Percy Jackson (Riordanverse) vs Lyn (Fire Emblem) | 2-0-0

[Franstel]

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Rules:​

*Speed equal
*The fight happen next to an olympic pool
*Lyn's 7-B rating is used and percy is in his "The Last Olympian" key
*Lyn know that a certain spot on Percy's body is vulnerable but not where

Votes:​

The son of Poseidon:, TheHuntsman1001, SatellaTheWoE, [COLOR=rgb(84, 172, 210)]Nonynho[/COLOR]
AP: 7,3 megatons normally, 14,6 megatons via water amps, far higher with the Curse of Achilles
LS: 8.962 Metric Tons normally, 17.9 Metric Tons via water amps, higher with the curse of Achilles

The Lady of the plains:
AP: 1,67 kiloton normally, 8,07 megatons with Sol Katti, higher with critical hits
LS: 132.87 Metric Tons

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[Franstel]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

thanks for reminding me that Percy is in ReZeros range again

 

[Franstel]

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thanks for reminding me that Percy is in ReZeros range again

you also want to argue this matchup ?

 

[Testarossa002]

how does Lyn start?
From what I can see, she really needs to avoid getting cut by Riptide. Or else

• Soul Destruction, Non-Physical Interaction & Damage Boost (Celestial bronze and imperial gold are lethal to spirits that are normally incorporeal. Against beings with physical bodies, these materials inflict damage that reaches the soul itself, dissolving their essence from within, even with a single cut)

 

[Franstel]

how does Lyn start?
From what I can see, she really needs to avoid getting cut by Riptide. Or else

Fire Emblem characters can survive and keep fighting even with their soul destroyed/stolen/sealed.

In terms of how she fight, she is mainly a swordwoman, getting in close combat and cutting down her foe.

It is notable that behind each of her blows she has a chance to land a Crit which would momentarly increase her speed to the point of becoming invisible to a pov that could previously keep up with her. She can also leave afterimage and attack with duplicate.

 

[Franstel]

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[TheHuntsman1001]

So given that they are fighting right next to a decent sized body of water I think Percy has enough advantages to win this. Percy has the AP advantages with his water amps and can at least hold in own in sword combat if not win. Lyn won't be able to hurt him without striking his mortal point of the curse of Achilles so her Crit attack is essentially meaningless and Percy can also refill his stamina and strength through contact with the water meaning he will outlast her as well.

If they are evenly matched in swordplay then Percy will just eventually win because he isn't accumulating damage or getting tired, however he has other wincons as well. He can also just manipulate the water to surround and drown Lyn or he could pull the water into a mini storm around himself to make it impossible for her to attack him normally like he did in his fight against Hyperion in TLO.

Lastly nothing is technically stopping him from just manipulating the blood in Lyn's body and controlling her, if this works on a goddess it would work on her. While he did this in a later key than his TLO key he didn't gain any new powers and is completely capable of this in this key.

So voting Percy.

 

[Franstel]

Percy has the AP advantages with his water amps and can at least hold in own in sword combat if not win.

What's percy's skill feats ?

For Lyn you have stuff like defeating many ennemies on her own, reading people's intents, fighting people that physically outmatch her, fighting Chrom to a stalemate the same Chrom who can fight with fighters from Castle Apotheosis a place where the strongest warriors in the Outrealms (the fe multiverse) gather and match her friend Eliwood a goodswordsman who in the future will even end up the best knight of the Lycian league.

She can dodge attacks like Nosferatu that appear on her, or attack like Nergal's Ereshkigal or the spell Luce.

Lyn won't be able to hurt him without striking his mortal point of the curse of Achilles so her Crit attack is essentially meaningless

It's still a perception blitz amp where she have the time to land multiples blows from several angles simultaniously via Duplication.

and Percy can also refill his stamina and strength through contact with the water meaning he will outlast her as well.

On his profile, it's only counted as regeneration so could you show me a scan of him recovering stamina.

He can also just manipulate the water to surround and drown Lyn or he could pull the water into a mini storm around himself to make it impossible for her to attack him normally like he did in his fight against Hyperion in TLO.

He can't exactly prevent her from getting close to him because of the LS difference nor can he easily bind her long enough for her to drown.

Lastly nothing is technically stopping him from just manipulating the blood in Lyn's body and controlling her, if this works on a goddess it would work on her. While he did this in a later key than his TLO key he didn't gain any new powers and is completely capable of this in this key.

So voting Percy.

Wasn't it something done in a very specific context that he never did again because that blood was poison or something like that.

