UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Axorandom0]

UT nerfs divorce arc real

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

UT nerfs divorce arc real

Rodrigo is toriel and charmander is asgore ?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Btw I'm pretty sure we don't accept Mach 5 as the minimum speed to catch on fire anymore so Giga Queen's baseball feat needs to be nerfed.

It'd be like 2,500 kph (Mach 2) probably (If we still accept it as actually being on fire).

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Btw I'm pretty sure we don't accept Mach 5 as the minimum speed to catch on fire anymore so Giga Queen's baseball feat needs to be nerfed.

It'd be like 2,500 kph (Mach 2) probably (If we still accept it as actually being on fire).

It's not on fire in the first place, btw. I need this feat gone tomorrow.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I remember trying it a while ago and your damage at LV1 with a stick is just awful, against Undyne I was like barely moving her health bar..

Yeah tried this again and after a whole phase (Turning your SOUL red and green again, or 10 Turns) this is how much full power LV1 attacks could move her health bar.

Meanwhile she only needs 4 attacks to kill you. Very much not equal.

There was a huge damage spike (My damage went from ~24 to 130+) when she completed all her dialogue, suppose that was the killing intent boost cause nothing was forcing me to fight her at that point, since she doesn't turn your SOUL green again.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

It's not on fire in the first place, btw. I need this feat gone tomorrow.

You know it covered in energy right ?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

You know it covered in energy right ?

https://www.spriters-resource.com/media/assets/159/162191.png?updated=1755485141

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Like the fire start after she move her hand

 

[Axorandom0]

Btw I'm pretty sure we don't accept Mach 5 as the minimum speed to catch on fire anymore so Giga Queen's baseball feat needs to be nerfed.

It'd be like 2,500 kph (Mach 2) probably (If we still accept it as actually being on fire).

That + this is gonna set her back to 8-A (170.8 tons if both get accepted)

 

[Axorandom0]

suppose that was the killing intent boost cause nothing was forcing me to fight her at that point

Frisk got tired of her bs

 

[Moon_Crasher]

That + this is gonna set her back to 8-A (170.8 tons if both get accepted)

I still don't really understand why the height recalc was necessary what was wrong with the old pixel scaling measurements in the old Giga Queen height calc, I don't know why it can't just be fixed by using Kris' accepted height instead of 1.7 m?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I have a question for everyone that’s not powerscaling related: who does everyone here want the Roaring Knight to be? Not necessarily who you think it will be based on evidence, just the candidate that would make for the best story in your opinion (of course, for some those two are the same thing).

For me personally, I’d love a Dess Knight where Dess is completely aware of her actions. The assumption from some people seems to be that Dess is possessed or something, but personally I think it’d be more narratively interesting if she knew exactly what she was doing and had a real goal of her own instead of just being a mindless pawn.

 

[LittleGuy99]

I have a question for everyone that’s not powerscaling related: who does everyone here want the Roaring Knight to be? Not necessarily who you think it will be based on evidence, just the candidate that would make for the best story in your opinion (of course, for some those two are the same thing).

For me personally, I’d love a Dess Knight where Dess is completely aware of her actions. The assumption from some people seems to be that Dess is possessed or something, but personally I think it’d be more narratively interesting if she knew exactly what she was doing and had a real goal of her own instead of just being a mindless pawn.

Dess!

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I have a question for everyone that’s not powerscaling related: who does everyone here want the Roaring Knight to be? Not necessarily who you think it will be based on evidence, just the candidate that would make for the best story in your opinion (of course, for some those two are the same thing).

For me personally, I’d love a Dess Knight where Dess is completely aware of her actions. The assumption from some people seems to be that Dess is possessed or something, but personally I think it’d be more narratively interesting if she knew exactly what she was doing and had a real goal of her own instead of just being a mindless pawn.

Carol or Dess would be fine for me.

 

[Breadbear83]

9-A, take it or leave it.

That FTL rating is actually just so bad.

Hey godlycharmander, saw your post in calc evaluations about FTL deltarune being evaluated, is there an ongoing CRT?

And why it's the FTL rating bad? For zappers laser feat thought they not valid cuz they don't follow any of the criteria for lasers feat, besides going on a straight line

It not implied to be hot, it reflects only with the battle board, not some glass, not directly states to be lasers and more

For jackesntein FTL feat idk, something invalidating that the soul is not making real light?

 

[LittleGuy99]

Hey godlycharmander, saw your post in calc evaluations about FTL deltarune being evaluated, is there an ongoing CRT?

And why it's the FTL rating bad? For zappers laser feat thought they not valid cuz they don't follow any of the criteria for lasers feat, besides going on a straight line

It not implied to be hot, it reflects only with the battle board, not some glass, not directly states to be lasers and more

For jackesntein FTL feat idk, something invalidating that the soul is not making real light?

