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Son Goku vs Chester Chomper | Dragon Ball vs Plants vs. Zombies |9-0-0 GRACE

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Speed is equalized​

Ultra Instinct -Sign- (First Awakening) key is used​

Chester has a day to prepare his Spawnables​

Goku's wincon is Chester's first death​

Fight Location: The Front Yard​

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"But I can't bear the thought of innocent lives getting wiped out just because I want to fight the best": Mickey1940, JustANormalLemon, Plants_vs_zombies_fan101, MannyQ361, AppleMaker, Friedoil11, Thunderman101, Mickey1940, OrangeFR​

"Next thing he knew, this dangerously cheesy Chomper had sprouted":​

Incon:​

 
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This is probably a stomp in a way I can't see, but the fact there is a small chance its not is way to funny to me to not at least try
 
Mickey1940 said:
does Chester scale to 6 2C?

if so then Chester just 1 shots
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He scales to 2-C, but I'm not sure what 6 2-C means
Assuming its AP value, I don't know what he scales to. But doesn't the key I used for Goku only scale to 3? Or did I get that wrong?
 
  • Chester's wincons:
    AP/Dura/LS is too big of a gap in his favour
  • Statistics Reduction via Ice-shroom and Goop-shroom gives him an advantage in combat speed
  • Goku doesn't have resistance to Fume-shroom and Goop-shroom's acid manipulation
  • Doom-shroom can reduce Goku to ash and Chomper can eat his entire body, which Goku's mid-low or low-mid regen cannot recover from.
  • Has canon respawn on a level where he can recover from existence erasure.
Goku's wincons:
  • Exceptionally far more skilled
  • Afterimage creation, instinctive action, all acrobatics, stealth mastery & limited perception manipulation makes him difficult to strike.
  • Can blind Chomper
  • Can deduce Chomper's strength via ki sensing and info analysis
Apart from just stalling, Goku has no wincons so this is a stomp
 
StarShooter80 said:
  • Chester's wincons:
    AP/Dura/LS is too big of a gap in his favour
  • Statistics Reduction via Ice-shroom and Goop-shroom gives him an advantage in combat speed
  • Goku doesn't have resistance to Fume-shroom and Goop-shroom's acid manipulation
  • Doom-shroom can reduce Goku to ash and Chomper can eat his entire body, which Goku's mid-low or low-mid regen cannot recover from.
  • Has canon respawn on a level where he can recover from existence erasure.
Goku's wincons:
  • Exceptionally far more skilled
  • Afterimage creation, instinctive action, all acrobatics, stealth mastery & limited perception manipulation makes him difficult to strike.
  • Can blind Chomper
  • Can deduce Chomper's strength via ki sensing and info analysis
Apart from just stalling, Goku has no wincons so this is a stomp
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Chester stomping Goku is far more funny to me than if this fight wasn't a stomp
 
StarShooter80 said:
  • Chester's wincons:
    AP/Dura/LS is too big of a gap in his favour
  • Statistics Reduction via Ice-shroom and Goop-shroom gives him an advantage in combat speed
  • Goku doesn't have resistance to Fume-shroom and Goop-shroom's acid manipulation
  • Doom-shroom can reduce Goku to ash and Chomper can eat his entire body, which Goku's mid-low or low-mid regen cannot recover from.
  • Has canon respawn on a level where he can recover from existence erasure.
Goku's wincons:
  • Exceptionally far more skilled
  • Afterimage creation, instinctive action, all acrobatics, stealth mastery & limited perception manipulation makes him difficult to strike.
  • Can blind Chomper
  • Can deduce Chomper's strength via ki sensing and info analysis
Apart from just stalling, Goku has no wincons so this is a stomp
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Would the fight work better if I swaped Goku to a key where he's at 6 Universes?
 
