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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

Randomuser3412 said:
I don't think Toby thought the stats through very much. The Titan one shots the Titan Spawn lol
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Def not the same type of Spawn, like the Mini Boss ones need a whole new Act to Seal away when the ones in BOTH of their battles get destroyed from being in proximity to the SOUL's light.
 
Qurbonboev said:
What does "experiencing the external volume" even mean?
We are fighting Titan, who draws power from fountain, which can make city sized DW.
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City-sized internally. The darkness we experience is barely wall sized.
Qurbonboev said:
As matter of fact if universal sized char throws galaxy we scale this attack AP not to galaxy size, but to Universal sized char AP.
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No we do not.
We simply don't, that's an incorrect statement.

And even if we did, we should not, logically we should not.

Explain to me, if the entire scaling comes from the size alone, why would we index something of lesser size as Universe AP?

I'm really intrigued. I'd prefer if you explained in excruciating detail.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Oh hey, can you show me the feat the stats are contradicting again? Because the Titan scaling to the 7-B rating is not a defined canonical feat, it's a conclusion made from a reasonable assumption.
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Idk obliterating things with a super high DEF stat compared to your ATK seems that.
GodlyCharmander said:
You're making the same mistake you made in the sound and electricity thread.
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Why are you talking as if we are not fixing y'alls nonsense in few months?
GodlyCharmander said:
Undertale is not JoJo
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This is Deltarune, lmfao.

Plus I am using that as a precedent of us not treating in-universe stats as absolute truth if there's evidence on-screen contradicting them.
 
Randomuser3412 said:
He made the stats contradict what's shown
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So you assume the mistake in on the author and not on faulty interpretation? Great.
Randomuser3412 said:
Your side assumes the Titan Spawn can be absorbed by the Titan's attacks, which is an unfounded assumption. My side assumes they can be destroyed, which... they can
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My side assumes darkness can be added to darkness. The very stats you claim to be contradicted are a counter-evidence to them being destroyed by a lesser ATK.

Your side assumes the darkness destroys darkness, which it doesn't.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Idk obliterating things with a super high DEF stat compared to your ATK seems that.
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Not even the same Titan Spawn btw. You're clinging to someone else's argument.

StrymULTRA said:
Why are you talking as if we are not fixing y'alls nonsense in few months?
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Good luck. You lost.

StrymULTRA said:
This is Deltarune, lmfao.

Plus I am using that as a precedent of us not treating in-universe stats as absolute truth if there's evidence on-screen contradicting them.
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Great, there isn't. Move on from using whataboutism that has specific circumstances that do not apply here.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
So you assume the mistake in on the author and not on faulty interpretation? Great.

My side assumes darkness can be added to darkness. The very stats you claim to be contradicted are a counter-evidence to them being destroyed by a lesser ATK.

Your side assumes the darkness destroys darkness, which it doesn't.
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You're missing the forest for the trees here. There's a way better argument you didn't mention
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Def not the same type of Spawn, like the Mini Boss ones need a whole new Act to Seal away when the ones in BOTH of their battles get destroyed from being in proximity to the SOUL's light.
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About the internal stuff, we do also know that the Titan's insides are like really fragile, that's probably important.
StrymULTRA said:
Idk obliterating things with a super high DEF stat compared to your ATK seems that.
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Treating the Spawns as the same probably also kills the Fun Gang's arg for scaling to the Titan, since apparently it can now one-shot lads they struggle with.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
About the internal stuff, we do also know that the Titan's insides are like really fragile, that's probably important.

Treating the Spawns as the same probably also kills the Fun Gang's arg for scaling to the Titan, since apparently it can now one-shot lads they struggle with.
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I should really let you take the stage. Good shit.
 
Hey. Maybe next chapter the Knight will destroy Asgore's castle. Never lose hope, eh?
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Treating the Spawns as the same probably also kills the Fun Gang's arg for scaling to the Titan, since apparently it can now one-shot lads they struggle with.
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What's the next step down from the Titan Spawn anyway? The big water spirit that has like 20 atk and def?
 
Qurbonboev said:
Only thing that matters
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Loss is a part of life
 
Qurbonboev said:
Only thing that matters
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If that energy is externalized, you could not claim it has the same energy.


Practical example:

Giga Queen throws the gigantic tennis ball through a Great Door, towards the light world. Once that attack gets externalized, would that attack keep its kinetic energy and destroy an entire city block? Hardly, it would just be a mildly fast normal tennis ball.
That's the analogy.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Giga Queen throws the gigantic tennis ball through a Great Door, towards the light world. Once that attack gets externalized, would that attack keep its kinetic energy and destroy an entire city block? Hardly, it would just be a mildly fast normal tennis ball.
That's the analogy.
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New way for Darkners to interact with the Light World discovered‼️⁉️
 
GodlyCharmander said:
If that energy is externalized, you could not claim it has the same energy.
Practical example:
Giga Queen throws the gigantic tennis ball through a Great Door, towards the light world. Once that attack gets externalized, would that attack keep its kinetic energy and destroy an entire city block? Hardly, it would just be a mildly fast normal tennis ball.
That's the analogy.
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It will turn into normal tennis ball, cus it no longer exist in the World that supports it's existence.
If it was launched towards another Dark World, it would retain it's shape in it
 
Qurbonboev said:
It will turn into normal tennis ball, cus it no longer exist in the World that supports it's existence.
If it was launched towards another Dark World, it would retain it's shape in it
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I disagree. This assumes both Dark Worlds are operating on the same scale of reality and volume and that's not true. The Titan is not the size of a city.
 
Qurbonboev said:
Hold on for a second.

I was sure that Titans are considered 7-B not because they are city sized, but cus they are Dark Fountains, and Dark Fountains can do 7-B reality warping (while they are not that big), which translates to Titan AP.
Is this right?
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That's worse, Deltarune is not currently accepted for UES, iirc.
 
Randomuser3412 said:
Poor thing would have to have some pretty messed up proportions to be taller than 200m
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Hilarious to imagine.

Realistically though Titan (relatively) small head is probably just due to requirement to fit it into screen. Like, if it was as big as in the trailer, it would just not fit in the screen.
 
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