Sans (Undertale) vs Lyn (Fire Emblem) | (3-7-0) Grace

[Franstel]

The worst idea i had in a while

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The Rules:

• Sans's MH+ speed and Lyn's Sol Katti are restricted.
• No prep time nor prior knowledge
• Speed equal
• Lyn is given an iron bow
• They start 10 meters away from each other in the judgement hall

Votes:

"all right. well, here's a better question. do you wanna have a bad time? 'cause if you take another step forward... you are REALLY not going to like what happens next." : TheOrangeGuy09, Anonymous_Learner, AyOgUyS
AP: < 2.42 Tons of TNT
LS: Peak Human physically, Class M with Tk

"If you're not Taliver, then there's no reason for you to die here today. If you would like to tuck your tails and flee, do so now." : TheGatememer, Kazuma_kuwabara, Steve1775, Shadowslash125, SnakesCity, IxaSaga, OrangeFR
AP: >= 3,14 tons
LS: Baseline Superhuman

Incon:

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans FRA /j

 

[StekFence]

Can the sol katti be restricted if it’s standard equipment? (Even if it sucks)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Can the sol katti be restricted if it’s standard equipment? (Even if it sucks)

Things can be restricted if they grant a higher tier.

 

[StekFence]

ah right

 

[Naito-desu]

Sans for reasons below

But fr, haven't played Blazing Blade, could someone enlighten me what Lyn can do here? Seems like TK might be an issue for her given the LS gap. Is she meant to outrange him?

 

[Franstel]

Sans for reasons below

But fr, haven't played Blazing Blade, could someone enlighten me what Lyn can do here? Seems like TK might be an issue for her given the LS gap. Is she meant to outrange him?

She can survive the destruction of her soul so Sans would have to kill her with raw AP in which she has an avantage allowing her to survive beyond Sans initial attack and fight back.

 

[Naito-desu]

Oh, right, FE soul hax resist, then we have a fight. Does this mean Sans' TK won't work or just his soul attacks? I'm not familiar with what's accepted because it feels like the TK could still be a problem if he can just ragdoll her.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

She can survive the destruction of her soul so Sans would have to kill her with raw AP in which she has an avantage allowing her to survive beyond Sans initial attack and fight back.

Sans’ dura neg is not limited to soul, it’s on the profile.

 

[Franstel]

Sans’ dura neg is not limited to soul, it’s on the profile.

You mean the ignoring i frame thing ?

 

[TheGatememer]

Lyn can survive without her soul, and she resists duranegging magic. So, that's two of his primary wincons out of the window.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Pretty sure Sans hax affects soulless beings.

 

[Franstel]

Pretty sure Sans hax affects soulless beings.

Lyn do have a soul but fire emblem characters can withstand the destruction of their own souls so even if Sans soul hax Lyn it would not take her down.

 

[AyOgUyS]

lyn fra

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

TK gg it sounds like tho

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans just danmaku spams + dura negs as always, also TK helps even more. Voting Sans via these reasons.

 

[TheGatememer]

sans' dura-neg doesn't do much here; Lyn resists FE magic, all of which is dura-negging. So, she would be taking sans' attacks as if they were normal hits.

Moreover, if Lyn procs a crit, she can move fast enough that she appears invisible to characters normally relative to her, so she shouldn't have an issue hitting sans.

So, voting Lyn.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

sans' dura-neg doesn't do much here; Lyn resists FE magic, all of which is dura-negging. So, she would be taking sans' attacks as if they were normal hits.

We assume 20 HP with cross-verse MUs here, and I don't see resistance to Dura Neg on the profike.

 

[TheGatememer]

We assume 20 HP with cross-verse MUs here

That's for SOULs, and Lyn doesn't need one to live.

I don't see resistance to Dura Neg on the profike.

