Meliodas VS Isshiki (13-12-0)

[Foriaa]

I'll go ahead and mention Lostvayne since nobody else seems to have brought it up yet

Isshiki shrinks that


Voting Isshiki due to shrinking hax and a 10x speed with sukunahikona allowing him to dodge/shrink attacks

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Voting Isshiki due to shrinking hax and a 10x speed with sukunahikona allowing him to dodge/shrink attacks

Sukunahikona will be useless outside of shrinking lostvayne in terms of stopping Meliodas' attacks. He can't shrink Meli or any clones he makes and his attacks will be punches or his EE aura.

Plus as a note, in the entire fight vs Naruto and Sasuke in Jigen's body he never once shrunk Sasuke's sword so why should we assume he does that here? He only tried to shrink it when Sasuke threw Boruto transformed as the sword.

For the 10x speed, I didn't see any mention of that on Ishiki's profile so where is that coming from?

 

[speedster352]

Isshiki shrinks that


Voting Isshiki due to shrinking hax and a 10x speed with sukunahikona allowing him to dodge/shrink attacks

Powerfull enough darkness can counter hax abilties. Like how would isshiki know to shrink the sword he didn’t shrink sasukes sword off the bat. It doesnt really change the fact he would be busy shrinking trillion dark and the clones surrounding him amd then getting hit bt Melidoas’ passives.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Like how would isshiki know to shrink the sword he didn’t shrink sasukes sword off the bat.

You were thinking the exact same thing I was it seems.

 

[speedster352]

You were thinking the exact same thing I was it seems.

Also shrinking the sword would be worse because Meliodas would not be able to dispel the clones which would be bad for Isshiki.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

True. Unlike shadow clones they don't just disappear when you hit them. They can all take lethal damage before eventually fading away. Plus they all have his physical stats so Ishiki will have a very hard time dealing with them.

 

[Foriaa]

He only tried to shrink it when Sasuke threw Boruto transformed as the sword.

Like you said, he attempts to shrink Sasuke's sword until he found it it was Boruto, he also shrunk Boruto's kunai stopping him from harming himself. So yes, he 100% will attempt to shrink weapons.

For the 10x speed, I didn't see any mention of that on Ishiki's profile so where is that coming from?

Isshiki goes from 28c to 280c due to Sukunahikona being an order of mag faster than before.
At least FTL+ (Much faster than before>), Massively FTL with Sukunahikona (Kashin Koji noted that Isshiki’s Shinjutsu was an order of magnitude superior to Jigen’s when referring to its instantaneous speeds)

Powerfull enough darkness can counter hax abilties. Like how would isshiki know to shrink the sword he didn’t shrink sasukes sword off the bat.

The literal first thing he did against Sasuke after shrinking every shuriken, is attempting to shrink Sasuke's sword as well.

Powerfull enough darkness can counter hax abilties.

Where on Meli's profile is Lostvayne resistant against transmutation? If it's not, you'd have

 

[Foriaa]

Unlike shadow clones they don't just disappear when you hit them.

Shadow clones don't disappear after getting hit, you need enough damage to make them disappear. Naruto's clone specifically can throw hands with Madara's Limbo, which are described as being roughly equal to him in power.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Again, he didn't use his true magic form because his friends were there; it's not like he wants to destroy them and maybe for plot reasons I feel like the author may have made the abilty too strong. We did prove that when he is using true magic, he has an aura that can deconstruct things that get too close to him, like the demon arm. So the rods, when they make contact, would get disintegrated; they are clearly foreign objects making contact with Meliodas and the aura. Then Meliodas could use a pincher attack, use Trillion Dark and clones to distract Isshiki, get closer and then his passives should take effect. By the way, shrinking the clones wouldn't work, and even if it did, he can remake them, and it doesn't cost him any stamina. Meliodas' win condition here is getting close, so his passives will take effect, incapacitating Isshiki since they are layered, then use EE.

I'm talking about in purgatory. What friends were there when he was fighting the demon king?

You actually haven't proved it was his aura that destroyed his arm. If it was his aura he wouldn't even need to fight, he clearly attack the demon king for the deconstruction. Again the SD it was also an attack.

