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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Azertyhuuh said:
There is no distance or anything at all..

All of them are four-dimensional structures and are equal. We are not talking about structures of different dimensionality, such as a difference between a 4D structure and a 5D structure, where you could argue that the distance is indeterminate or that multipliers should not be applied. In that case, I would understand the argument.

Let’s assume your power is 20, and with that power you can destroy one planet. Then your power becomes 40, and naturally you would be able to destroy two planets, and so on. This is what is called a logical, real-world scaling balance. You cannot place 50 kilograms on one side of a scale and 50 kilograms on the other and expect it to tilt—because that is impossible. This is the principle of equilibrium in everything.
If a character with power 50 can destroy, for example, one 4D structure, then if they reach 100 they should be able to destroy two universes, or possess power equivalent to two universes combined (since both are 4D, there is no strange gap or distance between them anyway).

Don’t you find this strange or even somewhat funny?

Goku in the final saga—I think the Buu saga, or I forgot its name—was at Tier 2-C, and he was already in Super Saiyan 3 before the events of Super. In Super, his power multiplied billions of times to the point where even the weakest characters now, like Krillin or Goten, could defeat all Z-era characters.

So how does his power multiply billions of times over 2-C, while he still operates within six universes?
The Angels are across six universes, the Gods are across six universes, the Grand Priest himself is across six universes, and Goku and the rest are also across six universes. Everyone is within the same six universes, and the weakest angel can erase them all with a finger snap.
The Grand Priest can easily defeat all angels, gods, and all characters effortlessly, yet he is still within six universes. This is something that does not even make logical or rational sense. Even here, Zamasu Infinite is treated as stronger than the Grand Priest, which directly contradicts Dragon Ball itself, which states that the Grand Priest is the second strongest character.

Frankly, there are many errors in these classifications. Everyone should at least be Tier 2-B, and the Grand Priest should be 1-C based on being the second strongest character in Dragon Ball. Placing Zamasu above the Grand Priest is a direct contradiction of Dragon Ball itself and the author’s statements.
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That was my thinking, which is why I was asking
 
Multipliers are soft fanon scaling, nothing ever cleanly put their forms that many billions of times above the baseline of 1 macrocosm to where you could argue it makes no sense story wise for them to only be 6 times Multiversal.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
There is no distance or anything at all..

All of them are four-dimensional structures and are equal. We are not talking about structures of different dimensionality, such as a difference between a 4D structure and a 5D structure, where you could argue that the distance is indeterminate or that multipliers should not be applied. In that case, I would understand the argument.

Let’s assume your power is 20, and with that power you can destroy one planet. Then your power becomes 40, and naturally you would be able to destroy two planets, and so on. This is what is called a logical, real-world scaling balance. You cannot place 50 kilograms on one side of a scale and 50 kilograms on the other and expect it to tilt—because that is impossible. This is the principle of equilibrium in everything.
If a character with power 50 can destroy, for example, one 4D structure, then if they reach 100 they should be able to destroy two universes, or possess power equivalent to two universes combined (since both are 4D, there is no strange gap or distance between them anyway).

Don’t you find this strange or even somewhat funny?

Goku in the final saga—I think the Buu saga, or I forgot its name—was at Tier 2-C, and he was already in Super Saiyan 3 before the events of Super. In Super, his power multiplied billions of times to the point where even the weakest characters now, like Krillin or Goten, could defeat all Z-era characters.

So how does his power multiply billions of times over 2-C, while he still operates within six universes?
The Angels are across six universes, the Gods are across six universes, the Grand Priest himself is across six universes, and Goku and the rest are also across six universes. Everyone is within the same six universes, and the weakest angel can erase them all with a finger snap.
The Grand Priest can easily defeat all angels, gods, and all characters effortlessly, yet he is still within six universes. This is something that does not even make logical or rational sense. Even here, Zamasu Infinite is treated as stronger than the Grand Priest, which directly contradicts Dragon Ball itself, which states that the Grand Priest is the second strongest character.

Frankly, there are many errors in these classifications. Everyone should at least be Tier 2-B, and the Grand Priest should be 1-C based on being the second strongest character in Dragon Ball. Placing Zamasu above the Grand Priest is a direct contradiction of Dragon Ball itself and the author’s statements.
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Is this ragebait
 
Multipliers doesnt make you Infinite X Infinite superior. If you want to go 3 Uni 2-C to 4 Uni 2-C, then you need to do a 1 another Infinite Space-Time Continium feat. 2-C (7 Universes) is Infinitely stronger than 2-C (6 Universes). DB Multipliers is not Infinite, they are countable numbers
 
We need math proof of linear increases in power granting increase of power for hyper volumes.
You can’t just use addition.

Increasing your power 2 fold for example won’t even make you strong enough to bust a sphere 2x the radius even if you can bust a spherical object half the radius of it.
 