She resists this, which is true for all magic in Fire Emblem (It's also listed on her profile, but the durability negation part is missing from the resistance section):

Magic, and Durability Negation (Can use magical weapons like the Light Brand, the Rune Sword and the Wind Sword and magic completely bypasses<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lyndis#cite_note-:engageduraneg-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> physical defenses such as armor,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lyndis#cite_note-:ssduraneg1-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> or thick hides<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lyndis#cite_note-:ssduraneg2-11"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a>)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That's for SOULs, and Lyn doesn't need one to live.

No, it's for both souls and body. They act the same in UT.

She resists this, which is true for all magic in Fire Emblem (It's also listed on her profile, but the durability negation part is missing from the resistance section):

Maybe add that to the profile.

But anyways, if Lyn is basically unaffected by duraneg then this is a stomp, Sans barely downscales to 2.42 Tons while Lyn scales to Pi tons.

 

[SnakesCity]

Stomp FRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

sans fra

 

[Naito-desu]

I mean let's not be hasty, what stops this from being TK gg tho?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I mean let's not be hasty, what stops this from being TK gg tho?

He kind of lacks in AP to take advantage of his TK advantage.

 

[Naito-desu]

I mean the AP gap is like less than 2x, and Lyn can't attack if she's being ragdolled, I don't see how this'd be a stomp. They're both High 8-C still. Also OP should specify if Lyn only has her iron bow or if she also has a sword because I feel that's fairly important to add

 

[Franstel]

I mean the AP gap is like less than 2x, and Lyn can't attack if she's being ragdolled, I don't see how this'd be a stomp. They're both High 8-C still. Also OP should specify if Lyn only has her iron bow or if she also has a sword because I feel that's fairly important to add

She has her standard equipement (Mani Katti, Vulnerary) without the Sol Katti but with a bow

 

[Franstel]

I'll add more arguments for Lyn.
She is more skilled than anyone in Undertale with an AnPr that would let her anticipate Sans actions, on top of being pretty agile and being able to dodge attacks that appear almost on top of her like some spell so she should be able to dodge a good chunk of Sans attacks. She also possess 3 Vulnerary to heal if she needs to.

Maybe add that to the profile

It already is. There's no such thing as resistance to durability negation given how many ways of doing it exist so generally you just resist the way you can defend against.
And Lyn resist magic which in fire emblem inheritly bypass physical durability.

Sans should still anyway be able to harm her through raw AP since Monsters with lower Atk than Sans can damage Frisk and as shown in his boss fight, an exhausted Sans was able to harm Frisk by repeated Tk slam into walls.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

But anyways, if Lyn is basically unaffected by duraneg then this is a stomp, Sans barely downscales to 2.42 Tons while Lyn scales to Pi tons.

A stomp when she only has like 1.5 ap advantage? When sans has face 2-C guys and won? Just because she resist and is the only one who has resisted his soul shenanigans?


Yeah, no, Lyndis FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

A stomp when she only has like 1.5 ap advantage?

1.5, except Sans barely downscales from his value so he isn’t doing much.

When sans has face 2-C guys and won?

They do not resist his freaking KR.

Just because she resist and is the only one who has resisted his soul shenanigans?

Not because soul shenanigans but dura neg as a WHOLE, which is his entire thing.

Yeah, no, Lyndis FRA

Who the hell is Lyn and why is everyone simping for this no-name

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It already is. There's no such thing as resistance to durability negation given how many ways of doing it exist so generally you just resist the way you can defend against.

It still can be mentioned, just like people have resistance to SI but doesn’t mean to everything.

And Lyn resist magic which in fire emblem inheritly bypass physical durability.

Add that profile, thank you.

Sans should still anyway be able to harm her through raw AP since Monsters with lower Atk

Yea, except they have a hell-ton of DOWN-scaling, which means Sans is far weaker than his value.

than Sans can damage Frisk and as shown in his boss fight, an exhausted Sans was able to harm Frisk by repeated Tk slam into walls.

Nuke Sans’ dura neg if you think he damaged LV19 Frisk via raw AP, have a good day.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Not because soul shenanigans but dura neg as a WHOLE, which is his entire thing.

