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Adding NEP 1 to the gods; NEP 2 to the End; AC4 and nonexistence erasure (Nature Type 1) to Yogiri—along with all aspects.

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Alright, regarding Type 5 Acausality, this single scan is insufficient. Simply stating '' this is beyond causality'' is far too vague. Furthermore, a character might just resist a temporal paradox, which can make it seem like they are 'beyond causality' it all depends on the context. Therefore, it is necessary to define what 'being beyond causality' actually implies in this specific case. Besides, the character making this statement here isn't credible; he is just someone who is terrified, nothing more. Type 5 Acausality implies total immutability, similar to Tier 0 characters, meaning these entities cannot undergo any change, and any normal interaction with them is impossible. On the other hand, I agree with Type 4 Acausality, given that he operates under an irregular system of cause and effect, and the scan mentioning he is 'beyond causality' would actually support Type 4.
As for Type 2 NEP for Yogiri's True Form, it is necessary to prove a binary absence meaning he is neither existent (1) nor non-existent (0). The evidence presented here only shows that 'nothingness' is Yogiri's True Form, which corresponds to Type 1 NEP for his True Form.
Regarding Type 1 NEP with all the aspects of the gods, we need to define the nature of 'death' here. Does the 'death' being referred to equate to a total non-existence, as in being devoid of all aspects? I also think the argument that UEG can exist in the Sea even if she is erased from history is vague. There is no proof that history is a more fundamental aspect than the concept or the plot and besides, history ≠ plot. I am remaining neutral on this until more evidence or further explanations are provided.
 
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SkyBlade6635 said:
Alright, regarding Type 5 Acausality, this single scan is insufficient. Simply stating '' this is beyond causality'' is far too vague. Furthermore, a character might just resist a temporal paradox, which can make it seem like they are 'beyond causality' it all depends on the context. Therefore, it is necessary to define what 'being beyond causality' actually implies in this specific case. Besides, the character making this statement here isn't credible; he is just someone who is terrified, nothing more. Type 5 Acausality implies total immutability, similar to Tier 0 characters, meaning these entities cannot undergo any change, and any normal interaction with them is impossible. On the other hand, I agree with Type 4 Acausality, given that he operates under an irregular system of cause and effect, and the scan mentioning he is 'beyond causality' would actually support Type 4.
As for Type 2 NEP for Yogiri's True Form, it is necessary to prove a binary absence meaning he is neither existent (1) nor non-existent (0). The evidence presented here only shows that 'nothingness' is Yogiri's True Form, which corresponds to Type 1 NEP for his True Form.
Regarding Type 1 NEP with all the aspects of the gods, we need to define the nature of 'death' here. Does the 'death' being referred to equate to a total non-existence, as in being devoid of all aspects? I also think the argument that UEG can exist in the Sea even if she is erased from history is vague. There is no proof that history is a more fundamental aspect than the concept or the plot and besides, history ≠ plot. I am remaining neutral on this until more evidence or further explanations are provided.
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since when bro had character development 😭🤔. I remember you in past arguing with similar things.
 
SkyBlade6635 said:
Alright, regarding Type 5 Acausality, this single scan is insufficient. Simply stating '' this is beyond causality'' is far too vague. Furthermore, a character might just resist a temporal paradox, which can make it seem like they are 'beyond causality' it all depends on the context. Therefore, it is necessary to define what 'being beyond causality' actually implies in this specific case. Besides, the character making this statement here isn't credible; he is just someone who is terrified, nothing more. Type 5 Acausality implies total immutability, similar to Tier 0 characters, meaning these entities cannot undergo any change, and any normal interaction with them is impossible. On the other hand, I agree with Type 4 Acausality, given that he operates under an irregular system of cause and effect, and the scan mentioning he is 'beyond causality' would actually support Type 4.
As for Type 2 NEP for Yogiri's True Form, it is necessary to prove a binary absence meaning he is neither existent (1) nor non-existent (0). The evidence presented here only shows that 'nothingness' is Yogiri's True Form, which corresponds to Type 1 NEP for his True Form.
Regarding Type 1 NEP with all the aspects of the gods, we need to define the nature of 'death' here. Does the 'death' being referred to equate to a total non-existence, as in being devoid of all aspects? I also think the argument that UEG can exist in the Sea even if she is erased from history is vague. There is no proof that history is a more fundamental aspect than the concept or the plot and besides, history ≠ plot. I am remaining neutral on this until more evidence or further explanations are provided.
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I already removed Type 5 acausality from the thread yesterday anyway.