Anyways in voting ishikki since I've given my reasonings

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Like you said, he attempts to shrink Sasuke's sword until he found it it was Boruto, he also shrunk Boruto's kunai stopping him from harming himself. So yes, he 100% will attempt to shrink weapons.

Only when Sasuke threw it at him, he never even tried to shrink it while Sasuke was holding it or fighting with it. That's my point. If Meli doesn't throw his sword, which he never does, there is no reason to think Ishiki would try to shrink it.

The literal first thing he did against Sasuke after shrinking every shuriken, is attempting to shrink Sasuke's sword as well.

Manga panel you shared literally confirms this.

Shadow clones don't disappear after getting hit

Jigen, who is magnitudes weaker than Ishiki, was one tapping Shadow Clones with basic Taijutsu.

Isshiki goes from 28c to 280c due to Sukunahikona being an order of mag faster than before.
At least FTL+ (Much faster than before>), Massively FTL with Sukunahikona (Kashin Koji noted that Isshiki’s Shinjutsu was an order of magnitude superior to Jigen’s when referring to its instantaneous speeds)

So only Sukunahikona has the 10x speed. Yeah this doesn't change anything for me then. It's mostly not useful in this fight after "possibly" being able to shrink Lostvayne since none of Meli's other attacks will be shrinkable. Anything else Ishiki throws at him is getting destroyed by his aura as discussed.

 

[speedster352]

I'm talking about in purgatory. What friends were there when he was fighting the demon king?

You actually haven't proved it was his aura that destroyed his arm. If it was his aura he wouldn't even need to fight, he clearly attack the demon king for the deconstruction. Again the SD it was also an attack.

Anyways in voting ishikki since I've given my reasonings

Ban was trying to escape purgatory trough the portal if he was too close then the magic would have hit Ban as well. Also after the magic was activated the deconstruction was used on the demon king's arm. That's the ability of true magic it releases an aura surrounding Meliodaz that can deconstruct things and he can choose to EE things. The demon kings arm made contact and was destroyed by the true magic aura which was still floating a few meters from Meliodas by the way that is what happened why else did you think the demon king wouldn't just try to grab meliodas again? Did you see Meliodas attack or was he just using the true magic aura? Yes Tyrant Killing is an attack that can deconstruct characters but it needs to be done by a sword attack. What you even said doesn't prove anything. The true magic aura destroys the rods he uses attacks and clones to get close then the passives kick in like the distance is just 1km it wouldn't be difficult then he can use EE. My vote remain for Meliodas and I don't really see any win con for Isshiki so far.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Ban was trying to escape purgatory trough the portal if he was too close then the magic would have hit Ban as well. Also after the magic was activated the deconstruction was used on the demon king's arm. That's the ability of true magic it releases an aura surrounding Meliodaz that can deconstruct things and he can choose to EE things. The demon kings arm made contact and was destroyed by the true magic aura which was still floating a few meters from Meliodas by the way that is what happened why else did you think the demon king wouldn't just try to grab meliodas again? Did you see Meliodas attack or was he just using the true magic aura? Yes Tyrant Killing is an attack that can deconstruct characters but it needs to be done by a sword attack. What you even said doesn't prove anything. The true magic aura destroys the rods he uses attacks and clones to get close then the passives kick in like the distance is just 1km it wouldn't be difficult then he can use EE. My vote remain for Meliodas and I don't really see any win con for Isshiki so far.

You keep talking to me like I haven't completely watched SDS. I know he didn't want to use true magic before. It wasn't even because of ban, it's coz once he uses it he won't be able to remain on earth any longer.


When ban left he started fighting with demon king, to the extent he finally learnt how to use trillion darts. My simple question is why clash with the DK with a darkness sword? Why use trillion darts to slowly pierce through his body?
We've seen Mel release his aura and energy and destroy a country. Since his aura deconstructs everything then just unleash your energy and deconstruct the demon king. It won't even take more than 2 secs. Yet he still continued to fight him.

In fact I'm not even sure why that is accepted as deconstruction as we don't give it just based on how an ability looks but I'm not going to contest that now since it is accepted.

The crux of the matter is on his profile his aura does not come with deconstruction..
He has only ever used it twice, first time using his true magic and later on against SD. He never used it again against the demon king and against the SD it was clearly a sword attack. Against DK we don't really see what happened.

