
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Nah,weaker than the average human.
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Bro wouldn't even be 10-A. He'd be 10-B at best
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Yeah, I'm aware, but I still think it's a super plot convenience that right at the end Butcher sees a vision of Lenny and just freezes. He completely won the interaction with Hughie, so to me, it just feels like a very meh way of having Hughie win. I get it, but I'm not very happy with it.
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I'm pretty sure he's still pretty well built.
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Well,its just a classic "sudden moment of realisation" trope.I liked it a lot because Hughie and Butchers dynamic is my favourite thing in this show.
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Not enough for it to warrant 10-A by itself
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Why are we actually powerscaling powerless homelander
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Nah, he's most likely 10-A just based on weight/build/height and the fact that he did do strength training. He should have some muscle even if they aren't fueled by V anymore in that state.
Also, he did kinda, sorta, not really take a couple punches from Butcher who is lowkey like superhuman strength.
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Would be funny in versus threadsWhy are we actually powerscaling powerless homelander
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Oh right, Sage is definitely the weakest writing for a Smart
character I've ever seen
character I've ever seen
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Guys, we found one! A REAL one! A Larper!I mean to be completely honest, I have only watched parts of the show, while reading summaries of the other episodes, and watched the final episode because it was so hyped and really liked it. If I had seen all of the worst grossness of this show I would probably have felt revolted.
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Every punch was brutal and completely messed him up so idk about that.
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Oh Father is at least 50% of the reason this season doesn't leave a completely bad taste in my mouth. Stole the show in my opinion
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This episode has its strong points (Homelander's end, Butcher's end, where the group ends up) and its weak points (combat, Sage's end, Vought's return, Frenchie's will and testament. Taking it in as the finale to 7 seasons of material, 5 being pertinent, it's just fine. It felt convenient and low stakes, but pretty much everyone was consistent with how they'd been written up to this point.
My only personal beef is that Ryan is no longer a supe, more specifically a natural born supe with proven potential to be mightier than all who came before him and possibly the first of a true human subspecies. It's this problem I have with "the dying of the light," where gifted people lose their fantastical abilities (S&L Superman is a good example of this). It feels like such a waste. It's not a thematic problem, not really. It just feels like a waste. I was hoping he kept them without pause or they would've returned as if his body had to produce enough natural V, like with Superman after using his solar flare.
My only personal beef is that Ryan is no longer a supe, more specifically a natural born supe with proven potential to be mightier than all who came before him and possibly the first of a true human subspecies. It's this problem I have with "the dying of the light," where gifted people lose their fantastical abilities (S&L Superman is a good example of this). It feels like such a waste. It's not a thematic problem, not really. It just feels like a waste. I was hoping he kept them without pause or they would've returned as if his body had to produce enough natural V, like with Superman after using his solar flare.
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Above, I showed an example of how Homelander was both terrifying and interesting in the early seasons. In the final season, he became a laughing stock.
Darth Vader is a lonely, unhappy man, deprived of his family and disabled through his own fault. He spends all his time in misery and at the beck and call of the man who ruined his life. All he can do is take out his anger on others. Yes, he's a rather pathetic person, but he's terrifying; no one will tell him to his face that he's worthless and not a laughing stock.
Makima is the same lonely child who simply needed love. She grew up under the government's watch, bossed around and ordered around by them. The only people who truly loved her were her dogs, and she had a parasocial relationship with Pochita. Nevertheless, she's terrifying and interesting.
Furuta is a bastard child, an expendable tool in the family, and he suffers from the lack of a parental figure in his life. The love of his life ran away and effectively forgot about him. He literally begged Kaneki to take all the blame so that Nimura could live a normal life. Before his death, he became hysterical and said he wanted everything in the world to be his. It's all due to his insecurities. Nevertheless, he's very interesting to watch.
If Homelander had maintained the character from the first two seasons, which would have been destroyed at the end when he lost his powers, people wouldn't have had so many complaints. But this guy literally sends his father to the kids with a particularly dangerous poison, and then makes a face like he's soiled his diaper.
In fact, it is an artificial stretching of the plot and regression
No. Pleading for help with Deep, whom he had already kicked out, would be typical of him, and also quite pathetic. Generally, asking those around him to help him.
Wait, are you really saying that the idea of a son helping his father escape is less logical than Butcher giving Homelander a blow-job and then letting him go after he's had his fill?
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The love part in ep7 was kinda cool,but it just gives me flashes of THAT scene from GenV.Oh right, Sage is definitely the weakest writing for a Smart
L is the peak of hyper intelligent character writing.
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I completely forgot about Sage. Wow, she was so terrible lol.Oh right, Sage is definitely the weakest writing for a Smart
What a complete nothing burger character...
For being so intelligent, she only ever did a single smart thing, which was helping Frenchie get the formula right for Kimiko.
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Weight, build, and height can contribute to something like 10-A, but I really don't think we should be giving Homelander the benefit of the doubt. Any strength training he does is...limited? At best? It's certainly not something he does consistently enough for him to maintain any natural muscle mass. Bro absolutely relies on the powers that were granted to him with Temp V, and the show really hammers that down consistently. It's also why he's a shitty fighter, he's just letting the fact that Temp V's made him the strongest guy on the planet carry him. The finale shows this too, he tries going for lasers while depowered. When that fails, he tries flying. Then he actually tries to run away, but we see Butcher step in his way, making Homelander back away
I also wouldn't count him not immediately dying to Butcher's punches as durability support. Even Butcher's first punch had him absolutely stunned
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Hasn't trained a single day of his life,in combat at least.Shitty BIQ as well,brother charges in and lasers the cockpit like nothing's gonna happen.
He is used to being the most powerful,so he doesn't pay attention to combat since he knows he whoops anyone anyways.
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No, he's definitely ass. Like I said above, he's absolutely putting all of his stonks in sheer power. The Boys doesn't really have legit skill feats, at least not for the supes (hell not even for Soulja Boy)
Furthermore, when depowered, Butcher casually caught his punch and wailed on him. If Homelander had at least some measure of skill, then he would've put up more of a fight
This shouldn't be surprising, the show has been consistent with the idea of "without his powers, he's nothing"
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He's like barely decent? He knows the bare minimum at least, I saw him block with elbows and duck under punches but beyond that... He's pretty bad
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