Regarding NEP 2 for Yogiri, the End transcends the binary of existence and non-existence, as I explained previously. The Sea of Darkness has a Type 1 NEP nature because it is a void where nothing exists, whereas the End goes beyond the Sea of Darkness and beyond existence as a whole. There is nothing beyond it; it is the end of everything—the end of both existence and non-existence itself. It is the end of all things, and the only thing that remains in the end is the End itself, because it is the End, and the End does not allow the existence of anything whatsoever. For this reason, the End is still currently qualified for NEP 2, as it transcends the existence/non-existence binary and represents the termination of both simultaneously.

Secondly, regarding the gods possessing NEP 1, I need to correct your understanding. A character does not need to be completely absent in all aspects in order to qualify for NEP 1. It is sufficient for them to lack at least one fundamental aspect—such as a soul-less stone or other essential components like soul, body, concept, etc. Only one of these is required. In the case of the gods, they currently possess high divine regeneration, as shown in their profile. This means they are able to persist in a world even after their soul, mind, body, and history have been destroyed. This makes the gods also qualified for NEP 1, based on the aspects they fulfill.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I already removed Type 5 acausality from the thread yesterday anyway.

Regarding NEP 2 for Yogiri, the End transcends the binary of existence and non-existence, as I explained previously. The Sea of Darkness has a Type 1 NEP nature because it is a void where nothing exists, whereas the End goes beyond the Sea of Darkness and beyond existence as a whole. There is nothing beyond it; it is the end of everything—the end of both existence and non-existence itself. It is the end of all things, and the only thing that remains in the end is the End itself, because it is the End, and the End does not allow the existence of anything whatsoever. For this reason, the End is still currently qualified for NEP 2, as it transcends the existence/non-existence binary and represents the termination of both simultaneously.

Secondly, regarding the gods possessing NEP 1, I need to correct your understanding. A character does not need to be completely absent in all aspects in order to qualify for NEP 1. It is sufficient for them to lack at least one fundamental aspect—such as a soul-less stone or other essential components like soul, body, concept, etc. Only one of these is required. In the case of the gods, they currently possess high divine regeneration, as shown in their profile. This means they are able to persist in a world even after their soul, mind, body, and history have been destroyed. This makes the gods also qualified for NEP 1, based on the aspects they fulfill.
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Yes, regarding Type 1 NEP for the gods, you need to be precise. What type of aspect are you suggesting here?
As for Type 2 NEP for Yogiri, the Sea of Darkness is not a non-existent place but rather a void—and void ≠nothingness. As I mentioned, you have to prove that Yogiri possesses a binary absence here. The only evidence we have is non-existence via the nothingness that is supposed to be his True Form. Now, claiming that 'Yogiri is the end of all things and there is nothing above him' does not necessarily mean he transcends the duality of existence/non-existence. That is a non sequitur. Therefore, I am sticking with the Type 1 NEP position for now, which is easy to prove.
 
This could serve as further proof that the Sea of Darkness isn’t nep, as it’s seen as lenient compared to the end.


“What was that?! That was terrifying!”
The Jet Black Witch. The Dimensional Wanderer. The World-Crossing
Beauty. The Godslaying Scourge. The Omnipotent Stranger. The Ruler of
Time and Space.
Known by all sorts of names, Miranda sat inside a subspace pocket she
had created, clutching her knees and trembling. The moment she had seen
that thing, she felt like she had been dropped in the middle of hell. Death
itself had taken on human form. What confluence of coincidence and miracle
had led to its creation? Even for Miranda, who had witnessed the birth and
destruction of numerous worlds, it was a being that defied imagination. Her
ability to maintain a haughty demeanor in front of it was raw willpower. If
she had relaxed even a little, her soul would have smashed itself to pieces and
ended its own life. The eternal darkness that would lead to would seem
positively lenient compared to the true erasure that being could cause.
“Then could you give it up?”
The moment she had heard those words, Miranda had felt overwhelming
relief. She realized she had been saved. If it had decided to kill her, she would have had nowhere to run.
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sukuna171 said:
This could serve as further proof that the Sea of Darkness isn’t nep, as it’s seen as lenient compared to the end.
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How can this be a refutation? Don’t you know that there are levels of nonexistence erasure? This is proof that he possesses Type 1 nonexistence erasure.