So in the 2 instances 1 was and attack and the other they didn't show how he did it and subsequently he never did it. So there is zero evidence that he did it with his aura and one evidence of him using an attack.

So yeah there is no evidence of his aura carrying it and and such the rods will enter just fine.

I've not even talked about the glaring problem that is if ishikki decides to warp him away immediately. The speed is 10x faster so Mel wouldn't even be able to react

 

[speedster352]

You keep talking to me like I haven't completely watched SDS. I know he didn't want to use true magic before. It wasn't even because of ban, it's coz once he uses it he won't be able to remain on earth any longer.


When ban left he started fighting with demon king, to the extent he finally learnt how to use trillion darts. My simple question is why clash with the DK with a darkness sword? Why use trillion darts to slowly pierce through his body?
We've seen Mel release his aura and energy and destroy a country. Since his aura deconstructs everything then just unleash your energy and deconstruct the demon king. It won't even take more than 2 secs. Yet he still continued to fight him.

In fact I'm not even sure why that is accepted as deconstruction as we don't give it just based on how an ability looks but I'm not going to contest that now since it is accepted.

The crux of the matter is on his profile his aura does not come with deconstruction..
He has only ever used it twice, first time using his true magic and later on against SD. He never used it again against the demon king and against the SD it was clearly a sword attack. Against DK we don't really see what happened.

So in the 2 instances 1 was and attack and the other they didn't show how he did it and subsequently he never did it. So there is zero evidence that he did it with his aura and one evidence of him using an attack.

So yeah there is no evidence of his aura carrying it and and such the rods will enter just fine.

I've not even talked about the glaring problem that is if ishikki decides to warp him away immediately. The speed is 10x faster so Mel wouldn't even be able to react

Meliodas is a living thing so Isshiki’s shrinking ability will not work on him. Next the portals are not 10x speed. Meliodas is already able to interact with space/portals his magic could just destroy the portals. You can just ignore abilities accepted on the profile. Yes tyrant killing is a sword attack that can deconstruct characters but that is not being argued here. True magic as accepted on the profile can be used to deconstruct things and EE things. The deconstruction energy can be used around Meliodas as seen when he was grabbed by the DK the arm got deconstructed. If you want to say otherwise you would need to make a crt or prove that the rods Ishishi used can resist the energy somehow. The instances you are talking about is in his mindscape which I feel like would just be plot reasons as to why he didn't use his full power or because he couldn't in the mindscape since strength doesn't really matter there as seen with Zeldris beating the DK. The other instances is when he was fighting the DK with his friends why would he use a power that could destroy them as well? Do you mean purgatory the goal was to escape not to the defeat the DK. He technically did both since the DK got scared and he escaped why would he stay back and use his power on the DK when he might have been able to counter it and it would just waste time? Also why else do you think the DK didn't just try to grab Meliodas again if it was just a one-off thing? The energy was still around him. Did you see Meliodas moving his hands or doing an attack? Meliodas clearly activated his power and that energy wrapped around him and destroyed the DK’s arm.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Meliodas is a living thing so Isshiki’s shrinking ability will not work on him.

I never said it would shrink Mel lol. Unless you want to say trillion darts is a living thing?

Next the portals are not 10x speed.

They are. It's literally on his profile.

Meliodas is already able to interact with space/portals his magic could just destroy the portals.

1. He can't react to the warp speed
2. It's a crack in space time and not just a door to some other space , destroying the crack would just widen the crack

You can just ignore abilities accepted on the profile. Yes tyrant killing is a sword attack that can deconstruct characters but that is not being argued here. True magic as accepted on the profile can be used to deconstruct things and EE things. The deconstruction energy can be used around Meliodas as seen when he was grabbed by the DK the arm got deconstructed. If you want to say otherwise you would need to make a crt or prove that the rods Ishishi used can resist the energy somehow. The instances you are talking about is in his mindscape which I feel like would just be plot reasons as to why he didn't use his full power or because he couldn't in the mindscape since strength doesn't really matter there as seen with Zeldris beating the DK. The other instances is when he was fighting the DK with his friends why would he use a power that could destroy them as well? Do you mean purgatory the goal was to escape not to the defeat the DK. He technically did both since the DK got scared and he escaped why would he stay back and use his power on the DK when he might have been able to counter it and it would just waste time? Also why else do you think the DK didn't just try to grab Meliodas again if it was just a one-off thing? The energy was still around him. Did you see Meliodas moving his hands or doing an attack? Meliodas clearly activated his power and that energy wrapped around him and destroyed the DK’s arm.

