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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:
because the currently accepted scaling chain is missing a ton of information, probably. like how "rage amps" only draw out one's latent potential further, and gohan's "rage amped" power as a super saiyan 2 is explicitly described as "his full power", "his true powers", the result of his current abilities no longer being held back by his own gentleness, etc., rather than being amplified beyond his limits.
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On my thread I tried to correct it
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Beginning of Super Vegeta vs SSJ3 Vegito be like according to VSBW


Seriously tho

This probably would get some good results considering the Demon Realm is like accepted as 4-A in size (And this guy is weaker than Vegito so it applies to DBZ too)
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Demon Realm World three has a starry sky. That alone would put all the reams together as a feat in the trillion, even quadrillion times the speed of light.

How is that thread still up, what the **** man...
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Demon Realm World three has a starry sky. That alone would put all the reams together as a feat in the trillion, even quadrillion times the speed of light.

How is that thread still up, what the **** man...
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Actually dude, the fact they're ignoring this even though it literally debunks the thread is really saddening. Like, "does it scale to SSJ Fusion Vegito", YES.

IT DOES. Calculate the feat and you will get literally a consistent scaling with only a few multipliers in between.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean that only scales God Goku and above
we need stuff for Frieza saga and up, so like Daima shit or something
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Kami's Spaceship Reaches Jupiter In chapter 244 of the manga, Kami's spaceship reaches Jupiter. Since we don't have a specific time for how long this feat took, we'll use several time ranges.

Low range: Using 10 seconds with the minimum distance between the two planets (588 million km), we get 196.13 times the speed of light (MFTL).

Medium range: Using 5 seconds with the average distance between the two planets (715 million km), we get 476.99 times the speed of light (MFTL).

High range: Using one second with the maximum distance between the two planets (968 million km), we get 3228.9 times the speed of light (MFTL+).
 
CryoTheMayo said:
And nothing points to Base Goku far surpassing Base Vegeta either.
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Does anything refute Goku surpassing Vegeta in their normal forms? As far as reason is concerned, if Goku's base form downscales from his Super Saiyan form to a higher value than base Vegeta scales to, unless the notion is refuted by real evidence, then Goku's base form is simply more powerful than Vegeta's base form.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
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Dragon Ball Z Multiplier Removal

Staff thread permission from @Agnaa so no replies without permissions. A while back, I found out that this blog is linked on the Dragon Ball page, and it’s meant to explain the exact speed numbers for the franchise’s characters, specifically from Dragon Ball Z. The problem is that everything...
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This'll probably spawn some new CRTs proposing earlier MFTL+ feats, or else, Relativistic+ Buu Saga Vegito which is kinda funny
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Yeah but Earth is said to be at the edge of the galaxy, which... is also inconsistent, if they are infinite in size.
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Galaxies aren't infinite in size, but they are infinite in their quantity, not in size. What I really mean is that there are infinitely many galaxies, not galaxies that are infinite in size, understand?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
vsbattles.com

Dragon Ball Z Multiplier Removal

Staff thread permission from @Agnaa so no replies without permissions. A while back, I found out that this blog is linked on the Dragon Ball page, and it’s meant to explain the exact speed numbers for the franchise’s characters, specifically from Dragon Ball Z. The problem is that everything...
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It's amazing how these CRTs are always posted by staff just to get them over with faster, if it were a regular CRT, all DB supporters would be able to comment without any restrictions.
 
However, a good statement alone is not enough to get a high multiplier accepted. The amount of extra evidence one has to provide to get larger multipliers accepted is proportional to the size of the multiplier. For lower multipliers, like things much less than times 100, evidence can take the form of a clear increase in combat strength against priorly equal or superior opponents. For higher multipliers, like times 100 and above, the importance of stronger evidence, such as feats displaying power of a similar magnitude as the value the multiplier points to or the multipliers importance to the plot of the story, and a higher amount of evidence becomes increasingly necessary.
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Did you guys somehow miss this? I think that gathering evidence on why the multipliers are fundamental for the story progression at some parts to the point that without them the story wouldn't make sense is key to refute the thread.
 
