Not on a random discussion. My arguments went from a point of what's currently accepted as valid evidence, your personal take on it doesn't matter to this debate in the slightest.
All of these statements talk about power and they all assume a 1:1 linearity
Because we currenly accept them as 1:1 power in the verse page.
Cool strawman. The entire chain you sent
The chain I sent has Kaioken as its reasoning:
you just ignored the argument against that assumption
Your counter-point only addresses the Vegeta line, which proves you don't even know the reasoning behind why we accept it, why would I engage in an argument that doesn't even cover the full set of argumentation, and if I'm already in a position where power = speed is accepted.
Like literally why would I care if you disagree with what the wiki has established?
The entire idea is that power levels aren't meant by Akira to be actual precise differences.
That's not what your link state, he just said he plans something, and does some things on the go.
Meaning he didn't want people to predict the winner solely because of power levels which is why he introduced ki control
If he doesn't want people to predict the winner based on power levels,
that means the power levels were an accurate method of predicting strength.
Accusing me of lying, being obtuse and ignorant
You stated: "
Power levels are stated multiple times by Akira to be extremely inconsistent"
Akira claimed: "I don't plan the power balance, and power levels make fights too predictable"
You actively lied about what he said.
So basically it's accepted as pick and choose
No, it's accepted as "they behave consistently after they are
introduced, and they break if you try to use them when they weren't conceptualized". You want to ignore and pretend all the evidence for consistency doesn't exist in the series where they are relevant, because of downscaling to a series that didn't consider them, and you think you're being reasonable.
I find that really funny. I also find funny the idea that you will debunk what has been debated for decades in this site using the same evidence you have available for yourself. Surely you won't repeat the exact same arguments used by opposition in the past, and get immediately shut down by supporters who have known how to debunk them for almost 10 years.
That's only if the assumption was true
I don't know what's hard to understand that we're debating on standards that are already accepted. I don't need to double-proof my position if it's already accepted as the correct one.
Oh yeah. Sure.
"The gap between Raditz to Farm guy with a shot gun is linear because I say it is" vs "The gap between BP 8000 to 32000 is linear because of an establish technique that proves it" is the same argument, no differences at all. Surely I lied.
Is that stated? Or is that another pick and choose thing?
BP behaves linearly in
every situation without fail after 400 units, where it's canon, it's thought about, and it's used in the story.
It doesn't behave linearly below 400 units because BP didn't exist back then and there was no concern for its consistency.
It's literally a reasonable conclusion drawn from evidence of the show, that you want to discard because you dislike it very very much
OG multipliers are relevant for power levels in Z how exactly
OG multipliers are stated in the manga itself. Piccolo is said to have gotten "several times stronger" than King Piccolo despite not even having twice as much BP, meaning it's definitive proof that below a certain threshold, multipliers are not linear with BP.