Also she got three healing potions on herself to recover if she need to.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

For Lyn you have stuff like defeating many ennemies on her own, reading people's intents, fighting people that physically outmatch her, fighting Chrom to a stalemate the same Chrom who can fight with fighters from Castle Apotheosis a place where the strongest warriors in the Outrealms (the fe multiverse) gather and match her friend Eliwood a goodswordsman who in the future will even end up the best knight of the Lycian league.

He held his own against highly trained fighters even as an amateur at age 12. He fought against Ares, the God of War at age 12 and managed to defeat him in single combat. TLO Percy No diffs his 12 year old self in skill. In later books he fights large groups of enemies alone (before gaining the invulnerability of the curse of Achilles) and after getting it he fights Hades alongside legions of the dead and completely overpowering them. Additionally, both are treated as "Master Swordsman" which is why I said he could hold his own here.

It's still a perception blitz amp where she have the time to land multiples blows from several angles simultaniously via Duplication.

It is notable that behind each of her blows she has a chance to land a Crit which would momentarly increase her speed

Ok. So is every attack she makes a critical hit? Or can she just decide to attack with a critical hit or are there some other conditions to land it? Based on your earlier message it seems like she can't just "decide" to land a critical hit so she can't just decide to perception blitz here. Given this she would be trading blows and occasionally landing a critical hit and not just landing multiple blows looking for Percy mortal point.

On his profile, it's only counted as regeneration so could you show me a scan of him recovering stamina.

His profile does have Empowerment via his connection to water listed in addition to his regeneration.

He can't exactly prevent her from getting close to him because of the LS difference nor can he easily bind her long enough for her to drown.

The LS difference probably wont be an issue for Percy. He constantly contends with people who have massively higher LS than him since all Gods/Titans/Giants and most monsters all do. Plus again at age 12 he fought and notably traded blows with Ares who is Class T LS which is WAY higher than Lyn so he would have no issues actually fighting her due to that difference. Plus he can exert much more force than his own LS through his water manipulation since it isn't tied to his physical strength.

Wasn't it something done in a very specific context that he never did again because that blood was poison or something like that.

Not really. It was a specific context that allowed Percy to learn he was capable of this but it's not like he needs specific circumstances to do it again. (e.g. this isn't ALTA bloodbending rules) However this is something Percy wouldn't want to do under normal circumstances, I only bring it up to say he could do it.

 

[Franstel]

He held his own against highly trained fighters even as an amateur at age 12. He fought against Ares, the God of War at age 12 and managed to defeat him in single combat. TLO Percy No diffs his 12 year old self in skill. In later books he fights large groups of enemies alone (before gaining the invulnerability of the curse of Achilles) and after getting it he fights Hades alongside legions of the dead and completely overpowering them. Additionally, both are treated as "Master Swordsman" which is why I said he could hold his own here.

Fighting groups of foes is good but it's not that impressive compared to Lyn. Also for Ares not only it wasn't his true body but he was not fighting seriously otherwise Percy never could have cut him, then Percy "won" by using the sea, he cut Ares ankle once and before Ares got serious Kronos intervened to save Percy's life.

Ok. So is every attack she makes a critical hit? Or can she just decide to attack with a critical hit or are there some other conditions to land it? Based on your earlier message it seems like she can't just "decide" to land a critical hit so she can't just decide to perception blitz here. Given this she would be trading blows and occasionally landing a critical hit and not just landing multiple blows looking for Percy mortal point.

Crits are chance based, I can't really say an exact percentage without using in-game stats which is not allowed but considering that Sol katti have a +30 crit rate, it should be around 30% to land one before each strike.

Also Lyn's critical are not just one blow but a series of many while her speed is amped, for example one of her crit animations is her rushing her target slashing them up front multiples times before cutting at 4 different angles simultaniously

another is her inflicting multiples cuts from several directions

His profile does have Empowerment via his connection to water listed in addition to his regeneration.

yes but empowerment only increase physical stats unless stated otherwise

The LS difference probably wont be an issue for Percy. He constantly contends with people who have massively higher LS than him since all Gods/Titans/Giants and most monsters all do. Plus again at age 12 he fought and notably traded blows with Ares who is Class T LS which is WAY higher than Lyn so he would have no issues actually fighting her due to that difference. Plus he can exert much more force than his own LS through his water manipulation since it isn't tied to his physical strength.