There is nothing about his aura being accepted there. What is accepted is he has EE but the how is the issue there. We don't see what happened in that instance, all we know is the demon king arm got destroyed, any other claim would require additional evidence which doesn't exist.

The whole plot issue is just cope, why would an author show his character have an ability to erase everything around him with his aura just for him to switch to an extensive fight and never use that erasure ever again?
It's not just in his mind Scape, bring any other instance from that point in the series till present day 4koa that he erased anyone coz I'm pretty sure the author stated he still has true magic

 

[speedster352]

It's not just in his mind Scape, bring any other instance from that point in the series till present day 4koa that he erased anyone coz I'm pretty sure the author stated he still has true magic

In the four knights he still has his strength but not the magic as far as we know. Again his friends was fighting DK Zeldris with him that's why he didn't use true magic form. You can clearly see that he opted to used his demon mark and then assualt mode. You still haven't refuted that fact that his power can emit an energy that can descotruct things and he can wrap that energy around himself. Even in the panel the DK says what is this power that can destroy my arm providing credence to Meliodas’ power to destroy things. For the 4koa Meliodas using tyrant killing on would not work and Arthur would just regenerate. Also how would isshiki know which meliodas is the real one when he uses clones and trillion dark as distractions and all Meliodas needs to do it get closer than the passives kick in then he can use his true magic power on Isshiki.

 

[karo_senpaii]

In the four knights he still has his strength but not the magic as far as we know.

No the author stated he still has his true magic

Again his friends was fighting DK Zeldris with him that's why he didn't use true magic form.

This doesn't make any sense, are you trying to say Mel can't control and restrain his aura so it does affect others?

You can clearly see that he opted to used his demon mark and then assualt mode. You still haven't refuted that fact that his power can emit an energy that can descotruct things and he can wrap that energy around himself.

Refute what? You've provided no evidence that he wraps himself with that aura. The panel doesn't show what happens, all we know is he deconstructed his arm, it could have been an attack but we don't know. He also never did it ever again, it's your job to provide evidence for that

Even in the panel the DK says what is this power that can destroy my arm providing credence to Meliodas’ power to destroy things.

Again I'm not doubting he has the power, but to claim it is aura is just ridiculous. It's clearly just an attack.

For the 4koa Meliodas using tyrant killing on would not work and Arthur would just regenerate.

Regardless of if he would regenerate it's clearly his most potent attack so why not use it ?

Also how would isshiki know which meliodas is the real one when he uses clones and trillion dark as distractions and all Meliodas needs to do it get closer than the passives kick in then he can use his true magic power on Isshiki.

He'd be able to tell from his byakugan, not just that but their power level too.
He won't even be able to attack with his true magic as that would just be shrunk and stored away. His best bet is coating his true magic on his body. Before he can figure out all this he'd be dead though

 

[Richardo908]

Isshiki has shrunk Sasuke sword during combat before
I don't see why he simply can't do the same thing here
Also isshiki sukunahikona is 10x faster than he is. What's stopping him from just immobilizing meliodas then sealing him

Only when Sasuke threw it at him, he never even tried to shrink it while Sasuke was holding it or fighting with it. That's my point. If Meli doesn't throw his sword, which he never does, there is no reason to think Ishiki would try to shrink it.

 

[Richardo908]

Heck isshiki who's thousands of times faster than boruto could not dodge boruto bfr
What's stopping isshiki from just using this,I mean he tried to seal Naruto in another dimension before

 

[speedster352]

No the author stated he still has his true magic

This doesn't make any sense, are you trying to say Mel can't control and restrain his aura so it does affect others?

Refute what? You've provided no evidence that he wraps himself with that aura. The panel doesn't show what happens, all we know is he deconstructed his arm, it could have been an attack but we don't know. He also never did it ever again, it's your job to provide evidence for that

Again I'm not doubting he has the power, but to claim it is aura is just ridiculous. It's clearly just an attack.


Regardless of if he would regenerate it's clearly his most potent attack so why not use it ?