How do you make fake light?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And why it's the FTL rating bad? For zappers laser feat thought they not valid cuz they don't follow any of the criteria for lasers feat, besides going on a straight line

It not implied to be hot, it reflects only with the battle board, not some glass, not directly states to be lasers and more

The Zapper enemy itself is a TV remote, the game files refers to it as a laser, and one of Zapper's hobbies is listed as "laser pointer."

But the biggest thing is that there's two statements hinting that the thing uses infrared rays.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Updated that calc. Results are bit better, almost Wall Level+

Where'd you get that steel pulv value? Everything I find uses 1000j/cc

 

[Axorandom0]

I still don't really understand why the height recalc was necessary what was wrong with the old pixel scaling measurements in the old Giga Queen height calc, I don't know why it can't just be fixed by using Kris' accepted height instead of 1.7 m?

The reason I push for the new one so much is because the old one just sorta assumes that the feet in the lobby are her feet + I think it’s more accurate to use a shot of them right next to her face rather than some shoes that may not be hers. I understand why they use the lobby shoes for measuring, but I’d rather something more concrete.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Where'd you get that steel pulv value? Everything I find uses 1000j/cc

Hmm...

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

The Zapper enemy itself is a TV remote, the game files refers to it as a laser, and one of Zapper's hobbies is listed as "laser pointer."

But the biggest thing is that there's two statements hinting that the thing uses infrared rays.

Thier literal element is also Eletric/Order

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The Zapper enemy itself is a TV remote, the game files refers to it as a laser, and one of Zapper's hobbies is listed as "laser pointer."

But the biggest thing is that there's two statements hinting that the thing uses infrared rays.

Thankfully, magic scaling is incredibly consistent with no problems at all.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Thankfully, magic scaling is incredibly consistent with no problems at all.

Ig electric and sound magic exist, though don't they also contradict Susie and Statue Gerson's cutscene feats?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ig electric and sound magic exist, though don't they also contradict Susie and Statue Gerson's cutscene feats?

Yes. They also contradict each other all the damn time.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I have a question for everyone that’s not powerscaling related: who does everyone here want the Roaring Knight to be? Not necessarily who you think it will be based on evidence, just the candidate that would make for the best story in your opinion (of course, for some those two are the same thing).

For me personally, I’d love a Dess Knight where Dess is completely aware of her actions. The assumption from some people seems to be that Dess is possessed or something, but personally I think it’d be more narratively interesting if she knew exactly what she was doing and had a real goal of her own instead of just being a mindless pawn.

Carol or someone new (just ANYONE but Dess)

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Yes. They also contradict each other all the damn time.

That Not really true at all

Mousewheel can use electricity through kinetic energy.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Yes. They also contradict each other all the damn time.

But anyway, we should theorise what the element system is in-universe because...it already important to the plot itself.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Also time stop for my boy

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

You could get into higher tier via 2^k where k is a cardinal... Not sure why I'm bringing this up for Undertale, but still.

Hey char, about this stuff...what you mean by that ?

 

[Edutyn]

I really thought Gerson's schtick of appearing in 8 places at once because of his speed would get a result better than like Supersonic. Hm

Imagine he did that while in that sound room, lmao

Say hi to the unused bell attack

You can also argue for Hypersonic/High Hypersonic Gerson stealing the items since when the feat happens there is a massive slow down effect

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I know said earlier that Mettaton EX might not be on the same plane/level as the battlebox (to use for measurement), but I think I was actually wrong as the yellow soul mode's bullets interact with him here. It's likely Frisk is just specifically aiming for the heart because it's an exposed weak point rather than Mettaton being too far back.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Edit: you can’t see it on light mode lol

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Edit: you can’t see it on light mode lol

Can we use that on the profiles? Looks wicked

 

[Moon_Crasher]

It's not on fire in the first place, btw. I need this feat gone tomorrow.

Why was it even accepted as being on fire anyways? Last I checked it being on fire wasn't accepted and then like I go over and saw that it suddenly was after like a year or something?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Why was it even accepted as being on fire anyways? Last I checked it being on fire wasn't accepted and then like I go over and saw that it suddenly was after like a year or something?

Here.

Deltarune - General revisions

Gonna make this quick given I got that extra hour, as other CRTs for this verse are dead, so might tackle all of them in one: Spamton and Jevil revisions These 2 profiles are scanless to the point is scary and bad, especially given that they're easily the most iconic characters of DR. Spamton...

vsbattles.com

 

[Axorandom0]

FYI If we don’t accept it as on fire at all for whatever reason then the feat falls to 8-B which is kinda funny but in a cosmic sense

 

[Moon_Crasher]

FYI If we don’t accept it as on fire at all for whatever reason then the feat falls to 8-B which is kinda funny but in a cosmic sense

Even if we do still accept it, Mach 5 isn't accepted as the minimum speed set ablaze anymore.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Even if we do still accept it, Mach 5 isn't accepted as the minimum speed set ablaze anymore.

A giant baseball would probably need to be faster yeah

 

[Axorandom0]

Even if we do still accept it, Mach 5 isn't accepted as the minimum speed set ablaze anymore.

I’ll add a Mach 2ish end then