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General Godzilla Discussion

There was a debunk I read on Wednesday
I'm frankly not at all interested in non-movie Godzilla scaling but I am very certain that Godzilla In Hell is not Outerversal or even close, even Multiverse level is a stretch to me

Also was the debunk from Fictional Indexing Wiki?
 
Aside from Ultima (& maybe Marvel), who would you give that title to
Well Godzilla Earth destroys a black hole created by the higher dimensional Void Ghidorah so I'd imagine he's incredibly powerful, in those cosmic tiers of power.
 
And where would you scale him?
Anywhere from Low 2-C to Low 1-C
I know the Low 1-C arguments are kind of frowned upon here. The YouTuber KOTM, made the tier 1 args, and his methods were questionable, but me and my friends were able to take his argument and use new sources to make a more coherent argument (which I used in my Godzilla cosmology scale)
 
Anywhere from Low 2-C to Low 1-C
I know the Low 1-C arguments are kind of frowned upon here. The YouTuber KOTM, made the tier 1 args, and his methods were questionable, but me and my friends were able to take his argument and use new sources to make a more coherent argument (which I used in my Godzilla cosmology scale)
Is he where the High 1-C stuff came from?
 
Is he where the High 1-C stuff came from?
sort of
the main argument is supergravity which connects to string theory which has 11 Dimensions. But the Godzillaverse doesn't have anything to support that. When he made the SG arg he had it at 5-D or 6-D but tried implying it could go higher (It doesn't)
 
sort of
the main argument is supergravity which connects to string theory which has 11 Dimensions. But the Godzillaverse doesn't have anything to support that. When he made the SG arg he had it at 5-D or 6-D but tried implying it could go higher (It doesn't)
Do you think he's just 5-D?
 
Do you think he's just 5-D?
I think he can be 6-D, but not from supergravity
Supergravity is only 4-D spatially, in my own scaling I used it along something else to argue that the Toho timeline was 5-D (due to its temporal dimension, so it'd be 4+1=5 or 5-D).
In another part of the Toho cosmology, you can argue 6-D since the multiverse is an uncountable infinite. And there are a few ways Heisei would scale to that cosmology, like chainscaling above DesGhidorah, or down scaling from Ajima and Ajigo (The two gods who created the Toho verse)
 
I think he can be 6-D, but not from supergravity
In another part of the Toho cosmology, you can argue 6-D since the multiverse is an uncountable infinite. And there are a few ways Heisei would scale to that cosmology, like chainscaling above DesGhidorah, or down scaling from Ajima and Ajigo (The two gods who created the Toho verse)
Cool beans cousin
 
Anywhere from Low 2-C to Low 1-C
I know the Low 1-C arguments are kind of frowned upon here. The YouTuber KOTM, made the tier 1 args, and his methods were questionable, but me and my friends were able to take his argument and use new sources to make a more coherent argument (which I used in my Godzilla cosmology scale)
I honestly do not think Heisei Godzilla is Tier 1.
 
I would not necessarily call FIW particularly popular. It is more that newer Godzilla fans here have been bringing up GIH quite a bit this week, and Citrus also shared his debunk blog here.
I tend to notice in a lot of scaling circles, a lot of Madness Combat scalers talk about my FIW pages, since I've been posting all my MC stuff there.
 
I tend to notice in a lot of scaling circles, a lot of Madness Combat scalers talk about my FIW pages, since I've been posting all my MC stuff there.
Well, congratulations on that. It is nice that your work is getting attention in those circles. My point still stands, though. I would not necessarily call FIW itself particularly popular overall.
 
Isn't supergravity only a theoretical thing within physics?
Yes, in our world. It does not seem to he a theory in Godzilla's Heisei era though because Spacegodzilla acts on it. Basically any theory in a ficticious works is not a theory in that world
 
Yes, in our world. It does not seem to he a theory in Godzilla's Heisei era though because Spacegodzilla acts on it. Basically any theory in a ficticious works is not a theory in that world
Ok well how is supergravity portrayed in the Heisei films? I don't remember Spacegodzilla ever destroying any universal sized constructs or realms?
 
Ok well how is supergravity portrayed in the Heisei films? I don't remember Spacegodzilla ever destroying any universal sized constructs or realms?
He can absorb infinite energy from the universe (which was stated to be infinite in size) with his SG, and his powers with the SG transcend physical laws (since 4-D phenomena transcends 3-D obviously).
 
I made that blog, yeah. I think GIH is decently strong but he is so overrated when he's not close to being the strongest Godzilla.
it's a pretty good debunk, well done. Fix a few spelling mistakes and remove the cursing here and there and it is perfect.
 
He can absorb infinite energy from the universe (which was stated to be infinite in size) with his SG, and his powers with the SG transcend physical laws (since 4-D phenomena transcends 3-D obviously).
I remember the scan and it seemed very wack. Iirc it came from the back of a toy box description or something along those lines.
 
I remember the scan and it seemed very wack. Iirc it came from the back of a toy box description or something along those lines.
yeah, it was some ad type thing. There are some guidebook statements about him absorbing "universal energy" and his description from the Godzilla PS4 videogame does just outright say he absorbs infinite energy iirc.
 
and his powers with the SG transcend physical laws (since 4-D phenomena transcends 3-D obviously).
Well "transcending physical laws" feels a bit vague to me and doesn't necessarily imply he can affect things on a scale encompassing all of space and time. Laws aren't neccesarily dimensions.
 
some of my arguments might be viewed as controversial, I don't have any expectations they'd be accepted here nor do I plan on trying to make any CRTs.
 
Well "transcending physical laws" feels a bit vague to me and doesn't necessarily imply he can affect things on a scale encompassing all of space and time. Laws aren't neccesarily dimensions.
I mean, maybe? but I don't argue Supergravity transcends time, because the original concept only dwells within spatial dimensions, not temporal ones. If he can absorb infinite energy from the universe, it should mean to pull into the 4-D range of the universe, but not affect the temporal dimension
 
" In fact, the countless dimensions statement being actually infinite dimensions was made by me, which Arceus0x took and used for VSBW (which I was actually a little proud of making a small contribution like that), even if he didn't properly credit me, it was still cool to see."

I credited the people who gave me the arguments in the CRT. The cosmology blog is basically crediting nobody.
 
" In fact, the countless dimensions statement being actually infinite dimensions was made by me, which Arceus0x took and used for VSBW (which I was actually a little proud of making a small contribution like that), even if he didn't properly credit me, it was still cool to see."

I credited the people who gave me the arguments in the CRT. The cosmology blog is basically crediting nobody.
It's alright manes, I did see that in the threads here, you didn't specifically mention me but it's not a problem
 
I mean, maybe? but I don't argue Supergravity transcends time, because the original concept only dwells within spatial dimensions, not temporal ones. If he can absorb infinite energy from the universe, it should mean to pull into the 4-D range of the universe, but not affect the temporal dimension
Noted.

Tho I think we should also be careful to consider whether "infinite energy" is literal or hyperbolic.
 
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