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The Boys discussion thread

It isn't about ridiculing Republicans in general, but about in my view accurately defining the Republican politicians, oligarchs, and Donald Trump in particular, who have brainwashed a lot of regular people to act completely against their own interests, as exactly as corrupt as they truly are in real life. 🙏
Ain’t politics usually a no go on site? I mean, I have some choice words as far as the politics in the show but I thought we kinda….didnt allow that
 
I like to think that season 5 is taking a big swing at the US's extreme theocracy.
Well, many of the evangelical Christian Zionists have been ecstatically preaching about that Donald Trump has been appointed by God to cause armageddon/the extinction of all life of the planet to cause the second coming of Jesus Christ, including a large amount of U.S. army officers to their troops, so it isn't like they are not extreme enough to satirise. 🙏
 
Well, many of the evangelical Christian Zionists have been ecstatically preaching about that Donald Trump has been appointed by God to cause armageddon/the extinction of all life of the planet to cause the second coming of Jesus Christ, including a large amount of U.S. army officers to their troops, so it isn't like they are not extreme enough to satirise. 🙏
Also the elephant in the room
Trump using AI to depict himself as jesus.
 
Oh yeah, we can upgrade Sage’s durability, I assume, given her surviving Kimiko’s blast

Also, could Kimiko be upgraded after the experiments? Not only does she have the blast, but she can also take attacks from Homelander without being split in half like last time
 
The ending was not as bad as people making it out to be. Like it’s a solid 6-7/10 finale. Felt very rushed
From everything I've seen its not even that a lot of people say its bad. This is one of the 50/50 endings where some think it's bad and others think its good and saved the show.
 
Oh yeah, we can upgrade Sage’s durability, I assume, given her surviving Kimiko’s blast

Also, could Kimiko be upgraded after the experiments? Not only does she have the blast, but she can also take attacks from Homelander without being split in half like last time
Even though that the experiments didn't buff SB considerably,you can still argue that Kimiko got a significant buff.

And I would guess that Sage is a supe,so she has the standard super durability and strength maybe?
Also,the radiation blast could just be a dura neg hax ability.
 
The ending was not as bad as people making it out to be. Like it’s a solid 6-7/10 finale. Felt very rushed
I think that it was just too compressed in terms of the required number of episodes, and that this decision was likely out of the hands of the showrunners. 🙏
 
I think that it was just too compressed in terms of the required number of episodes, and that this decision was likely out of the hands of the showrunners. 🙏
Weird season tbh,most episodes are great on their own but are considered bad because given their distance from the Finale they should have built up to it more.
 
Even though that the experiments didn't buff SB considerably,you can still argue that Kimiko got a significant buff.

And I would guess that Sage is a supe,so she has the standard super durability and strength maybe?
Also,the radiation blast could just be a dura neg hax ability.

Yeah, Kimiko seemed to get some kind of buff for sure

And yeah. Sage never showed strength though. But the durability at least seems likely. And Kimiko’s blast definitely seems to have some force behind it
 
It isn't about ridiculing Republicans in general, but about in my view accurately defining the Republican politicians, oligarchs, and Donald Trump in particular, who have brainwashed a lot of regular people to act completely against their own interests, as exactly as corrupt as they truly are in real life. 🙏
I disagree. The series has descended into exaggerated caricatures and simply screams about how stupid the other social strata are.
Kripke also, for some reason, touches on some political topics, but does so so weakly that he lacks the courage to joke about both sides of the conflict.
There's no subtlety. Just childish mockery, portraying the other side as idiots, and jokes about dicks and men's asses. Firecracker's subordinate licks his own ass, Legend talks about licking someone's ass, Hughie farts in a cake, a Spider-Man lookalike ***** himself in front of Homelander, a moray eel kills Burke through his ass, Terror dreams of ******* Homelander in the ass, Frenchy talks about Hughie, MM, Annie, and Butcher's anus, Soldier Boy says he'll **** his son, Kimiko constantly jokes about ****, an old super guy fights with his *****, Deep pees in his pants, Super Rock is frozen in his rock-hard cum, Super Quadrobers sniff each other's asses and discuss what food their asses smell like. That's what I named off the top of my head. Does Eric really think this is adult humor? Why is he so bold in making jokes about men's asses and dicks, but not about women? Was he given a quota for jokes about dicks and men's asses? Or is the series a way to express his fetishes?
 