He'd be able to tell from his byakugan, not just that but their power level too.
He won't even be able to attack with his true magic as that would just be shrunk and stored away. His best bet is coating his true magic on his body. Before he can figure out all this he'd be dead though

The thing is that he hasn't showcased his true magic form so we could just say that he cannot use it in the four knights series because if he did use it he wouldn't be able to stay in Britannia with Elizabeth. You would have to prove Meliodas used an attack though all we can see from the panel is that Meliodas is being grabbed tightly and is unable to move then he shouts to Ban to go through the portal to safety then he use his true magic power and the energy that is around his body destroys the demon king's arm. Did you see Meliodas using a named attack or even moving? If you can prove that then I will concede the argument however based on what we can see true magic can be wrapped around the body as an aura that can deconstruct things. Since Meliodas is in his strongest form for this battle he would be in the true magic form and the aura of energy would be active. You would have the prove the rods can bypass the aura and even the true magic form itself. The other instances are just plot like if Meliodas when true magic form wouldn't he just beat DK Zeldris by himself? The whole point was to fight with the sins and not do things by himself and also the DK was in Zeldris’ body he wouldn't want to destroy his own brother in the process. Byakugan cannot see trough clones as seen with Neji and Naruto's shadow clones. When can the byakugan see power levels? Are energies even equalized? even still Meliodas resists information analysis. The point is that the author chose for Meliodas to beat the demon king with help of his friends. The author also chose for Meliodas not to use Tryant killing on Arthur because he could regenerate and it might not even work. The author us the one with the authority to decide what his character can and cannot do.

 

[speedster352]

Heck isshiki who's thousands of times faster than boruto could not dodge boruto bfr
What's stopping isshiki from just using this,I mean he tried to seal Naruto in another dimension before

He would need to get closer and that when Melidoas’ passive effects would kick in then Isshiki would be incapacitated and then destroyed by the Ap gap or the hax from true magic Meliodas.

 

[karo_senpaii]

The thing is that he hasn't showcased his true magic form

True magic is not a form. Demon king mode is

so we could just say that he cannot use it in the four knights series because if he did use it he wouldn't be able to stay in Britannia with Elizabeth.

Again the author says he still has it

You would have to prove Meliodas used an attack though all we can see from the panel is that Meliodas is being grabbed tightly and is unable to move then he shouts to Ban to go through the portal to safety then he use his true magic power and the energy that is around his body destroys the demon king's arm. Did you see Meliodas using a named attack or even moving? If you can prove that then I will concede the argument however based on what we can see true magic can be wrapped around the body as an aura that can deconstruct things. Since Meliodas is in his strongest form for this battle he would be in the true magic form and the aura of energy would be active.

Again you're asking me to prove the negative. It's like telling me "prove God does not exist". You don't prove the negative. You're the one to prove he used is aura, I don't need prove for anything coz we don't know anything that happened. My stance is " I don't know how it happened so I'm not assuming it's his aura".

You would have the prove the rods can bypass the aura and even the true magic form itself. The other instances are just plot like if Meliodas when true magic form wouldn't he just beat DK Zeldris by himself? The whole point was to fight with the sins and not do things by himself and also the DK was in Zeldris’ body he wouldn't want to destroy his own brother in the process. Byakugan cannot see trough clones as seen with Neji and Naruto's shadow clones. When can the byakugan see power levels? Are energies even equalized? even still Meliodas resists information analysis. The point is that the author chose for Meliodas to beat the demon king with help of his friends. The author also chose for Meliodas not to use Tryant killing on Arthur because he could regenerate and it might not even work. The author us the one with the authority to decide what his character can and cannot do.

Again I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making the claim not me..

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Voting meliodas FRA

 

[speedster352]

True magic is not a form. Demon king mode is

Again the author says he still has it

Again you're asking me to prove the negative. It's like telling me "prove God does not exist". You don't prove the negative. You're the one to prove he used is aura, I don't need prove for anything coz we don't know anything that happened. My stance is " I don't know how it happened so I'm not assuming it's his aura".

Again I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making the claim not me..

