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Anti-Powerscaling Tour De Force Thread

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Fire can be AP to determine if it can take whatever down in either one blow or continous pressure

And dura neg, while not as good, works on organic matter like wonders
The people on the thread I mentioned were largely in consensus that a single fireball from Character A would instantly kill Character B upon hitting, even though Character B is multiple tiers above Character A, and the OP of the thread directly stated that Character A's fire scales to their AP.
 
The people on the thread I mentioned were largely in consensus that a single fireball from Character A would instantly kill Character B upon hitting, even though Character B is multiple tiers above Character A, and the OP of the thread directly stated that Character A's fire scales to their AP.
Huh, maybe the fire has special stuff I'm not aware about?
 
I just think it leads to some dumb outcomes, like any random Fire Nation soldier burning 90% of Bleach to death in equalized speed and explicit heat resistances turned off. It seems to essentially say that all fire in fiction is as potent as Yamamoto's Zanka no Tachi, which is so obviously not the case that I shouldn't even need to say it.
Nobody is saying that. Heat has value(in temperatures), heat resistance has values. If your heat resistance is higher than heat, you are mostly fine.

I feel like if you asked most writers if their god-tier characters could take a swim in lava, they would say yes.
1. We don't give characters abilities that author think should have. We give them only what they are shown to have
2. Bleach god tiers specifically has very good resistance to fire. If lesser characters don't have such a good resistance, it's Kubo ""fault""
Does that not sound absurd at face value, though? Some random ACTUAL fodder from a relatively weak verse (At least last I checked Avatar wasn't that strong) being able to oneshot MUCH stronger characters?
Some people have strong disgust reaction towards idea of weaker opponent beating much stronger one. Never understood this.
 
I still wouldn't call the hax itself limited. If even fire works, then actual matter manip shouldn't have a 'limit'. Whether or not she needs to be dying, the hax itself still does what it does.
Maybe they meant limited in application and that it can't be spammed by her?
 
Yes. Only other one I know who could have it is Hiei.

Also, I just noticed that Atom Eve has 'limited' Dura Neg. What's that about?
Kai has negation of Invulnerability to fire attacks. Both of them are very specific abilities. Kai wouldn't be able to burn down guys that have higher fire resistance, than heat of his flames. So Bleach high tiers would be safe.

Atom Eve duraneg is limited due to
"However, mental blocks where implanted onto her to give her a subconscious refusal to alter living animal mass". Technically it shouldn't have "limited", and instead it should be just noted as weakness. But who cares about such details, when when everyone would intuitively understand what is exactly problem with her ability based on description alone
 
Kai has negation of Invulnerability to fire attacks. Both of them are very specific abilities. Kai wouldn't be able to burn down guys that have higher fire resistance, than heat of his flames. So Bleach high tiers would be safe.

Atom Eve duraneg is limited due to
"However, mental blocks where implanted onto her to give her a subconscious refusal to alter living animal mass". Technically it shouldn't have "limited", and instead it should be just noted as weakness. But who cares about such details, when when everyone would intuitively understand what is exactly problem with her ability based on description alone
...Uhhhh
You can technically front and backscale every Quincy off of Royd, who stood next to Yamamoto's 15-million-degree 'fire' and was fine.
The people in that thread arguing for Kai were saying that Quilge Opie specifically (And apparently Askin before him) would be burned to death by Kai's apparently 2-3000 degree fire near-instantly.
That is where my frustration comes from. Suddenly treating fire as this all-consuming hax where every single fire manipulator in fiction is somehow able to do what Shigaraki does is...weird.
 
Added a new section of my document. The TL;DR is that I go over how I went about powerscaling. I also debunk the idea that WOG can't be used for scaling because the basis of author authority is that one person has authority to make something true/false about a fictional world. It's section V.3
 
I also debunk the idea that WOG can't be used for scaling because the basis of author authority is that one person has authority to make something true/false about a fictional world.
Bruh, nobody was denying that WOG can be used for scaling. Site only has problems with it, if it's:
  • Outdated
  • Used leading questions
  • Contradicts what was shown directly in piece of fiction
Plus some more edge cases
 
Bruh, nobody was denying that WOG can be used for scaling. Site only has problems with it, if it's:
  • Outdated
Agreed.
  • Used leading questions
Leading question objection doesn't work because giving a report about one's opinions or personal life is seperate from an author exercising their authority to change the set of facts about a fictional world (Canon is the set of facts true to an imagined world) how they please. An author's WOG statement is saying 'This is true'
  • Contradicts what was shown directly in piece of fiction
This is something I agree with. It has to be a contradiction though. Work says X, author says Not-X. If we go with 'uhhh well it wasn't shown so it doesn't count' we have Problems. Starting from the fact that we don't know what a universe looks like, so no universal feats can ever exist (same for anything infinite, can't be shown), that characters planet level or above don't always blow up planets in every fight even when they really should. Then there are franchises like Shin Megami Tensei who don't show things like galaxies blowing up on screen, despite being far more than multiversal in reality.
Plus some more edge cases
explain what those are
 
Leading question objection doesn't work because giving a report about one's opinions or personal life is seperate from an author exercising their authority to change the set of facts about a fictional world (Canon is the set of facts true to an imagined world) how they please. An author's WOG statement is saying 'This is true'
General form of leading questions:
"Question X is asked that requires implied claim Y to be accepted before question X can be answered".
Good example is asking: "Did you stop beating your wife?"
Someone could use them to bombard author with such questions with hope that they would catch author.


explain what those are
For example, anything related to big shows with multiple writers. It should be unacceptable to:
Use WOG from artists, instead of writers
Use WOG from writers on topic of different shows, ones that they didn't work on
 
General form of leading questions:
"Question X is asked that requires implied claim Y to be accepted before question X can be answered".
Good example is asking: "Did you stop beating your wife?"
Someone could use them to bombard author with such questions with hope that they would catch author.
Yeah but that has the same problem I mentioned. An author can literally make anything they want in the fiction true if they say, it is true. Unless it contradicts the fiction itself.
For example, anything related to big shows with multiple writers. It should be unacceptable to:
Use WOG from artists, instead of writers
Use WOG from writers on topic of different shows, ones that they didn't work on
Agree.
 
You have ******* Gunpla not GUNDAM. THAT'S AN IN UNIVERSE TOY.
YOU NEED REAL ******* GUNDAMS
GRANDDADDY
ZETA
THE ONE WITH THE NUCLEAR BOMB
BARBATOS LUPUS REX
EXIA
00 RAISER
00 QUANTA
TURN A
UNICORN
ALL OF THAT
ALL MOBILE SUITS, ALL TIMELINES
JUUUUSTTTTTT so they can fight Godzilla lol

(One of the protagonists is close enough, right)?
ADD XENOGEARS
ADD XENOSAGA
 

(One of the protagonists is close enough, right)?

ONE CHARACTER
FROM BOTH STORIES
YOU KNOW THIS ISN'T ENOUGH
 
Generally, you can make a page for a new character without a content revision thread.
I would rather nuke myself on the moon with a 10 gigaton nuclear bomb than do that
I'm actually horrible at doing anything other than debunking power levels in terms of powerscaling. I finished Xenogears and I couldn't tell you what power level Fei Fong Wong was other than 'He has a giant robot and he punches up giant robots while on foot'.
 
I would rather nuke myself on the moon with a 10 gigaton nuclear bomb than do that
I'm actually horrible at doing anything other than debunking power levels in terms of powerscaling. I finished Xenogears and I couldn't tell you what power level Fei Fong Wong was other than 'He has a giant robot and he punches up giant robots while on foot'.
Ok then.
 
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