Anyway, normally I think that adaptations that diverge a lot from the source material, such as The Wheel Of Time, usually turn out comparatively awful, and want as faithful adaptations as possible, but in this case I have far higher thoughts about the TV show than about the original comicbook, which I more or less detest. 🙏
 
I disagree. The series has descended into exaggerated caricatures and simply screams about how stupid the other social strata are.
Kripke also, for some reason, touches on some political topics, but does so so weakly that he lacks the courage to joke about both sides of the conflict.
There's no subtlety. Just childish mockery, portraying the other side as idiots, and jokes about dicks and men's asses. Firecracker's subordinate licks his own ass, Legend talks about licking someone's ass, Hughie farts in a cake, a Spider-Man lookalike ***** himself in front of Homelander, a moray eel kills Burke through his ass, Terror dreams of ******* Homelander in the ass, Frenchy talks about Hughie, MM, Annie, and Butcher's anus, Soldier Boy says he'll ** his son, Kimiko constantly jokes about , an old super guy fights with his ***, Deep pees in his pants, Super Rock is frozen in his rock-hard cum, Super Quadrobers sniff each other's asses and discuss what food their asses smell like. That's what I named off the top of my head. Does Eric really think this is adult humor? Why is he so bold in making jokes about men's asses and dicks, but not about women? Was he given a quota for jokes about dicks and men's asses? Or is the series a way to express his fetishes?
Well, I obviously agree about that I strongly dislike the crude grossness and vulgarity parts. I mainly just think that the showrunners are brave for taking a public stand to oppose and satirise an absolutely corrupt political administration, despite that it has proven very dangerous to do so. 🙏
 
No, Kripke is simply a talentless idiot who's been making jokes about farts, asses, shit, and memes for the past few seasons.
He has absolutely no idea when jokes are appropriate and when they're not.

Not to mention that he ruined one of the greatest antagonists in media, turning him from a terrifying, manipulative psychopath into a cartoonish jerk who was humiliated by every character he encountered in Season 5. Instead of a bold satire of superhero satire, we got a toothless attempt to ridicule a certain segment of society and one specific individual.
I'm honestly completely shocked by the number of people who came into agreement with this. The whole point of Homelander without his powers is that he is a, quote "weak, sniveling, ******* loser". You are shocked that the baby man child sociopath, who was feared because of his strength, loses the one thing that made him revered and starts being pathetic and groveling in his misery, just like he forced others to be when he was in power.

Do y'all actually watch the show at all?
 
It isn't about ridiculing Republicans in general, but about in my view accurately defining the Republican politicians, oligarchs, and Donald Trump in particular, who have brainwashed a lot of regular people to act completely against their own interests, as exactly as corrupt as they truly are in real life. 🙏
In the first season, Homelander manipulated Vought and the public, twisted the plane crash to his advantage, found his son, created super-terrorists, injected supers into the military program, eliminated rivals, and made the heroes worry about him every time he was around them. He was smart, calculating, and terrifying.

He was laughed in his face by Hughie, Kimiko, A-Train, Marathon, Soldier Boy, Raian, Butcher, and Stan. He spends the entire season crying like a loser.

He spends the entire season acting like an idiot, and milk memes have become utterly obsessive. And the memes themselves, too. When Season 5 aired, Starr promoted his image not with cool drama, psychology, and deep themes, but by literally making Homelander a meme.
No one feared Homelander in Season 5. No one respected him. His intelligence has also plummeted. Eric was so eager to pelt Trump with poop that he forgot to take off his pants. He completely squandered the potential of his best work in an attempt to attract the politician's attention and show off his boldness and progressiveness, when in reality, it was all just a sham.
 
I mean to be completely honest, I have only watched parts of the show, while reading summaries of the other episodes, and watched the final episode because it was so hyped and really liked it. If I had seen all of the worst grossness of this show I would probably have felt revolted. 🙏
 
doesnt matter, hes atleast physically comparable to her (and he was in a crappy mental state anyway, dude was giving her the work in their earlier fight so she DEFINITELY shouldnt be confident that she could take him in just throwing hands), the fight could’ve gone either way so why not take him to a building or somewhere you have electricity in abundance or something?

they only had her go to the beach so that he could get jumped by sea creatures. logically there’s no reason the fight should’ve went there, but using logic on this show is a waste of time so nvm i guess
Ye, this was stupid on Annie's part ngl 100% PIS they just wanted the sea creatures to finish him off (which btw, wasn't even logical in the first place).