Do you have a scan proving that the author said Meliodas has his true magic. Because if what your are saying is true then it would be huge inconsistency because he cannot stay in mortal plane if he still has his demon king-level magic. So either he has it but it's staying dormant or he just doesn't have access to it anymore. The scans are on Meliodas’ profile he is clearly shown wrapping his destruction energy around he body to use on the demon kings arm because he could not physically move from the demon king's grasp. He didn't not use a spell or a hand sign because he was not physically able to move he just activated his power and it worked on the demon king's arm. The thing is that when his power is activated the aura wraps around his body and according to SBA he is using the true magic form so the aura should be present. Also that was Meliodas’ emotions that used the true magic power that's why the form was not there when he uses it in the real world he transforms into that form every time so it's safe to assume that is when the deconstruction aura is active.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I'm not sure how many layers ishikki own is but it's either 2 or 3, that's also something that can be overcome by will power, also the Naruto verse fear hax includes madness manipulation type 3 so Mel is in more danger than ishikki

Three layers of fear inducement cannot be overcome by supernatural willpower. Where do these layers attributed to Isshiki come from?

Ishikki rods and doujutsu abilities are 10x faster than his combat speed

Only the shrinking and enlarging of objects are 10 times faster, nothing else.

They can. They are duraneg, they go through the microscopic gaps in all structures and that's how they enter.

Where was it stated that they work like this? Either way, Meliodas would resist it, since his darkness protects him instinctively, and even characters weaker than him can resist Snatch, which consists of ignoring the outside of the body and attacking the inside.

Mel can't sense it, otsusuki have layered resistance to ESP. not even SPSM with all his sensory abilities which are much more than Mel could easily sense them. It took baryon mode

Another thing that is not in the verse profiles: where were these layers accepted? Also, Sasuke could see the rods, so I’m sure they are not that small.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Voting meliodas FRA

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

It's not an ishikki ability, just a general verse ability that no one bothered to add to every profile. His profile is outdated.

This keeps coming up but if the profile is outdated or an ability/resistance isn't on his profile we can't use it. I don't really think it matters why it's not there.

Three layers of fear inducement cannot be overcome by supernatural willpower. Where do these layers attributed to Isshiki come from?

Only the shrinking and enlarging of objects are 10 times faster, nothing else.

Where was it stated that they work like this? Either way, Meliodas would resist it, since his darkness protects him instinctively, and even characters weaker than him can resist Snatch, which consists of ignoring the outside of the body and attacking the inside.

Another thing that is not in the verse profiles: where were these layers accepted? Also, Sasuke could see the rods, so I’m sure they are not that small.

So all these items mentioned here and anything else about Ishiki's resistance to fear hax or layers of ESP resistance don't exist for the sake of this VS match.

I am pretty sure that arguments based on these shouldn't be accepted based on wiki rules. Someone tell me if this is wrong.

If Ishiki is missing abilities you can make a CRT to add them but for now they should be treated as if they don't exist.

 

[Majinere566]

Meliodas fra

 

[karo_senpaii]

Three layers of fear inducement cannot be overcome by supernatural willpower. Where do these layers attributed to Isshiki come from?

Fear manipulation can indeed be overcome by will power besides it doesn't matter, it doesn't stop them from fighting in the first place.

Only the shrinking and enlarging of objects are 10 times faster, nothing else.

It's his doujutsu speed that changed , so everything related to it

Where was it stated that they work like this? Either way, Meliodas would resist it, since his darkness protects him instinctively, and even characters weaker than him can resist Snatch, which consists of ignoring the outside of the body and attacking the inside.

That's how Sasuke described it. The description is also on the profile.
Ignoring the body and attacking inside is just an umbrella term for how a lot of Duraneg works. You'd have to bring evidence that darkness protects on that level because a chakra cloak that protects Naruto from cellular damage from rasenshuriken was still completely ineffective. Also you'd have to explain why you think snatch works the same way as the rodss

Another thing that is not in the verse profiles: where were these layers accepted? Also, Sasuke could see the rods, so I’m sure they are not that small.

Check the otsusuki page, it's also on boruto profile.

teah Sasuke can see it of course . Sarada sharingan can see even viruses so it's not a suprise that Sasuke can see it.

This keeps coming up but if the profile is outdated or an ability/resistance isn't on his profile we can't use it. I don't really think it matters why it's not there.

If it bothers you I can link the CRT

 

[karo_senpaii]

This keeps coming up but if the profile is outdated or an ability/resistance isn't on his profile we can't use it. I don't really think it matters why it's not there.