And when he fights someone who he can't durability neg and the AP difference is not even x3 nor Lyndis has any range options appart of a single bow, is a stomp? Sans can dodge all the time until he tires out and Lyndis can do a crit and get a speed boost but Sans already has higher reactions than her

Is not a stomp just because Sans is not instantwinning as per usual

Also, one of the most famous Fire Emblem characters is a no name? Sure gen alpha kid

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Also, to be fair to Sans

If Lyndis main win condition is a crit, that would be nullify by the rule of not being able to win by speed blitzing the faster opponent, although, I don't know how we treat that rule when Sans is "possibly" faster than her

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Add that profile, thank you.

Magic and Durability Negation (Can use magic and magic completely bypasses<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:engageduraneg-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> physical defenses such as armor,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:ssduraneg1-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> or thick hides<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:ssduraneg2-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>)

Go to any mage user of fire emblem and see that on the profile, thank you, literally 30 seconds of searching

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And when he fights someone who he can't durability neg and the AP difference is not even x3

Yea, except they have a hell-ton of DOWN-scaling, which means Sans is far weaker than his value.

nor Lyndis has any range options appart of a single bow, is a stomp?

Huh. I assumed the all-powerful Lyn would have some good AoE.

Sans can dodge all the time until he tires out and Lyndis can do a crit and get a speed boost but Sans already has higher reactions than her

Oh right, Sans’ Stamina will be changed to Superhuman soon so the match would still be not relevant anyways.

Is not a stomp just because Sans is not instantwinning as per usual

Strawman.

Also, one of the most famous Fire Emblem characters is a no name?

Never even remotely heard of that.

Admittedly, I don’t really have an expanded view on fiction as a while so I’m not here to judge I guess.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Magic and Durability Negation (Can use magic and magic completely bypasses<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:engageduraneg-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> physical defenses such as armor,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:ssduraneg1-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> or thick hides<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celica#cite_note-:ssduraneg2-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a>)

Go to any mage user of fire emblem and see that on the profile, thank you, literally 30 seconds of searching

Put that under resistances via shortest CRT you can ever imagine, and you are all good m8!

 

[Franstel]

It still can be mentioned, just like people have resistance to SI but doesn’t mean to everything.

Add that profile, thank you.

Magic negating durability is straight up mentioned on her profile tho. Look her optional equipement tab, it's straight up said that her equipement that uses magic negate durebility because magic bypass durability.

Magic, and Durability Negation (Can use magical weapons like the Light Brand, the Rune Sword and the Wind Sword and magic completely bypasses physical defenses such as armor, or thick hides)

Yea, except they have a hell-ton of DOWN-scaling, which means Sans is far weaker than his value.

Nuke Sans’ dura neg if you think he damaged LV19 Frisk via raw AP, have a good day.

He may downscale but he still do damage

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Never even remotely heard of that.

Admittedly, I don’t really have an expanded view on fiction as a while so I’m not here to judge I guess.

Fair enough and I hope I did not bothered you

For now I don't have anything to say, if Lyndis had optional equipment I would buy the stomp, more range, literally Lightning attack speed to speedblitz even faster, etc, but without that is Frisk vs Sans but Frisk resist better the attacks

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Magic negating durability is straight up mentioned on her profile tho. Look her optional equipement tab, it's straight up said that her equipement that uses magic negate durebility because magic bypass durability.

Put that under resistances via shortest CRT you can ever imagine, and you are all good m8!

He may downscale but he still do damage

Because of his dura meg. Again, make a CRT to remove Sans’ dura neg since he “downscales” and be my guest if you insist.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Magic negating durability is straight up mentioned on her profile tho. Look her optional equipement tab, it's straight up said that her equipement that uses magic negate durebility because magic bypass durability.



He may downscale but he still do damage

We had this exact same charade here btw.

 

[Naito-desu]

I feel like the dura neg is too contextual to take as a broad resistance to Karma. Correct me if I'm wrong, but magic breaking past dura in FE seems more like an indication of how elements get past armor. Sans does hit the Soul, which, while Lyndis does have Soul Hax resistance, so does Frisk, but Frisk was still vulnerable to the effects of KARMA.