Tbh the most logical fight would have been done somewhere with a lot of electricity but then they wanted Deep dead and it wasn't in character for Annie to kill I guess??? She killed two characters in straight up fights before though (Shapeshifter and Dogknott)

and Starlight could totally have won the fight without fish help btw she wasn't depicted as much weaker in season 4 and she WAS NERFED mentally.
 
In the first season, Homelander manipulated Vought and the public, twisted the plane crash to his advantage, found his son, created super-terrorists, injected supers into the military program, eliminated rivals, and made the heroes worry about him every time he was around them. He was smart, calculating, and terrifying.

He was laughed in his face by Hughie, Kimiko, A-Train, Marathon, Soldier Boy, Raian, Butcher, and Stan. He spends the entire season crying like a loser.

He spends the entire season acting like an idiot, and milk memes have become utterly obsessive. And the memes themselves, too. When Season 5 aired, Starr promoted his image not with cool drama, psychology, and deep themes, but by literally making Homelander a meme.
No one feared Homelander in Season 5. No one respected him. His intelligence has also plummeted. Eric was so eager to pelt Trump with poop that he forgot to take off his pants. He completely squandered the potential of his best work in an attempt to attract the politician's attention and show off his boldness and progressiveness, when in reality, it was all just a sham.
Well, to be fair, Homelander's behaviour reflects his own deteriorating mental condition due to extreme megalomaniacal egomania, as well as Trump's own increasingly unhinged old age dementia. And it is also about not glamourising and idealising pure satanic evil as something admireable. Evil is thoroughly hollow and narcissistic at its core. 🙏
 
So was the sole impact of the V-One just that it made Homelander immortal & rendered the virus an ineffective method to deal with him, and the 'shooting lasers to the sky' thing was a temporary high?
 
Well, to be fair, his behaviour reflects his own deteriorating mental condition due to extreme megalomaniacal egomania, as well as Trump's own increasingly unhinged old age dementia. 🙏
This isn't a Trump show. It's a dark superhero satire with distinct characters. Trump's deteriorating condition shouldn't affect the show, its story, or its characters in any way, simply because it's not about him.
 
yeah, an “absolutely corrupt organization” yet they wont dare touch certain things—christianity is the bane of existence but god help them if they even glance at another really popular religion, i’ll leave that alone though.

regardless, the religion and political commentary isnt even the crux of the problem, many shows can touch on that stuff but still focus on what really matters in the end; its the fact that they focus on that more than actual good writing, so that when people criticize it, they can just pull out the “well you’re just mad because it makes fun of you hurr durr”, basically avoiding any sort of responsibility for shi**y writing. but in a way im happy, because there is a sense of vindication knowing that excuse is all but dead at this point.

anyway whats the status on homie flying to space? still an outlier? he just threw him? it was like 5 seconds up n down so if it goes through its atleast MHS+ flight speed right?
 
This isn't a Trump show. It's a dark superhero satire with distinct characters. Trump's deteriorating condition shouldn't affect the show, its story, or its characters in any way, simply because it's not about him.
As far as I am aware, Homelander was always supposed to be a satire of Trump, and the show in general a satire of the worst parts of the United States ruling class. It likely started with the surface image of Homelander as being cool and admireable and then started to get into what he actually is at his core. However, whether you appreciate what the show is or not is up to you. 🙏
 
yeah, an “absolutely corrupt organization” yet they wont dare touch certain things—christianity is the bane of existence but god help them if they even glance at another really popular religion, i’ll leave that alone though.

regardless, the religion and political commentary isnt even the crux of the problem, many shows can touch on that stuff but still focus on what really matters in the end; its the fact that they focus on that more than actual good writing, so that when people criticize it, they can just pull out the “well you’re just mad because it makes fun of you hurr durr”, basically avoiding any sort of responsibility for shi**y writing. but in a way im happy, because there is a sense of vindication knowing that excuse is all but dead at this point.
The religious commentary paired nicely with Homelanders character arc, it's not just trying to make fun of extreme theocracy.And it did focus on what mattered in the end,defeating Homelander and ending his tyranny.The religious commentary showed at what scale Homelanders power and influence had reached.
Which fits his character trope.
 
anyway whats the status on homie flying to space? still an outlier? he just threw him? it was like 5 seconds up n down so if it goes through its atleast MHS+ flight speed right?
Mach 150,can be considered an outlier,but i dont really mind that scaling.
 
yeah, an “absolutely corrupt organization” yet they wont dare touch certain things—christianity is the bane of existence but god help them if they even glance at another really popular religion, i’ll leave that alone though.