That's what @Qawsedf234 was arguing.
Problem is, it do be kinda arbitrary, like what's the narrative reason why SSJ2 is specifically x2 SSJ1? Why's SSJ3 specifically x4 SSJ2?
Ig Kaioken x20 has its big moment but you could replace it with x30 and nothing important would change really.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Problem is, it do be kinda arbitrary, like what's the narrative reason why SSJ2 is specifically x2 SSJ1? Why's SSJ3 specifically x4 SSJ2?
Ig Kaioken x20 has its big moment but you could replace it with x30 and nothing important would change really.
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SSJ1 must be a x50 amp regardless as assuming it's just unquantifiably above KK 20 is just stupid.

Also for SSJ2 and 3 I dunno, ig the Babidi scene can be used?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Saiyans being unable to fight in space really does limit any speed feats they could have.
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I see. Well, I'm fairly sure there's smth yall could find to calc, after all, DB is ******* 30 years old. There gotta be somethin, even tho it's probably not as high as the number game.

The multipliers tho was def not the best choice, could have at least had some other feats calced. Good luck on it
 
Ain't Gohan's SSJ full power comparable to or stronger than pre-Zenkai Cell? So SSJ2 Gohan with less than half of his full power being capable of matching (and winning in the manga? Iirc Vegeta interfering is Anime exclusive) against a post-Zenkai fully charged Kame Hame Ha Cell implies he is at least 2x stronger, doesn't it?
 
StrymULTRA said:
SSJ1 must be a x50 amp regardless as assuming it's just unquantifiably above KK 20 is just stupid.

Also for SSJ2 and 3 I dunno, ig the Babidi scene can be used?
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The stacks are the problem tho. What's the narrative reason as to why Android 17 is x2000 faster than beginning of Z Goku besides Ig shonen power cliffing?
 
Saqphire said:
Have you guys seen your track record when it comes to DBZ downgrades ? Of course it’s a staff thread lmao
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Eh your comment doesn’t really support you entirely here since Dragon Ball itself on this wiki has a notorious track record on both ends. Supporters complaining about staff threads do in more ways than not are justified in doing so. I mean if we take a look back into the past and see the times where Dragon Ball was used as theoretical stepping stones to cause standard changes. Happened more than once, the amount of times it happens makes it difficult to even call coincidence and funnily enough I even was there to witness moderation abuse. I wasn’t going to comment at first but considering you comment “Dragon Ball can do no wrong” on a thread prior to this and you’re commenting this gave me the urge to.

Downgrade threads aren’t toxic without valid reason. The scrutiny all those years have just fuelled people I guess 🤷
 
Pepsimanslover said:
I see. Well, I'm fairly sure there's smth yall could find to calc, after all, DB is ******* 30 years old. There gotta be somethin, even tho it's probably not as high as the number game.
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DBS had a dozen or so MFTL+ feats but someone decided to make it Kai canon
There's Daima at least Ig
 
I’m not reading allat except for these two points
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
I wasn’t going to comment at first but considering you comment “Dragon Ball can do no wrong” on a thread prior to this and you’re commenting this gave me the urge to.
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Because it’s true. Your verse has bypassed like half the standards and scrutiny that literally every other verse is subject to simply because it’s Dragon Ball including this one about multipliers. It’s about time someone tried to curb some of the wank here

Also damn you salty as hell still for my comment, that was a month ago 😭
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Downgrade threads aren’t toxic without valid reason. The scrutiny all those years have just fuelled people I guess 🤷
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Whatever reason you guys would consider ”valid” to be toxic for isn’t really valid, I can guarantee you that because the toxicity would start if a downgrade was even minor as hell and isn’t even malicious. But hey, Dragon Ball is a holy beacon of perfect scaling I guess
 
Saqphire said:
Because it’s true. Your verse has bypassed like half the standards and scrutiny that literally every other verse is subject to simply because it’s Dragon Ball
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It's also infamous for changing entire standards cause it managed to qualify for em, so I think it evens out tbh

Also wasn't the thread that removed the soul hax a regular CRT? It passed pretty smoothly if I recall.
 
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