Since his erasure goes beyond nonexistence itself, he would have Type 1 nonexistence erasure.
The Sea of Darkness is a void where nothing exists—neither darkness nor light exists there, just an emptiness in which nothing exists at all.

It seems your argument only further supports Yogiri having Type 1 nonexistence erasure.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
So basically, from what I understand, this Sea of Darkness doesn't erase everything. That honestly goes perfectly along with what @RaikiKurohane99 presented before about Gods and their conceptual self.
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The narrative states that the Sea of Darkness is a void where nothing exists. And of course, comparing the End of Everything to the Sea of Darkness is honestly absurd. The Sea of Darkness itself is a void where nothing exists—neither light nor darkness is anything more than a part of its end. Its true form transcends everything; nothing exists beyond it, and it represents the end of all things—the end of the Sea of Darkness and of existence as a whole. Comparing the Sea of Darkness to its true form is genuinely laughable.

Second, the Sea of Darkness possesses NEP 1 nature due to being a void in which nothing exists. I do not understand what its failure to erase everything inside it has to do with it having NEP 1 or any effect on gods. What on earth is this logic? Where are you getting these conclusions from? Who told you that a void or nonexistence must erase everything within it? By that reasoning, NEP 1 should be removed from the void in Dragon Ball because it does not erase everything inside it?

You are simply trying to derail the topic here. Who told you that gods must lack all aspects in order to qualify for NEP 1? It is sufficient for them to lack at least one fundamental aspect, such as a stone lacking a soul. The definition does not state that something must be absent in all aspects to qualify for NEP 1—only that it lacks at least one aspect, like a stone lacking a soul.

As I said, gods can exist in a state of nonexistence within the Sea of Darkness after being destroyed spiritually, physically, mentally, and historically, and still continue to exist in a form of nonexistence after the destruction of all these aspects. Your claim that they remain as a “concept” is unsupported by any evidence. I dislike these kinds of conclusions that are not backed by any proof; they are empty assumptions that add nothing to the discussion.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
such as a stone lacking a soul
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A stone isn't NEP1
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It's simply that Raiki's argument on Gods existing as concepts in the sea of darkness makes sense to me. Being a concept while lacking a physical body or information is.... Not NEP. That's abstract existence on Concepts.

You need to be nonexistent in the aspect you exist as, as well. If a being's soul and mind is erased and the verse doesn't have any other Fundamental aspect, and the character can still stay active in that state, that's NEP.

If a character's survival is however due to another fundamental aspect such as Concept existing, that is not NEP, that's abstract existence on said fundamental aspect.

The thing of difference here is the presence or hereby lack of another fundamental aspect.

And as Sakuna gave the scans above, being in the Sea of Darkness is not the same as "true erasure" (which would be erasing all fundamental aspects), which only supports Raiki's interpretation.
The eternal darkness that would lead to would seem positively lenient compared to the true erasure that being could cause.
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Astral_Trinity439 said:
A stone isn't NEP1
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It's simply that Raiki's argument on Gods existing as concepts in the sea of darkness makes sense to me. Being a concept while lacking a physical body or information is.... Not NEP. That's abstract existence on Concepts.

You need to be nonexistent in the aspect you exist as, as well. If a being's soul and mind is erased and the verse doesn't have any other Fundamental aspect, and the character can still stay active in that state, that's NEP.

If a character's survival is however due to another fundamental aspect such as Concept existing, that is not NEP, that's abstract existence on said fundamental aspect.

The thing of difference here is the presence or hereby lack of another fundamental aspect.

And as Sakuna gave the scans above, being in the Sea of Darkness is not the same as "true erasure" (which would be erasing all fundamental aspects), which only supports Raiki's interpretation.
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Do you have anything to support this, or is it just empty speculation as I told you—and as I told him as well? In any case, there is no evidence stating that gods continue to exist as concepts after they die, so this claim is baseless. I won’t accept any conclusions that aren’t backed by evidence.
 
