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Just tell us you want to be liked lol
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Adding NEP 1 to the gods; NEP 2 to the End; AC4 and nonexistence erasure (Nature Type 1) to Yogiri—along with all aspects.
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I don’t need your love or anyone else’s. I don’t even understand what this comment is about right now—it has nothing to do with what I said, or maybe you didn’t even read what I wrote.
Honestly, I don’t understand the point of this comment. I told you that people just upvote anyone who disagrees with me, and you came saying, “just say you want to be liked.” I’ve told you repeatedly not to talk to me, yet you still keep replying even though I stopped talking to you completely. It’s funny.
I want to block each other mutually, and you’re saying I want to be liked? Come on, don’t make me laugh. Why would I care whether you like me or not, and what would I even gain from your approval? Since I’ve known you and people like you, I haven’t gained anything from you at all.
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DontTalkDT comment was like, few years ago on an all-purpose NEP evaluation, a lot has changed
So, they only exist in NEP temporary before going back to existence?. So still no NEP, because you are not permanently existing in such state. At best you can only index them as Limited NEP (can exist in erased state)
And why all aspects? You need to prove that they was erased at the level that all of their apsects get erased, not assume that they was erased mean all of their aspects was included in, that is NLF
Also didn't there was a thread God can be killed without even erase their physical body and their non-physical aspects?
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Gods are indestructible and cannot be permanently killed; this is a fundamental rule in the novel.
Gods can be killed, but that is not the issue. The real issue is that they can return no matter how many times you kill or destroy them. They will come back again because death itself is merely another state of existence for them. They are capable of continuing in a state of nonexistence after being destroyed until they eventually return once more.
Killing gods requires neutralizing all of their aspects, and this was explicitly stated. Therefore, gods cannot be killed unless all of their aspects are completely destroyed. Is there even a problem with this? That is what the novel supports, so this is not NLF since the narrative explicitly backs it up.
A character does not need to remain in a nonexistent state forever in order to qualify for NEP 1. Every currently classified character is only capable of existing in a nonexistent state temporarily before eventually returning and reconstructing their body afterward. They do not remain in that state infinitely, and I do not see any rule stating that they must remain there forever. It is sufficient to prove that they are capable of continuing to exist in a state of nonexistence. Otherwise, by your logic, every character should only qualify for Limited NEP because they do not remain in a nonexistent state for very long and quickly reconstruct themselves.
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They dont
Only argument is World of Darkness
And gods who revive(UEG) tells us Concept of Nonexistence doesn't even exist. Like damn I am fairly sure we dont give every Darkness NEP ye? Characters who revive from "NEP" not believing into NEP sounds hilarious
Bro loves using arguments which has been debunked millions of times(and rejected previously by staff)
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Elizhaa already addressed this here, and I also replied to you, yet you’re still bringing up the same topic again?
“Darkness” is his true form. UEG said that such a thing cannot exist because she is referring to “the End” itself. How do you expect UEG to comprehend her situation when she is at the End itself? Even the Supreme God, who stands above all gods, is still unable to describe or define it, and still refers to it only as “that,” because there is no way to describe it other than as a “existence,” as was stated. UEG herself said that she does not understand this phenomenon at all; she was afraid, didn’t even know where she was, and was completely helpless. She didn’t even understand Takatou’s nature or what Takatou is.
Elizhaa already explained this to you in a comment here, yet you reopened the topic again!
If you didn’t see their comment, here it is ↓
I think Miranda's quote was out of context; It seems more about true death and everything already stated that only Yogiri can permanently gods and they would resurrect later otherwise.
UEG's quote was likely on the higher type of nonexistence to Yogiri's true form was about; I saw the point about night-omniscience sure they can learned a lot from omniscience like Mitsuki but it can take effort also and even then they are not even fully sure about Yogiri's end nature like Ultimate God so it would not really mean that UEG cannot be wrong especially when it is about Yogiri's end case. Also, the points below from Volume 12 chapter 10 support the sea of darkness being related to nonexistence and not other abstract place like a concepts; there is UEG that she said her concept was destroyed from by the concept destroying sword but it is argued that she existed in some abstract existence state like concept 3 instead; it seems to required more assumptions from Occam's razor compared to evidence of nonexistence especially the new one.
UEG's quote was likely on the higher type of nonexistence to Yogiri's true form was about; I saw the point about night-omniscience sure they can learned a lot from omniscience like Mitsuki but it can take effort also and even then they are not even fully sure about Yogiri's end nature like Ultimate God so it would not really mean that UEG cannot be wrong especially when it is about Yogiri's end case. Also, the points below from Volume 12 chapter 10 support the sea of darkness being related to nonexistence and not other abstract place like a concepts; there is UEG that she said her concept was destroyed from by the concept destroying sword but it is argued that she existed in some abstract existence state like concept 3 instead; it seems to required more assumptions from Occam's razor compared to evidence of nonexistence especially the new one.