well

now Goku dodges all of Chester's attacks and none of Chester's debuffs will land ever, not to mention Goku scales significantly above baseline 6 2C since Heavily Suppressed Jiren is 2C very casually with just his aura and Goku can trade blows with him, meaning his presence alone scales to Chester's strongest attacks, much less Goku's actual attacks

the canon respawn is an issue but Goku can just IT him away to BFR potentially, or seal with Mafuba if he has a container, but I don't really know exactly how it works
 
Mickey1940 said:
the canon respawn is an issue but Goku can just IT him away to BFR potentially, or seal with Mafuba if he has a container, but I don't really know exactly how it works
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SBAs is that the equipment in question is just standard, and OP didn't mention the mafuba. Chester also has resistance to BFR
Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't equalized nullify this?
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Afterimage creation, all acrobatics, stealth mastery & limited perception manipulation, and Ultra Instinct's instinctive action makes Goku practically impossible to land a hit on

Goku's ultra instinct isn't permanent though so he'd have to think of something quick to get rid of Chomper before time runs out until he reverts back to normal and exhausted. So far leaning towards Chester Chomper
 
Mickey1940 said:
well that requires krilling himself and then coming back
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Self-respawns are a thing so nah
Mickey1940 said:
could Goku just neck... or I guess stem-chop him to knock him out? he has a significant AP advantage here so he can just knock him out like King Chappa
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Well that depends if Goku can land a hit on him, as per the equalized speed rules:
The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc.
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Meaning that Power Chomper's reactions should be 750x faster the combat speed they're both fighting in. Due to his combat/travel speed being Mach 641.399417, and his reactions being over half the speed of light
 
StarShooter80 said:
Well that depends if Goku can land a hit on him, as per the equalized speed rules:

Meaning that Power Chomper's reactions should be 750x faster the combat speed they're both fighting in. Due to his combat/travel speed being Mach 641.399417, and his reactions being over half the speed of light
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I think the plant profiles are a mess right now

here's the speed page on Super Brainz, who seems to be the start of the scaling chain for most of the characters:

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to Rose's Goatify, Green Shadow's peas and Grass Knuckles' punches. Can travel through cities in seconds. Comparable to Power Chomper) with Relativistic+ reactions (Capable of reacting to light-based attacks from plant cards)

so he has massively hypersonic reactions from reacting to plant heroes with relativistic+ reactions from reacting to light based attacks

so he has mhs reactions with rel+ reactions

how does that make any sense

I think the profiles need to be cleaned up before we make a decision
 
Mickey1940 said:
I think the plant profiles are a mess right now

here's the speed page on Super Brainz, who seems to be the start of the scaling chain for most of the characters:

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react to Rose's Goatify, Green Shadow's peas and Grass Knuckles' punches. Can travel through cities in seconds. Comparable to Power Chomper) with Relativistic+ reactions (Capable of reacting to light-based attacks from plant cards)

so he has massively hypersonic reactions from reacting to plant heroes with relativistic+ reactions from reacting to light based attacks

so he has mhs reactions with rel+ reactions

how does that make any sense

I think the profiles need to be cleaned up before we make a decision
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These are just other notable instances of his speed feats, granted the reactions to goatify, peas and punches should be moved up to the Rela+ section. The main speed feat for MHS scaling to Power Chomper
 
StarShooter80 said:
These are just other notable instances of his speed feats, granted the reactions to goatify, peas and punches should be moved up to the Rela+ section. The main speed feat for MHS scaling to Power Chomper
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well

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Even his regular movements are near lightning speed, with him being able to fight characters that can match said speed) with Relativistic+ reactions (Can keep up with the likes of Super Brainz and Z-Mech in combat)

his movement speed is mhs, while his reactions are relativistic

also how does separating combat and reaction speed even work?

if they can only physically move at MHS speeds, how do they fight at lightspeed? How do they react to things they can't even move fast enough to dodge?

how does that make any sense?
 