Breadbear83 said:
Does anyone else know if there are more profiles with wrong speed tiering links besides DBS manga Goku?: https://vsbattles.com/threads/wrong...-bog-goku-and-possibly-other-profiles.190843/
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This is due to there being no updated speed blog for the Super manga. So none of the Super manga characters, to my recollection, have updated Speed ratings. Another big problem is, for example, that Post-BoG Goku was changed to (4-B, likely 2-C) due to Beyond God being heavily contested. Which would, in itself, dramatically alter the speed ratings and, I suppose, require two different speed ratings.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
This is due to there being no updated speed blog for the Super manga. So none of the Super manga characters, to my recollection, have updated Speed ratings. Another big problem is, for example, that Post-BoG Goku was changed to (4-B, likely 2-C) due to Beyond God being heavily contested. Which would, in itself, dramatically alter the speed ratings and, I suppose, require two different speed ratings.
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I suppose I agree with your assessment.
 
Tuxidoe_Redo said:
Why time scroll isn't considered plot manip?
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IIRC it was tried for ages ago and I think it’s extremely blatant but I’m pretty sure it was just dismissed as being causality manipulation shenanigans if my memory serves me right. We probably might get more extrapolation in XV3 and if we do I think it’d be undeniable since it has a strong basis as is.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
IIRC it was tried for ages ago and I think it’s extremely blatant but I’m pretty sure it was just dismissed as being causality manipulation shenanigans if my memory serves me right. We probably might get more extrapolation in XV3 and if we do I think it’d be undeniable since it has a strong basis as is.
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Do you still have the thread when its proposed
 
Tuxidoe_Redo said:
Do you still have the thread when its proposed
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vsbattles.com

Extremely, Very Normal DBXV & Heroes additions

Finally after such a long time, a Dragon Ball CRT from me I. Character, Item Additions: Robelu will get a new key for Ultra God Mission, she has Dark Factor from Dark King Demigra now, She also will get Time Power because she can use Time Rail which is a skill belong to Time Power Universe...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
vsbattles.com

Extremely, Very Normal DBXV & Heroes additions

Finally after such a long time, a Dragon Ball CRT from me I. Character, Item Additions: Robelu will get a new key for Ultra God Mission, she has Dark Factor from Dark King Demigra now, She also will get Time Power because she can use Time Rail which is a skill belong to Time Power Universe...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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That's 3 years ago, I think it can be reargued
 
Tuxidoe_Redo said:
Do you guys already have a counter argument to the staff in mind
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I don’t have any idea what’s going on actually. I think most people are just waiting for the final Xenoverse 2 DLC to give us bits and bobs on Fu mainly IG Goku and FW. I don’t know anything beyond that
 
CryoTheMayo said:
This is due to there being no updated speed blog for the Super manga. So none of the Super manga characters, to my recollection, have updated Speed ratings. Another big problem is, for example, that Post-BoG Goku was changed to (4-B, likely 2-C) due to Beyond God being heavily contested. Which would, in itself, dramatically alter the speed ratings and, I suppose, require two different speed ratings.
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From what I see in DBS manga Goku profile, future trunks arc and later keys have 2C without god forms, by saying "far higher with god forms", that only applies to Golden freeza/U6 tournament key (unless it's a mistake)

So the profile says that besides AP, logically base Goku from future trunks arc and later scales to at least his past God form being stronger and faster than SSJ3 vegetto, a 160000x multiplier in speed too

Even then, it's a 2,000,000x times gap from the 2 speed blogs saying kid Buu fight Goku is 1080 c or 2,160,000,000 c

Is a DBS manga speed blog/CRT planned or y'all busy with other CRTs?
 
Breadbear83 said:
From what I see in DBS manga Goku profile, future trunks arc and later keys have 2C without god forms, by saying "far higher with god forms", that only applies to Golden freeza/U6 tournament key (unless it's a mistake)

So the profile says that besides AP, logically base Goku from future trunks arc and later scales to at least his past God form being stronger and faster than SSJ3 vegetto, a 160000x multiplier in speed too
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The point I am raising is that, technically, there would be two speed values. An outright one and a likely one. One for Goku scaling above Super Buu and one for Goku scaling above Super Saiyan God. The 'likely' key is for him scaling above God. And then you would scale up from those two baseline values.
Breadbear83 said:
Is a DBS manga speed blog/CRT planned or y'all busy with other CRTs?
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I don't really have the time to do it right now personally.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Where the dimension was stated to be universal in size?
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According to the official Toei website, Goku was fighting in a dimension that extended to the very edge of the universe



闘いの場は宇宙にまで広がり=The battlefield expanded into space

宇宙の果てまで = Going all the way to the ends of the universe

第 199 話　逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波 - ドラゴンボールZ - 作品ラインナップ - 東映アニメーション

第 199 話　逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波の作品紹介
lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
According to the official Toei website, Goku was fighting in a dimension that extended to the very edge of the universe



闘いの場は宇宙にまで広がり=The battlefield expanded into space

宇宙の果てまで = Going all the way to the ends of the universe

第 199 話　逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波 - ドラゴンボールZ - 作品ラインナップ - 東映アニメーション

第 199 話　逃すな勝利!! 決めろ超速かめはめ波の作品紹介
lineup.toei-anim.co.jp
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Hyperbole and fallacies 😂
 
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