Then upgrade him to class T otherwise Lyn is still above his weight class.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I do not recall any significant skill feats from Percy that were on the same level as a perception blitz amp, however i dont think he would lose. Achilles curse is busted and i think he did definitely be able to pull one over lyn and win with his biq

voting for percy

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Fighting groups of foes is good but it's not that impressive compared to Lyn. Also for Ares not only it wasn't his true body but he was not fighting seriously otherwise Percy never could have cut him, then Percy "won" by using the sea, he cut Ares ankle once and before Ares got serious Kronos intervened to save Percy's life.

I do not recall any significant skill feats from Percy that were on the same level as a perception blitz amp, however i dont think he would lose

Yeah, it's not like I'm trying to argue he has superior skills here, only that I don't think it's a stomp in Lyn's favor and he can contend with her. I also agree he doesn't have a strong counter to a perception blitz amp but I also agree it probably won't matter. Curse of Achilles is very busted and he isn't going to take any damage from Lyn's normal or critical attacks outside of his mortal point which is a huge advantage for him.

Also about his fight with Ares, him using his true body isn't relevant for his skill. Plus Percy winning with a water amp is irrelevant since he has access to water here too. Plus water doesn't amp his skill. Either way Ares is a fighter with 1000s of years of battle experience and this was Percy who had been wielding a sword for less than a week so the fact that he could even touch the God of War at all is my point.

Crits are chance based, I can't really say an exact percentage without using in-game stats which is not allowed but considering that Sol katti have a +30 crit rate, it should be around 30% to land one before each strike.

Also Lyn's critical are not just one blow but a series of many while her speed is amped, for example one of her crit animations is her rushing her target slashing them up front multiples times before cutting at 4 different angles simultaniously

So just under 1/3 chance to crit. Honestly I think if this were to get out of hand for Percy he just becomes more likely to use his Hydrokinesis to attack Lyn directly. Nothing I can see on her profile makes he think she has any kind of counter for this.

Otherwise, what is stopping Percy from just staring the fight by jumping into the water and swimming to the bottom? Or even just going there if/when he realizes Lyn is the superior fighter on land. He's stronger underwater and can still just control the water to attack her from there.

I think Lyn's only chance to win would be to get him away from the water completely since he is going to just be too much of a problem near it.

 

[Franstel]

Yeah, it's not like I'm trying to argue he has superior skills here, only that I don't think it's a stomp in Lyn's favor and he can contend with her. I also agree he doesn't have a strong counter to a perception blitz amp but I also agree it probably won't matter. Curse of Achilles is very busted and he isn't going to take any damage from Lyn's normal or critical attacks outside of his mortal point which is a huge advantage for him.

It's still a pretty big gap in skill and the speed amp definitly do matter considering that she is aware that one point of Percy's body his vulnerable, so she would cut Percy's body all around to eventually find the weak point on his body which is greatly eased by the ability to land several free hit at different angle

Also about his fight with Ares, him using his true body isn't relevant for his skill. Plus Percy winning with a water amp is irrelevant since he has access to water here too. Plus water doesn't amp his skill. Either way Ares is a fighter with 1000s of years of battle experience and this was Percy who had been wielding a sword for less than a week so the fact that he could even touch the God of War at all is my point.

I'm not arguing that Percy is more skilled in water but that Percy used the sea to catch Ares off-guard to land a cut on him.

So just under 1/3 chance to crit. Honestly I think if this were to get out of hand for Percy he just becomes more likely to use his Hydrokinesis to attack Lyn directly. Nothing I can see on her profile makes he think she has any kind of counter for this.

I'm pretty sure that unless he do an all-out attack with most of the pool where yes she would get overwhelmed, she would be able to dodge/resist the assault for some time considreing the spell she is able to dodge.

Otherwise, what is stopping Percy from just staring the fight by jumping into the water and swimming to the bottom? Or even just going there if/when he realizes Lyn is the superior fighter on land. He's stronger underwater and can still just control the water to attack her from there.

I mean she is not an idiot if she see Percy's underwater and controlling it to kill her while out of reach she simply is gonna get further away and it would be a question of patience and who will expose themselves first.

 

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[Nonynho]

def going Percy FRA

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

It's still a pretty big gap in skill and the speed amp definitly do matter considering that she is aware that one point of Percy's body his vulnerable, so she would cut Percy's body all around to eventually find the weak point on his body which is greatly eased by the ability to land several free hit at different angle

I agree Lyn does have the skill advantage but it doesn't seem to be as big as you are making it out to be. Plus like it's been stated Percy has multiple ways to defend himself from attacks like this. Either by using the pool, by creating a mini storm, or even just keeping up with swordplay and using the curse of Achilles to tank the few attacks he can't block.