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Do you have anything to support this, or is it just empty speculation as I told you
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I wouldn't call Raiki's arguments empty speculations, since they make perfect sense to me, but in the end it's a matter of opinions.
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—and as I told him as well? In any case, there is no evidence stating that gods continue to exist as concepts after they die, so this claim is baseless. I won’t accept any conclusions that aren’t backed by evidence.
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You can believe the opposition's argument isn't backed up by proper evidence, you can show your spektism, you can call them empty (even if they aren't), but in the end it's for the staff to decide.
 
Were NEP2 for Yogiri or The End? If it was for The End, I could agree to it yeah but I'm lowkey unsure about Yogiri having NEP2 lmao
 
The members here are all trying now to bring me—and this work—down. This is what happens when you’re the only one supporting it. It’s gotten to the point where they’re making things up and distorting concepts. There’s nothing left now except to leave and give up.

When you present an argument, they ask for proof. When you provide proof, they say it’s not enough. When you add more evidence, they still say it’s not enough—you’d need a billion pieces of evidence just for them to start being convinced. Meanwhile, when an opponent wants to downplay something, they come up with a baseless claim with no source or evidence, and even if there are countless proofs contradicting it, it still gets accepted simply because it supports the downplay—and everyone backs it so they don’t have to think too hard about the issue.

Then they say I’m the bad or biased one, while in reality I’ve been extremely reasonable given the situation I’m in. If anyone else were going through all this, they wouldn’t have stayed here for even a second.

You’re doing all of this just to wear me down so I leave the work and you can enjoy it like you did before.
 
Azertyhuuh, cool off with accusation; just focus on the arguments; I would argue bring more supporting evidence from your arguments and/or use specific parts of the pages like for powers and abilities for evidences where it is unlikely you would made a mistake about stone's case for nonexistent physiology.

Azertyhuuh, your points about the stone is not really valid; something as have to fully nonexistent first before they can qualify for nonexistent so maybe if there is something like a nonexistent object then it could have qualify:
  • The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent. That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types:
UEG erased Touchirou and she clarified that that she erased him (Volume 11 chapter 12); UEG with the man (Can erase targets from existence with a thought ) (Volume 11 chapter 12).

sukuna171 said:
The Sea of Darkness isn’t just for gods; humans end up there too.

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Is it even the correct context place? He did not died as the case seems more related where it was clarified; while the others characters did like gods died or describe death more in-depth, and it seems to be similar to Sages' immortality (Volume 14 chapter 7)
I saw the arguments about the witch; she were referred as omnipotent within the context (Volume 7 Chapter 19) and by another god (Volume 7 chapter 22) and omnipotence is largely been related to gods so it likely she is a god; the quote about those from the sea implies that Miranda would also get others abilities from the sea and UEG shown even conceptual attacks can be made to apply to normal attacks so again the attacks is likely not normal.
If Miranda's hobbies if killing god why she wouldn't try to her best and one that she is angry and the context was overkilling not just trapping or weakening; the context already affecting the body of of god have no effect like from immortality type 9 and they have a lot backups which they can come back from; I think it was argue that god were killed from a normal attack when weaken in the past thread; Miranda's attack was later clarified that it made Malna disappear:
I think Miranda's quote was out of context; It seems more about true death and everything already stated that only Yogiri can permanently gods and they would resurrect later otherwise.
UEG's quote was likely on the higher type of nonexistence to Yogiri's true form was about; I saw the point about night-omniscience sure they can learned a lot from omniscience like Mitsuki but it can take effort also and even then they are not even fully sure about Yogiri's end nature like Ultimate God so it would not really mean that UEG cannot be wrong especially when it is about Yogiri's end case. Also, the points below from Volume 12 chapter 10 support the sea of darkness being related to nonexistence and not other abstract place like a concepts; there is UEG that she said her concept was destroyed from by the concept destroying sword but it is argued that she existed in some abstract existence state like concept 3 instead; it seems to required more assumptions from Occam's razor compared to evidence of nonexistence especially the new one.

On the sea of darkness, it seems like with the help of a god ritual that seems it could also have be empowered by god killing weapons along help from god who was weaker than Malna and likely stronger from its resurrection from Mitsuki (Volume 12 chapter 10), Hedgedog could kill Malna and when Malna died her body disappear to the void which support that the sea of darkness is related to some form of nonexistence not some concepts.


I will try to reply to other points if I missed them later and/or update scans.
 