regardless, the religion and political commentary isnt even the crux of the problem, many shows can touch on that stuff but still focus on what really matters in the end; its the fact that they focus on that more than actual good writing, so that when people criticize it, they can just pull out the “well you’re just mad because it makes fun of you hurr durr”, basically avoiding any sort of responsibility for shi**y writing. but in a way im happy, because there is a sense of vindication knowing that excuse is all but dead at this point.

anyway whats the status on homie flying to space? still an outlier? he just threw him? it was like 5 seconds up n down so if it goes through its atleast MHS+ flight speed right?
I think you've misinterpreted. I don't disagree that Christianity is often an 'easy target' in American television, but Oh Father's song, the little movie clip featuring Jesus, and virtually everything else about the 'church' plotline portray Homelander trying to play God and replace Jesus as a bad thing. The villains (Oh Father & Homelander) mock Jesus' actions (healing lepers, walking on water, turning water into wine) and try to usurp him, and they are subsequently defeated and humiliated. At best it's a parody of megachurches, which is hardly saying much about Christianity as a whole.
 
This isn't a Trump show. It's a dark superhero satire with distinct characters. Trump's deteriorating condition shouldn't affect the show, its story, or its characters in any way, simply because it's not about him.
The show is many things, dark superhero satire being one of them, and even then I'd argue they (superheroes) are a stand-in for celebrities and culture around that more so than superheroes themselves outside MCU diggs and whatnot, and capitalism, etc. It's actually pretty interesting how many things they satarize.

Also:
 
I'm honestly completely shocked by the number of people who came into agreement with this. The whole point of Homelander without his powers is that he is a, quote "weak, sniveling, ******* loser". You are shocked that the baby man child sociopath, who was feared because of his strength, loses the one thing that made him revered and starts being pathetic and groveling in his misery, just like he forced others to be when he was in power.

Do y'all actually watch the show at all?
I'm complaining about how Kripke has degraded his character from a model antagonist, considered by many to be the best ever, to "I wrote a fanfic where I'm Butcher and Trump is Homelander and he wants to blow me on live TV."
Eric has abandoned the characters and focused on memes and vulgarity.

Homelander has been moving toward abandoning his need for love throughout the series. We had an entire episode dedicated to this. But they're artificially pushing him back. The end result is stagnation and degradation.

By the way, in the comics, Homelander was also a pathetic loser who cried without pants, sucking his thumb. But do you know what he did when someone so powerful showed up that they tore his jaw off with one blow? He fought him to the end and tore him to pieces himself.

Homelander spent his entire youth exposed to violence and experimentation. He knew no pity or mercy. Why would he expect that?
It would have been much cooler if he'd called out for Soldier Boy, Deep, Oh-Father, hell, even Ryan, while desperately trying to fight or escape. He'd never have said he'd eat shit in front of an audience. He'd have been more likely to demand someone call the military.

By the way, this is the second time Starr has been willing to suck a dick to survive. The first time was in Banshee, lol.
 
yeah, an “absolutely corrupt organization” yet they wont dare touch certain things—christianity is the bane of existence but god help them if they even glance at another really popular religion, i’ll leave that alone though.
Like it or not, as I mentioned above, some "Christians" are just as extreme and fanatical as the most extreme jihadists, and have invented their own religion that has nothing to do with the contents of the original Christianity as taught by Jesus Christ, and those "Christians" have become extremely politically influential in the United States, and it would be irresponsible for everybody to just ignore that. This has nothing whatsoever to do with attacking the core of the true Christian faith in itself. 🙏
 
As far as I am aware, Homelander was always supposed to be a satire of Trump, and the show in general a satire of the worst parts of the United States ruling class. It likely started with the surface image of Homelander as being cool and admireable and then started to get into what he actually is at his core. However, whether you appreciate what the show is or not is up to you. 🙏
Friend, The Boys was originally a parody of superheroics. Homelander is an evil Superman in a world where marketing rules. The Trump-esque quirks started with season 3.
 
and Starlight could totally have won the fight without fish help btw she wasn't depicted as much weaker in season 4 and she WAS NERFED mentally.
idk man i watched the fight deep was ragdolling her until a-train showed up, she even kicked him in the nuts and he just shrugged it off; and in this fight deep was basically gone— no friends, no purpose, and the situation that started allat is right in front of him.

he lowkey shouldve won on paper, but i knew that wasnt happening
 
I always welcome shows that are sufficiently responsible to not attempt to idealise complete monsters into seeming cool, admirable, and ideals to strive towards, so I disagree with what seems to be your interpretation in that regard. 🙏
 
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