UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Axorandom0]

I bet Giga Queen's GPE would be like 9-A.

23.00723/2 * 9.81 * 1038087.821 = 117,148,691.39 J / 0.028 Tons of TNT.

You’re correct : D

(I should… probably add this to one of the blogs)

 

[Moon_Crasher]

detatchable hands are only 9-B... how sad...

anyways are there any other giga queen calcs that y'all want done in attempts for bigger scaling values in the future

Even if like 0.1 seconds was used for reaction time, it'd only get the detachable hands to 0.75 tons of tnt btw.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

23.00723/2 * 9.81 * 1038087.821 = 117,148,691.39 J / 0.028 Tons of TNT.

You’re correct : D

(I should… probably add this to one of the blogs)

I generally prefer 9.80665 but the difference is so minor that it isn't necessary.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Even if like 0.1 seconds was used for reaction time, it'd only get the detachable hands to 0.75 tons of tnt btw.

0.08 (Peak humans) should be ok to use

 

[Axorandom0]

0.08 (Peak humans) should be ok to use

Is that the timeframe for it traveling the distance to thrash?

 

[Edutyn]

detatchable hands are only 9-B... how sad...

anyways are there any other giga queen calcs that y'all want done in attempts for bigger scaling values in the future

How about this? GQ moves fast enought to make an afterimage (?) of herself.

I think the KE of that would be good

 

[Axorandom0]

How about this? GQ moves fast enought to make an afterimage (?) of herself.

I think the KE of that would be good

Talking about the duplicates during the kicks/drops?

 

[Edutyn]

Talking about the duplicates during the kicks/drops?

Yes

 

[Qurbonboev]

Is that the timeframe for it traveling the distance to thrash?

Yeah, it's timeframe for hands path from Queen to Thrash

 

[Axorandom0]

Yeah, it's timeframe for hands path from Queen to Thrash

very nice

 

[Moon_Crasher]

0.08 (Peak humans) should be ok to use

I've found sources online that validate human reaction time ranging from 0.3 to 0.1 seconds, but where does 0.08 seconds come from anyways? (Also, isn't 0.08 superhuman and 0.1 peak human? I'm pretty sure only peak human is allowed btw idk)

 

[Arceus0x]

I've found sources online that validate human reaction time ranging from 0.3 to 0.1 seconds, but where does 0.08 seconds come from anyways? (Also, isn't 0.08 superhuman and 0.1 peak human? I'm pretty sure only peak human is allowed btw idk)

read up on reaction speed on the wiki

 

[Edutyn]

very nice

Using 0.0032s (transonic reaction) for Susie being faster than soudnwaves in ch1 give Mach 100 & 740.5394 tons. Obviously it's would never be accepted but it gives a funny result

 

[Axorandom0]

I edited it to be 0.1 seconds to match actual peak human reaction speed. Now, instead of being slightly stronger than ball PE, it's a bit lower.

very nice

 

[Moon_Crasher]

read up on reaction speed on the wiki

It says peak human starts at 0.1 seconds and superhuman starts at 0.08 seconds.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I've found sources online that validate human reaction time ranging from 0.3 to 0.1 seconds, but where does 0.08 seconds come from anyways?

Does it come from dividing 1 meter by superhuman speed (12.43 m/s)?

 

[Qurbonboev]

very nice

It turns out, calcs that used 0.033s timeframe was accepted and applied to verse page previously. But idk if it's actually valid or no.
Still wouldn't be bad to have another end.

I edited it to be 0.1 seconds to match actual peak human reaction speed. Now, instead of being slightly stronger than ball PE, it's a bit lower.

Nah. It's completely fine to use 0.08 seconds timeframe(baseline superhuman), as long as there is clear evidence that chars in question are superhuman in speed, and Gang has them

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Does it come from dividing 1 meter by superhuman speed (12.43 m/s)?

Never mind, I found a source right here. It's valid.

 

[Axorandom0]

It turns out, calcs that used 0.033s timeframe was accepted and applied to verse page previously. But idk if it's actually valid or no.
Still wouldn't be bad to have another end.

you know what at this point i'm just gonna make three ends for the calc and leave it to the evaluators to decide which should be used

 

[Qurbonboev]

I edited it to be 0.1 seconds to match actual peak human reaction speed. Now, instead of being slightly stronger than ball PE, it's a bit lower.

Good news. Your recalc of Queen size is invalid, it's unclear how far Statue head is located from our view, but it's clearly further than Statue legs are, thus your method lowballs height of Queen. Just use current accepted height for calcs.

you know what at this point i'm just gonna make three ends for the calc and leave it to the evaluators to decide which should be used

Use 0.08s and 0.033s timeframes.