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jokes aside i will probably check this thread after my exams. I hope this is still open by then
 
Elizhaa said:
I will try to reply to other points if I missed them later and/or update scans.
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Elizhaa, wanted to clarify something, previously you said in the thread
Elizhaa said:
NEP 1 with all aspects for gods and the end along with Acausality Type 4 for the end could be fine.
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This is for aspects 1,2,3,4 and will be worded as such when indexing instead of "all" aspects correct because I don't think it's worded as "all" aspects like ever. Can you clarify that just in case. Thx
 
Cipher72 said:
This is for aspects 1,2,3,4 and will be worded as such when indexing instead of "all" aspects correct because I don't think it's worded as "all" aspects like ever. Can you clarify that just in case. Thx
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It is kind of based on accepted editing format; Sometime this is NEP like Type is listed as (Nature type 2 , All aspects (if there are 1-5 aspects) like some profiles like this and it is really more common in higher tier profiles like 1-A or higher to tier 0 ; it is just another way to index NEP (Nature x, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5). Depending on editing NEP (Nature type 2) and NEP (Type 2) could be valid way to do it also like with here.
 
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Elizhaa said:
It is kind of based on accepted editing format; Sometime this is NEP is listed as (Nature x, All aspect (if there are 1-5 nature) like some profiles like this and it is really more common in higher tier profiles like 1-A+ to tier 0 ; it is just another to NEP (Nature x, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5). Depending on editing NEP (Nature type 2) and NEP (Type 2) could valid way to do it also like with here
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Since the gods possess NEP 1 and the Sea of Darkness has a NEP 1 nature, then the End should possess NEP 2 because it transcends the dichotomy of existence and nonexistence. Here, nonexistence refers to the Sea of Darkness and the gods’ nonexistence (NEP 1). As mentioned, the End transcends everything, including the existence/nonexistence duality. It is the end of existence and nonexistence themselves—the end of everything. There is nothing after it, it cannot be surpassed, and it does not allow anything to exist within it, because it is the only thing that will remain in the end, as it is the End.

His darkness is a void of nothingness where nothing exists, and nothing is allowed to exist here.
What is this?" Not being able to quickly grasp the situation, UEG was dumbfounded for a while. However, time is subjective, and in reality, not much time has passed.

In front of UEG, there was an endless darkness. A void of nothingness.

Then she tried to find another dimension, another parallel world, another universe, but that didn't work either. What she see is nothing but emptiness.

There really is nothing here.

Realizing this, UEG was slowly beginning to feel fear. No matter where she tried to go, there was nothing. As long as there was nothing, there was nowhere to travel to.

"Well, then! I'll destroy everything! Space-time! The universe! The higher universes, including that one too!"

UEG unleashed all of her power with all of her might, but the power that was supposed to destroy everything disappeared into the void. The power of UEG had no effect on the surroundings.

"It's useless. There's nothing here. You can't destroy something
that isn't there."

"Yeah. I'm glad to see you fluttering in a hurry. It's a shame we can't send this information to my main body."

However, despite UEG's request, the illusion who called himself the Dragon disappeared into the darkness.

"Well, then you can make a world here."

If there is nothing and nowhere to go, then she can create it here herself. She is a god, so she can at least do creation. It should be possible, but no matter what was made, it immediately melted into the darkness. Nothing is allowed to exist here.

And UEG realized that she was in the process of melting into the darkness.

She tried to keep herself together somehow, but gradually she began to lose sight of what she was doing.

"...... why...... why should the mistress go through this ......"

UEG lost her shape, lost sense of who she was, and eventually disappeared into the darkness.
Volume 8 chapter 1
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It was a dead end. The destination of all fates, beyond which there is nothing. The end of everything in human form. It is precisely because it is the end that it stands until the end. No one can go further than it. Before this thing, fate, the plot, and the like must be a joke.
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What do you think about these arguments regarding the End having NEP 2 as well?
 