Mickey1940 said:
well

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Even his regular movements are near lightning speed, with him being able to fight characters that can match said speed) with Relativistic+ reactions (Can keep up with the likes of Super Brainz and Z-Mech in combat)

his movement speed is mhs, while his reactions are relativistic

also how does separating combat and reaction speed even work?

if they can only physically move at MHS speeds, how do they fight at lightspeed? How do they react to things they can't even move fast enough to dodge?

how does that make any sense?
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The statement is for his movement speed not his overall, other characters can tag his movement speed and keep up with it as well, nothing about it implies all other aspects of his speed is also MHS. If you have a problem with the speed tiers of the verse go make your own CRT about it, this thread isn't for that
 
God i need to add in the accepted intelligence values from this
vsbattles.com

plants vs zombies canon expansion and intelligent/skill upgrades

Chinese games the zombies are able to recall and remember the events of the Chinese games just like how they could recall past games and victories with pvz great wall appearing in PVZ replanted with plants from PVZ2c appearing in the comics like peach for example(it is shown multiple times in...
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But shouldn't chompers healing(by sunflowers) regeneration and stats amplification via sun allow him to outlast goku until he can get an killing blow added in that chomper also does have ways of decreasing gokus speed via using summoning to leave him as a sitting duck
 
Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
God i need to add in the accepted intelligence values from this
vsbattles.com

plants vs zombies canon expansion and intelligent/skill upgrades

Chinese games the zombies are able to recall and remember the events of the Chinese games just like how they could recall past games and victories with pvz great wall appearing in PVZ replanted with plants from PVZ2c appearing in the comics like peach for example(it is shown multiple times in...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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We had a whole thread dedicated to removing them that passed
 
StarShooter80 said:
We had a whole thread dedicated to removing them that passed
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It only removed abd addressed the stuff they wasn't even accepted or wasn't the full reasons for the upgrade like peashooter sunflower and wall nut being able to defeat zomboss strategy wise in pvz 2 or then being comparable to crazy dave strategy wise
 
Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
It only removed abd addressed the stuff they wasn't even accepted or wasn't the full reasons for the upgrade like peashooter sunflower and wall nut being able to defeat zomboss strategy wise in pvz 2 or then being comparable to crazy dave strategy wise
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The CRT was still in response to your own even if it didn’t cover every detail that was there
 
StarShooter80 said:
The CRT was still in response to your own even if it didn’t cover every detail that was there
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Which is why I am stating that it didn’t address the actual reasons for it and only the stuff that either wasn't accepted/badly explained or put in or didn’t even address the actual accepted arguments for the upgrade
 
Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
Which is why I am stating that it didn’t address the actual reasons for it and only the stuff that either wasn't accepted/badly explained or put in or didn’t even address the actual accepted arguments for the upgrade
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And I still covered said arguments when you brought it up in the thread thoroughly and it still passed, also stop derailing this
 
StarShooter80 said:
And I still covered said arguments when you brought it up in the thread thoroughly and it still passed, also stop derailing this
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I will respond to you one last time but it didn't even address these arguments to put it nicely(you didn't even bring up the arguments for the plants scaling towards zomboss and daves strategy intelligence ratings nor did you even respond to my comment in the crt explaining how non of this was the reasons for the extraordinary genius rating)

Like at best you only disproven the non accepted added in super genius ratings which literally wasn't even accepted in the upgrade crt in the first place?
 
Plants_vs_zombies_fan101 said:
I will respond to you one last time but it didn't even address these arguments to put it nicely(you didn't even bring up the arguments for the plants scaling towards zomboss and daves strategy intelligence ratings nor did you even respond to my comment in the crt explaining how non of this was the reasons for the extraordinary genius rating)

Like at best you only disproven the non accepted added in super genius ratings which literally wasn't even accepted in the upgrade crt in the first place?
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I did address those reasons, again you brought them up in that same thread and nothing changed
 
Anyaway, so the conclusion is, Goku keeps dodging with ultra instinct untill he is too tired to keep going and get's eaten by Chester Chomper?
 
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