I’m not 100% certain but this applies to mass that is dispersed from the center point assuming the mass closer to the edge remains static, sort of what happens in cloud dispersal.
Yes. The entire mass of the planet is dispersed from its center point (i.e., the core).
No, the 1/20 only works when total mass disperses from the center towards the edge and it is assumed none of it travels farther from the edge/ the outermost mass remains static that’s why it’s so low, because matter closer to the edge has to move less compared to the mass at the center.
Okay, I'm confused. Why do you think it's expansion exactly? Do you have an actual explanation or is it process of elimination? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the mechanics behind the omnidirectional KE standards, but to me, dispersion kinda just seems to be the naturally correct option; y'know, based off of the example images used by the Kinetic Energy Feats page and the fact that the mass is being scattered/dispersed/spread out.
Toei continuity states Grade 4 is > other grades through secondary material, but for manga Grade 4 is just Grade 1 with no stamina drain to my understanding. There are probably some guidebook statements lying around that could make it a discussion.
Stronger
It's just as strong as Grade 1 with no stamina drain, it's the same principle as Perfected SSJB. ASSJ and Grade 3 are stronger.
It's stronger than Grade 3.
Before grade 1 Karin said that Goku can't compete with Perfect Cell(by reading his ki), who was at that time weaker than Grade 3 Trunks in terms of sheer ki. In Grade 4 Goku's ki was bigger than Trunks's ki in Grade 3 even after traning in ROSAT
Goku was already in Grade 4 while Karin evaluated him. Once you have Grade 4, you cannot just "revert" back to Grade 1.
Likely stronger than both. Goku spent a good chunk of his time in the HTC observing Gohan and the difference between them and Vegeta/Trunks had nothing to do with baseline power, it was simply Grade 4 being superior. When Vegeta explains Grade 4 to Trunks, and I am going off raws here not the Viz translation, he explains that Grade 4 is superior because it removes most of the strain of powering up. Meaning a Grade 4 Super Saiyan can power up to higher levels than the other grades with minimal power loss.
If Korin can sense Goku's full power from inside of him, he can sense Cell's full power as well, just as Krillin had.
In the television anime, Goku says all the same things about Grade 4 that he does in the original series—about how the normal form is the most optimized and the goal is to maximize efficiency over power—and I'm sure you could find a number of different anime-based guides that say the same. I'll have to go through them after work.
Lol, people genuinely think Trunks landing a hit on Cell in Grade 3 would do above Super Saiyan 2 Gohan level Damage. Cell was either lying about Trunks' power being greater than his, or Cell got stronger during the 10 days.
I have posted the topic I discussed here regarding Infinite Zamasu eventually possessing NEP 1 and BDE 1, along with interaction with them.
Adding NEP 1 and BDE 1, along with some interaction additions with them.
I previously discussed this topic with some Dragon Ball fans, and several experienced members agreed with it, so I would like to bring it up here. I may also be absent from the thread for a long time, so if it gets accepted, anyone can apply the changes. The purpose of this thread is to add NEP...vsbattles.com
or he was holding back
Nothing points to them being equal either.
That's a huge leap in logic. Grade 1 has strains as well, and all Grade 4 does is remove it.
Yeah, he clearly was. He was likely talking about his own current output that Trunks surpassed. Goku at half power is stronger.or he was holding back
Every canon and semi-canon source says Super Saiyan 2 is twice as powerful as Super Saiyan, often citing or showing Grade 1. I've yet to see one argument for >x100 SSJ2 that doesn't come from chain scaling with other form like Grade 3
Cuz that's the information we have, and chain scaling doesn't debunk it either as even small PL changes can result in massive AP gaps
I don't think I've ever seen an official source explicitly state anything along the lines of "Super Saiyan 2 is twice as powerful as Grade 1 Super Saiyan", as opposed to the numerous times Super Saiyan 2 is explicitly described as surpassing Super Saiyan in general in all aspects, even directly comparing its power to that of Grade 3 Super Saiyan.
That's because while Ascended Super Saiyan, and Grade 3 Super Saiyan have specific names in both ENG and JP, Grade 1, and Grade 4, are both just referred as "Super Saiyan". Also, which canon source directly compares SSJ2 to Grade 3?
The first citation of Super Saiyan 2 being twice as powerful as Super Saiyan literally uses an image of Grade 1. For all intents and purposes, the evidence supports this side massively.
I don't think that's necessarily required. He was a being of pure will/thoughts before he merged with the universe, so even for that brief moment before fusing with the cosmos he was still an abstract being. I think it would be more reasonable to note on his profile that AE1 would only apply to his will state before he merges with the universe which then no longer applies once he's done so
In fact, in SEG:
While it's never directly compared to Grade 3, it does have many statements or implications that would realistically make it superior to the previous Grades of Super Saiyan:
The form is directly compared to Vegeta's Grade 2, saying the key difference between them is just the muscles swelling up, which implies both have a similar boost in power from their previous states, which may imply Grade 2 is also a 2x multiplier. Meaning Grade 3 would be a 1000x boost, SSJ2 a 2000x boost, and SSJ3 a 8000x boost.