So all these items mentioned here and anything else about Ishiki's resistance to fear hax or layers of ESP resistance don't exist for the sake of this VS match.

I am pretty sure that arguments based on these shouldn't be accepted based on wiki rules. Someone tell me if this is wrong.

If Ishiki is missing abilities you can make a CRT to add them but for now they should be treated as if they don't exist.

Another thing that is not in the verse profiles: where were these layers accepted? Also, Sasuke could see the rods, so I’m sure they are not that small.

Extrasensory Perception (All Ōtsutsuki can erase their chakra signature, making them undetectable even to Sensory-Type Ninja.[3] This technique was even effective against the likes of Six Paths Sage Mode Naruto, despite his vast array of powerful sensory capabilities.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

If it bothers you I can link the CRT

If there is already an accepted CRT for the abilities but they haven't been added to profiles you can probably add them. Depending on how old the CRT is maybe run that by staff first but you are probably fine if you link the CRT to changes.

My point is for abilities that haven't had a CRT yet or haven't been accepted yet. We can't assume Ishiki would have them.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Meliodas fra

This is Grace 7-2

 

[Trihexa102]

Voting Isshiki FRA.
Meli cannot do anything here.
Lostvayne gets shrunk and isshiki can shrink himself to Dodge anything Meli does, along with his microscopic rods which can targets all of meli's hearts.
Isshiki can also shrinks all of meli ranged attacks, trillion dark? hellblaze?
Daikokuten cubes which null senory abilities as well.

Overall yea Isshiki should take this easily ngl.

 

[Richardo908]

Voting isshiki FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

Can someone drop a TLDR for both sides? I kinda lost track when people started saying Isshiki would get passived by part 1 Kakashi

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Can someone drop a TLDR for both sides? I kinda lost track when people started saying Isshiki would get passived by part 1 Kakashi

Ain't this alr grace? What's the point? Anyways there isn't really much of an argument on the Isshiki side at all, some guy is just literally larping that Isshiki somehow resists layers of hax he's never explicitly stated, or shown to have

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ain't this alr grace? What's the point?

From what I'm reading grace is 12 hours from being over. We've had situations where grace was reached 7:1 for one sided and before it could finish it turned to 8:14 for the other side.

Anyways there isn't really much of an argument on the Isshiki side at all, some guy is just literally larping that Isshiki somehow resists layers of hax he's never explicitly stated, or shown to have

Which hax does Isshiki need to resist which he can't just shrink?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

From what I'm reading grace is 12 hours from being over. We've had situations where grace was reached 7:1 for one sided and before it could finish it turned to 8:14 for the other side.

Then we wait 12 hours

Which hax does Isshiki need to resist which he can't just shrink?

These?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Then we wait 12 hours

Or we continue the discussion in case others want to vote…

These?

From what I'm reading miasma just gets shrunk and that's it.
Isshiki also covers himself in a chakra aura which would mean miasma doesn't even touch him, and the effects seem pretty much centered around affecting biological matter (bodies rotting, people feeling sick and afraid, etc).

Is there anything else to Melodias winning?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

From what I'm reading miasma just gets shrunk and that's it.
Isshiki also covers himself in a chakra aura which would mean miasma doesn't even touch him, and the effects seem pretty much centered around affecting biological matter (bodies rotting, people feeling sick and afraid, etc)

He covers himself in a non layered chakra aura that has never been shown resisting anywhere near Meli's potency, let alone the EE and deconstruction, unless ya'll can find proof of Isshiki resisting this degree of layers this is just NLF

 

[DavidTPPM]

He covers himself in a non layered chakra aura that has never been shown resisting anywhere near Meli's potency,

The aura does need to resist anything. It simply blocks miasma from interacting with Isshikis body.

What is it going to do? Make Isshikis aura afraid and sick? It's not a living biological being so good luck with that.

let alone the EE and deconstruction,

As far as I'm aware those are perfectly shrinkable attacks.

unless ya'll can find proof of Isshiki resisting this degree of layers this is just NLF

It's not NLF because I'm not saying Isshiki resists them. He stops the attacks from even getting to his body.

Although feeling sick and fear manip absolutely can be bypassed through just willpower which Isshiki should have solid enough.