Elizhaa said:
It is kind of based on accepted editing format; Sometime this is NEP like Type is listed as (Nature type 2 , All aspects (if there are 1-5 aspects) like some profiles like this and it is really more common in higher tier profiles like 1-A or higher to tier 0 ; it is just another way to index NEP (Nature x, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5). Depending on editing NEP (Nature type 2) and NEP (Type 2) could be valid way to do it also like with here.
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Well sure for Tier 0 characters I can see it but the all rating as far as I know is for characters with all types of NEP which is a very big stretch, even profiles with far far more aspects index them without the all rating because that's what indexing is about. I might be mistaken on this so feel free to correct me, I think the profiles you linked are just outdated or have some justifications behind having all aspects which I don't see Yogiri having.
An example is
Nonexistent Physiology for his source (Nature Type 2; Aspects Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 [Other: Logic, Fate, Law, History, Space-Time, Life & Death]
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Now I am sure characters like Oblivion (Marvel Comics) can have all types merely based on how many aspects they have but considering that Eugiri doesn't have many aspects of 5 not limited to (Plot, Logic etc) I think indexing it as all might lead to some misconceptions. Thx
 
Cipher72 said:
Now I am sure characters like Oblivion (Marvel Comics) can have all types merely based on how many aspects they have but considering that Eugiri doesn't have many aspects of 5 not limited to (Plot, Logic etc) I think indexing it as all might lead to some misconceptions. Thx
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If we are accepting Yogiri would have NEP1 All Aspects probably 5 would contain(History, Fate, Causality, Space-Time)
 
Cipher72 said:
Well sure for Tier 0 characters I can see it but the all rating as far as I know is for characters with all types of NEP which is a very big stretch, even profiles with far far more aspects index them without the all rating because that's what indexing is about. I might be mistaken on this so feel free to correct me, I think the profiles you linked are just outdated or have some justifications behind having all aspects which I don't see Yogiri having.
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I think there is a confusion on type 5 aspect; type 5 depends on the justifications like on the other respective fundamental aspect of existence(s) in the verse besides the first 4 aspects and basically judge on case by case; editing wise the all aspect format is still valid.
 
Isn't there any staff member who can help us here?

Current voting result:
Elizhaa agrees with NEP 1 for the gods, and agrees with NEP 1 for the End, as well as AC4 for the End, but rejects NEP 2 for the End.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Isn't there at least any other staff member who can give their opinion?
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Perhaps you could create a summary post containing all arguments and opposition. That would help staff evaluate this.
Though try to be neutral, and if you think you don't understand the opposition's arguments well enough, you can just copy-paste or quote them.
 
Vietthai96 said:
NEP1 and Aca 4 for Yogiri is fine

I don't see NEP1 for God
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Both Elizhaa and DontTalkDT agreed on NEP1 for the gods and all of their aspects as well.

The gods are capable of continuing to exist in a state of nonexistence even after being completely erased. Death for the gods is merely another state of existence for them, as the novel stated.

She had killed any number of gods, but death was just another state of being for them, one from which they would eventually recover.
Volume 11 Chapter 21
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Elizhaa and DontTalkDT agreed on this matter regarding NEP 1 and all aspects here.

This is the argument:


You also did not give your opinion on the Dark Sea having NEP 1.

The novel stated that it is a void in which nothing exists at all—neither darkness nor light is present.

“There was nothing but empty blackness. If someone was down there, she should have seen them. Light and dark were subjective here, so it wasn’t like the darkness could impede her vision. But Malna was completely alone. No matter how much she doubted her eyes, she couldn’t see anyone but herself.”
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Azertyhuuh said:
Both Elizhaa and DontTalkDT agreed on NEP1 for the gods and all of their aspects as well.

The gods are capable of continuing to exist in a state of nonexistence even after being completely erased. Death for the gods is merely another state of existence for them, as the novel stated.



Elizhaa and DontTalkDT agreed on this matter regarding NEP 1 and all aspects here.

This is the argument:


You also did not give your opinion on the Dark Sea having NEP 1.

The novel stated that it is a void in which nothing exists at all—neither darkness nor light is present.
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That's the scale of the past, which has already been debunk anyway.

Therefore, just Yogiri's will suffice.
 
Ihsjihahxu said:
That's the scale of the past, which has already been debunk anyway.

Therefore, just Yogiri's will suffice.
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I have not seen the refutation, honestly. Elizhaa still agrees so far.

What about the Sea of Darkness? Don’t you agree that it should have NEP nature?
 
I really hate these likes and this whole disgusting button. Whenever someone objects and disagrees with the thread owner, you see them getting likes. Every time someone disagrees, they flood them with likes.
 
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