I mean she is not an idiot if she see Percy's underwater and controlling it to kill her while out of reach she simply is gonna get further away and it would be a question of patience and who will expose themselves first.

Percy could stay underwater indefinitely so that won't be an issue. However, instead of waiting her out he is much more likely to come up with some crazy idea nobody would see coming and catch her off guard.

Percy just has more than enough wincons that Lyn doesn't have answers for.

 

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[Armorchompy]

It's weird that we interpret the crits as a speed amp when it's just like, standard anime fancy movement stuff, no real implication of them blitzing the victim as far as I can see. I'm also not convinced she's all that much better, it's mostly just "fights people who're really good at combat", which yeah sure but so has Percy and he's probably got more on top of that. He's also got higher stats, much greater versatility, not to mention endurance (Lyn does have healing items admittedly, but then again if we're giving her that he'd have ambrosia). I think he's got this fairly easily.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

how does Lyn start?
From what I can see, she really needs to avoid getting cut by Riptide. Or else

As this was discussed I think Lyn will not be able to avoid being cut for the entire duration of the fight. So this actually brings up an interesting point I somehow missed before.

While Lyn landing an attack on Percy's mortal spot is fatal, him landing an attack with Riptide may also be because of it's soul destroying properties. While this might be debatable on how it works on non Greek-Myth targets it stands to reason it would work the same way here.

This does just seem like another point in favor of Percy.

Also the vote count should be 4-0 correct? Not 2-0?

 

[Franstel]

It's weird that we interpret the crits as a speed amp when it's just like, standard anime fancy movement stuff, no real implication of them blitzing the victim as far as I can see.

During a crit Lyn become faster than before (shown below) and leave afterimage even though she previously couldn't. So either she only ever use her full speed during a crit which don't make sense or doing a crit increase her speed.

Spoiler: speed comparison

Speed normally

Speed during crits

I'm also not convinced she's all that much better, it's mostly just "fights people who're really good at combat", which yeah sure but so has Percy and he's probably got more on top of that.

I mean when the fight people who're really good include people's like Chrom who is one the greatest warrior the Outrealm has ever known, her friend Eliwood who in the near future become the greatest knight in the Lycian League and more, the really skilled fighter that Percy fought were Luke (who proved to more skilled than Percy in their last duel during SoM), Ares that he needed the sea against to catch him off guard and Jason, none of them really have such good feat too.

He's also got higher stats, much greater versatility, not to mention endurance (Lyn does have healing items admittedly, but then again if we're giving her that he'd have ambrosia). I think he's got this fairly easily.

She have 3 in her standard equipement but counted.

As this was discussed I think Lyn will not be able to avoid being cut for the entire duration of the fight. So this actually brings up an interesting point I somehow missed before.

While Lyn landing an attack on Percy's mortal spot is fatal, him landing an attack with Riptide may also be because of it's soul destroying properties. While this might be debatable on how it works on non Greek-Myth targets it stands to reason it would work the same way here.

This does just seem like another point in favor of Percy.

Having your soul destroyed is not fatal for FE characters and they can keep fighting without one. In fact, some higher degrees of dark magic literally recquire you to erase your own soul to master.

Also the vote count should be 4-0 correct? Not 2-0?

I haven't updated the OP yet, it's 4-0 in Percy's favor

 

[Armorchompy]

During a crit Lyn become faster than before (shown below) and leave afterimage even though she previously couldn't. So either she only ever use her full speed during a crit which don't make sense or doing a crit increase her speed.

I'm pretty familiar with the games, but that's like saying Hector normally couldn't spin an axe without a crit. She's choosing to do it when she gets a crit, that isn't a reason to say it's a superpower she's able to activate rather than her flexing her base speed. All FE characters do over the top fancy shit when critting. Either ways I'm not arguing it shouldn't be counted for this match, it's on the profile, it's just probably wrong.

I mean when the fight people who're really good include people's like Chrom who is one the greatest warrior the Outrealm has ever known, her friend Eliwood who in the near future become the greatest knight in the Lycian League and more, the really skilled fighter that Percy fought were Luke (who proved to more skilled than Percy in their last duel during SoM), Ares that he needed the sea against to catch him off guard and Jason, none of them really have such good feat too.

"The best warrior X has ever known" still isn't that impressive, taken at face value it's peak human stuff and both of them just have better stuff than that.

She have 3 in her standard equipement but counted.

Oh my bad I didn't see that.

 

[Franstel]

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[TheHuntsman1001]

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