Evidence: She herself admitted this and explicitly stated that she doesn’t even know what this “Takatou” is. She didn’t understand anything that was happening to her or where she was.
The words of the Ultimate God himself, the highest of all gods in the story:
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Yay, well i still disagree with NEP for God
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And what about the reason? Aren’t you going to explain your reasons?
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So far, only one moderator is against it, while a bureaucrat and an administrator agree that the gods have NEP 1 with all aspects. With a third vote, I will apply the changes.
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Do add the Staff Votes to the OP though
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We need the staff members' help here. At least one more vote. I'm tired of waiting.
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These are the current voting results:
Agreement: @Elizhaa and @DontTalkDT (NEP 1 for the Gods and the End with all aspects, Acausality Type 4 for the End, and Erasure of Nothingness (Natural Type 1) with all aspects for the End)
@Vietthai96 (NEP 1 and AC4 (the end))
Agreement: @Elizhaa and @DontTalkDT (NEP 1 for the Gods and the End with all aspects, Acausality Type 4 for the End, and Erasure of Nothingness (Natural Type 1) with all aspects for the End)
@Vietthai96 (NEP 1 and AC4 (the end))
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I am fairly certain that taking an agreement from several years ago while not asking the same question to that person in the thread itself is not allowed
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SO we are not counting the disagreements on NEp1 for gods? And we are counting a vote from years ago as an agreement?
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That is just your opinion. As for me, I counted his vote because he was the one who opened a dedicated NEP thread for these kinds of cases. If he already agreed there in a thread specifically managed for NEP cases, then it does not matter if years have passed since then, because that thread was made for these situations.
If it had only been some ordinary old thread where he happened to agree with it, I would not have counted his vote. But since he approved it in a thread specifically dedicated to NEP cases, that is a different matter.
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Vote manipulation? Did I put it in the voting section of the main thread? I only mentioned that he agreed with NEP 1, and I did not place it in the voting section of the main thread.
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putting a year old vote is a rule violation, I think
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alreadu report it, because this is genuinley like the 7th time we have this problem, so to save us another 9 page argument ill just let mods go thorugh ts 
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This is absolutely not allowed.
People's opinions change, standards are updated, and every CRT has to be personally reviewed by a staff member to get their vote.
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Please tag some staff members or give your opinion on the matter instead.
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I told you, I said that he agreed with the NEP in a thread specifically dedicated to NEP cases, and I mentioned his agreement, but I did not count him as part of the voting list in the main thread. I only said that he agreed with it in a dedicated thread.alreadu report it, because this is genuinley like the 7th time we have this problem, so to save us another 9 page argument ill just let mods go thorugh ts
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this says otherwise, it also came as passive agressive so chill on that
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Even if it was his dedicated NEP thread, the agreement was long in the past, it didn't count anymore, even if it simply an agreement from him, as Spaceman have said, people and ideas change over time, if you want to count, you need to re-ask him again to get his opinion
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Alright, I understood.
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The problem is that none of the staff members want to give their opinion. We mentioned a large number of staff members, and the only one who voted was Vietthai96 and Elizhaa
These are the current voting results:
Agreement: @Elizhaa (NEP 1 for the Gods and the End with all aspects, Acausality Type 4 for the End, and Erasure of Nothingness (Natural Type 1) with all aspects for the End)
@Vietthai96 (NEP 1 and AC4 (the end))
These are the current voting results:
Agreement: @Elizhaa (NEP 1 for the Gods and the End with all aspects, Acausality Type 4 for the End, and Erasure of Nothingness (Natural Type 1) with all aspects for the End)
@Vietthai96 (NEP 1 and AC4 (the end))
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You again forgot to count Viet's disagreement with the gods NEP as a vote...
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These are the current voting results:
Agreements
Elizhaa (NEP 1 for the Gods and the End with all aspects, Acausality Type 4 for the End, and Erasure of Nothingness (Natural Type 1) with all aspects for the End)
vietthai96 (NEP 1 and AC4 (the end))
disagreements:
vietthai96 (disagrees with the god's NEP)
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bump
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This is truly a disaster. Isn't there any other staff member who can vote, even if it's just by voting?
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thye bussy rn, give it a week ot two, it will eventually get accepted
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I've tired of waiting, isn't there at least one staff member giving their vote?
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You can ask staff to participate on their message walls
Some CRTs can take over a year to receive staff attention, though it isn't the norm
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or quote their message here and ask them kindly to tag other staff members
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I asked Raiki to notify some staff members, and he did that, but only one of the staff members he tagged actually showed up.
The problem is that the staff probably do not like voting on Instant Death works.
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Staff is overloaded by work or might be busy, so better to ask again
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Come help us with the voting.
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