Also, use 2*S/(t^2) for acceleration

 

[Axorandom0]

very nice

added all three ends. four if you count the og version.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Good news. Your recalc of Queen size is invalid, it's unclear how far Statue head is located from our view, but it's clearly further than Statue legs are, thus your method lowballs height of Queen. Just use current accepted height for calcs.

Isn't Queen's head the same size next to us and inside the Mecha?

 

[Axorandom0]

Isn't Queen's head the same size next to us and inside the Mecha?

it is! i don't think toby thought about perspective...

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Good news. Your recalc of Queen size is invalid, it's unclear how far Statue head is located from our view, but it's clearly further than Statue legs are, thus your method lowballs height of Queen. Just use current accepted height for calcs.

The current accepted height used 170 cm for Kris' height meaning it would still need to be recalced using Kris's accepted height.

 

[Axorandom0]

Also, use 2*S/(t^2) for acceleration

Is this still talking about the detatchable hand launch?

 

[Axorandom0]

it is! i don't think toby thought about perspective...

Proof it doesn't really change

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Is Giga Queen's GPE gonna be added to the blog as a supporting feat, or nuh-uh?

 

[Axorandom0]

Is Giga Queen's GPE gonna be added to the blog as a supporting feat, or nuh-uh?

I forgot to, gimme a moment

edit: donezo : P

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I just realized the Thrash Machine sends the ball back to Queen quite fast.

It takes roughly 32 frames in 60 fps for the ball to reach Queen.

110.5688572/(32/60) = 207.31660725 m/s

There is the possibility that the entirety of Giga Queen throwing the ball and the Thrash Machine knocking it back happens before Giga Queen can even fall down, but it's more likely Queen's mech can just sort of hover.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I just realized the Thrash Machine sends the ball back to Queen quite fast.

It takes roughly 32 frames in 60 fps for the ball to reach Queen.

110.5688572/(32/60) = 207.31660725 m/s

There is the possibility that the entirety of Giga Queen throwing the ball and the Thrash Machine knocking it back happens before Giga Queen can even fall down, but it's more likely Queen's mech can just sort of hover.

0.5*2,964,294.955*207.31660725^2 = 6.37029589E10 joules, which is like 15 tons of tnt.

 

[Axorandom0]

0.5*2,964,294.955*207.31660725^2 = 6.37029589E10 joules, which is like 15 tons of tnt.

i got ~6.5 tons

 

[IDK3465]

So, uh, are the low tiers gonna downscale from snowgrave now or

 

[Moon_Crasher]

i got ~6.5 tons

That seems about right.

 

[Axorandom0]

So, uh, are the low tiers gonna downscale from snowgrave now or

It pretty explicitly shouldn't, right? Berdly is one shot by it

If the thread goes through, the C4 top tiers will be 8-B (as stated), and the C1-3 folk seem to scale to 9-A (tho maybe i missed something), and fodder is 3x less than that value (0.025 Tons)

 

[Moon_Crasher]

So, for the Frisk missile feat, even though the missiles are small, they're also somewhat wide too. I'd imagine that would probably balance it out.
I think the only issue is them being magic and having a weird launch animation.

 

[IDK3465]

It pretty explicitly shouldn't, right? Berdly is one shot by it

If the thread goes through, the C4 top tiers will be 8-B (as stated), and the C1-3 folk seem to scale to 9-A (tho maybe i missed something), and fodder is 3x less than that value (0.025 Tons)

Actually, wasn't it just the speed feats from the battlebox that were deemed too unrealistic/inconsistent? So wouldn't Tenna's Weather Report, and Miss Mizzle's condensation feat still work, or am I missing something?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Is this still talking about the detatchable hand launch?

Mah, forget about this part. Not really applicable to us

 

[Axorandom0]

Actually, wasn't it just the speed feats from the battlebox that were deemed too unrealistic/inconsistent? So wouldn't Tenna's Weather Report, and Miss Mizzle's condensation feat still work, or am I missing something?

Dunno, I’d have to ask

 

[EnderLord8]

Hey, I have a question. On Frisk's page, the section explaining Frisk's type 8 immortality in relation to the player has disappeared... Is that because left it out or was it removed?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It pretty explicitly shouldn't, right? Berdly is one shot by it

If the thread goes through, the C4 top tiers will be 8-B (as stated), and the C1-3 folk seem to scale to 9-A (tho maybe i missed something), and fodder is 3x less than that value (0.025 Tons)

Shadow Crystal Wielders with all their hype when they have to go against a random 2nd Sanctuary Darkner.