Ad infinitum vs Countless layers

[RubyVeronica]

Are both same?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Ad infinitum should be higher

 

[AlexSamDen]

Ad infinitum should be higher

Not necessarily tho

Ad-infinitum means that something constantly increases. It can be "1 layer per day", so with even a year of time, it's just 365

Countless, on the other hand, is just a random big number. Usually upwards of a billion


So it depends on portrayal and how long ago the "Ad-infinitum" started

 

[Thermor]

Not necessarily tho

Ad-infinitum means that something constantly increases. It can be "1 later per day", so with even a year of time, it's just 365

Countless, on the other hand, is just a random big number. Usually upwards of a billion


So it depends on portrayal and how long ago the "Ad-infinitum" started

I'm pretty sure we just handle countless the same amount as 1000 by default. Similar to how countless universes just counted being baseline 2-B (1000).

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Not necessarily tho

Ad-infinitum means that something constantly increases. It can be "1 layer per day", so with even a year of time, it's just 365

Countless, on the other hand, is just a random big number. Usually upwards of a billion


So it depends on portrayal and how long ago the "Ad-infinitum" started

That's overanalyzing
the default meaning of ad infinitum is without end

 

[AlexSamDen]

That's overanalyzing
the default meaning of ad infinitum is without end

The default meaning is "to infinity"

Meaning that it advances without end

However the starting point is not set within the phrase

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The default meaning is "to infinity"

Meaning that it advances without end

However the starting point is not set within the phrase

When you say terms like.
"His layers extend ad infinitum."
You don't mean he starts from 1. This means the resistance goes on without end. In other words, his layer is without end
In a different way, when you say
"It will go on ad infinitum."
That something will go on endlessly. In a present Progressive sense. meaning this one has a starting point

The Question is. Ad infinitum layers vs Countless layers. Meaning there is no present progressive tense, there is no start point. It already happened

You're being unnecessarily pedantic with your interpretation, disregarding common sense

 

[AlexSamDen]

When you say terms like.
"His layers extend ad infinitum."
You don't mean he starts from 1. This means the resistance goes on without end. In other words, his layer is without end

First off - that's not a default wording of the layers. We go off profile formulation.
If it's just a plain "ad infinitum layers", without "extend" that presupposes a partial finish of a process, this does mean that there was a starting point

And "without end" is only so long as the interger of the function keeps increasing, in the most common case - time
So the passage of time is indeed relevant to the discussion

The Question is. Ad infinitum layers vs Countless layers. Meaning there is no present progressive tense, there is no start point. It already happened

"Ad infinitum" cannot be "already happened", the very definition of the term is continuous progression

You're being unnecessarily pedantic with your interpretation, disregarding common sense

The common sense here is to evaluate most common examples of both cases

The very simple and known analogy for "ad infinitum vs countless" is the "a million dollars now or a cent that doubles every day"

The "million" clearly represents "countless"
And "doubles every day" represents "ad infinitum". Because it grows towards infinity with the passage of time

When comparing the 2, you have to account for the amount of time the cent is allowed to grow. If it's more than around 25 days - the cent is better
If it's less - the million is better


Same is here, we have to consider narrative portrayal and timelines of the key we take the character in to properly evaluate superiority


In a sense, "ad infinitum" is the same as "higher overtime", it doesn't pertain to any significant benefits without specification

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

What part of
The person is asking for the amount which is higher.
Ad Infinitum, or Countless, you come in here adding your own context for Ad Infinitum
then you come in here adding your own context that does not exist in the question

When the idea comes when speaking about an amount. Ad infinitum always points to endless or infinite

If you like being correct that much, then sure thing. I won't argue

 

[Tanin_iver]

Are both same?

No, countless means a big and unspecified number, but it is still static.

Ad-infinitum means the layers are meant to be increasing continuously till infinity albeit not quite infinite or never will be.
It is meant to be dynamic.

@AlexSamDen kinda describes it well too.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Ad Infinitum, or Countless, you come in here adding your own context for Ad Infinitum
then you come in here adding your own context that does not exist in the question

he's just stating the definition

Ad infinitum is a Latin phrase meaning "to infinity" or "forevermore".
In context, it usually means "continue forever, without limit" and this can be used to describe a non-terminating process, a non-terminating repeating process, or a set of instructions to be repeated "forever," among other uses. It may also be used in a manner similar to the Latin phrase et cetera to denote written words or a concept that continues for a lengthy period beyond what is shown. Examples include:

• "The sequence 1, 2, 3, ... continues ad infinitum."
• "The perimeter of a fractal may be iteratively drawn ad infinitum.""

"To infinity" means that the process is going towards infinity, but not already there. If I said I am "going to do X" then that means I have not already done "X". As such, "Ad infinitum" means "continuing forever without stopping" but not necessarily "already infinite"

Kinda like the difference between "infinitely expanding" and "infinitely expansive"

 

[Fixxed]

This is interesting

I think an ad-infinitum layers should be higher than any finite number (well i think it should be a fixed infinite by default). In calculus, if we use limit, an infinitely ever increasing number are equal to a fixed number (1,9999... = 2)

commonly we can say ad-infinitum are just something that going to infinity, it can be just 1000 or 100 in a point but it will keep going endlessly

The problem is, this is about fiction. We doesnt really have a base measurement for say how many layers it have currently. If the scan say 1 layer per 1 day, are we will use day in the verse or our irl day to count? If we use the verse's day, how we count the day if the fiction already finish? If we use our irl day, bruh it will be not accurate

The other problem is, how are we going to count layers if the author doesn't write the time interval for the layers to increase? So many verse just write an ad-infinitum layers and not explain further

So i think ad-infinitum layers are different and higher than an countless or any finite number by default

 

[Vietthai96]

Ad-infinitum is more of a process, not a number

So i think ad-infinitum layers are different and higher than an countless or any finite number by default

Ad-infinitum is still within finite number

 

[Fixxed]

Ad-infinitum is still within finite number

If you can count that. If you cant, it cannot be lower than any finite number

 

[Vietthai96]

If you can count that. If you cant, it cannot be lower than any finite number

Dude, Ad-infinitum is a process of going to infinity without reaching true infinity, of course it is the largest but still finite, also it isn't a number for you to even count or measure

 

[Robo432343]

Countless layers mean you can’t really quantify it because there’s just so many layers

Destiny verse has countless layers for this reason

 

[Fixxed]

Dude, Ad-infinitum is a process of going to infinity without reaching true infinity, of course it is the largest but still finite, also it isn't a number for you to even count or measure

Well that what i think previously, large than any finite but still smaller than infinite

But the problem is, there are no such thing as largest finite nor a thing between finite and infinite

Yeah it not a number, but the layers it produce is. It mean sequence of digits repeat forever