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The Boys discussion thread

But Godolkin also said supes would definitely lose the war against humans. He also knew supes very well
Yeah, because Godolkin and Sage thought differently about their motivations.

Godolkin was purely a social darwinist who cared about killing weaker Supes for a master race. Sage wants humans and Supes to destroy each other.

One was assuming a conventional war. The other was looking at the aspects like hijacking chain of command, so you can target the people who fires the missiles.
 
Not if she can hide the fact that she's a Supes or a traitor who helped spread the virus.
She can't. Literally on TV with Homelander, her face is plastered everywhere. She is one of Homelander's biggest associates, she will be on the top of the list to kill.

Bunkers are made to protect against other countries to avoid missile strikes while the army stops ground troops. It won't protect her when the army comes knocking.
 
Yeah, because Godolkin and Sage thought differently about their motivations.

Godolkin was purely a social darwinist who cared about killing weaker Supes for a master race. Sage wants humans and Supes to destroy each other.

One was assuming a conventional war. The other was looking at the aspects like hijacking chain of command, so you can target the people who fires the missiles.
True but you aren't taking the instant kill virus into account. There won't be a war.

The moment the virus drops, Supes will be forced to run as far from ground zero as possible.

Hell the governments can just mass produce the virus and spray it from planes, making Earth inhospitable for Supes.
 
Being the strongest doesn't mean you're a brick wall against every type of energy/hax. This is like saying Goku should be able to breathe in space because he can destroy space-time, or that Superman should be immune to magic because a magic user is only human level AP.

This logic is basically saying that Homelander should be resistant to every power/ability.
The show built Homelander up as the ultimate threat. Someone who the Boys couldn't kill pretty much no matter what. Someone who every single Supe in the world was terrified of, because he'd kill them all easily. Someone who'd require months to even years of planning to develop any sort of method, which eventually cultivated in them needing to create a virus so strong it would wipe out every other Supe, possibly even all humans on the planet.

We know throughout the series that even Supes like Victoria Nuemann, who can literally blow apart your body from the inside out, likely has zero chance at doing anything to Homelander.

So yes, when a random guy with poison breath comes in and incapacitates THAT guy, who was once this seemingly insurmountable threat that the series spent its entire run building up as that insurmountable threat, I am going to look at that and question the writer's decision making.

It completely devalues all the previous efforts that went into making Homelander seem so intimidating.

Its like, if this guy could do that to Homelander, then why didn't we just get this guy in season 3, pull up with Soldier Boy, and end the show right there? Surely that'd be a lot easier than trying to make a world ending virus.

It has nothing to do with powerscaling or needing him to resist everything. If you paid attention to the writing of the show you'd understand why something like this comes off so poorly.
 
The show built Homelander up as the ultimate threat. Someone who the Boys couldn't kill pretty much no matter what. Someone who every single Supe in the world was terrified of, because he'd kill them all easily. Someone who'd require months to even years of planning to develop any sort of method, which eventually cultivated in them needing to create a virus so strong it would wipe out every other Supe, possibly even all humans on the planet.

We know throughout the series that even Supes like Victoria Nuemann, who can literally blow apart your body from the inside out, likely has zero chance at doing anything to Homelander.

So yes, when a random guy with poison breath comes in and incapacitates THAT guy, who was once this seemingly insurmountable threat that the series spent its entire run building up as that insurmountable threat, I am going to look at that and question the writer's decision making.

It completely devalues all the previous efforts that went into making Homelander seem so intimidating.

Its like, if this guy could do that to Homelander, then why didn't we just get this guy in season 3, pull up with Soldier Boy, and end the show right there? Surely that'd be a lot easier than trying to make a world ending virus.

It has nothing to do with powerscaling or needing him to resist everything. If you paid attention to the writing of the show you'd understand why something like this comes off so poorly.
I mean even if they can knock him out it's not like they can kill him
 
I mean even if they can knock him out it's not like they can kill him
You realize, the moment he gets knocked out in this episode, Soldier Boy could've killed him, right? They said that, verbatim.

If that is a scenario that happened completely out of nowhere, with no planning, and just two different Supes to work with, then something like that could've been easily planned to happen by the Boys seasons ago. Especially when they had V for themselves.

Just makes the Boys seem like some serious morons, and Homelander feel like even more of a joke than he already did now that pretty much all of his aura is gone from the 1st season of the show.
 
I mean even if they can knock him out it's not like they can kill him
They could put him in the box soldier boy was. Constantly inhaling Novichok will eventually kill him from Oxygen depravation.

Even if it doesn't, even if he just stays unconscious, he will die from aging or dehydration or nutrient deficiency.
 
So yes, when a random guy with poison breath comes in and incapacitates THAT guy, who was once this seemingly insurmountable threat that the series spent its entire run building up as that insurmountable threat, I am going to look at that and question the writer's decision making.

It completely devalues all the previous efforts that went into making Homelander seem so intimidating.

Its like, if this guy could do that to Homelander, then why didn't we just get this guy in season 3, pull up with Soldier Boy, and end the show right there? Surely that'd be a lot easier than trying to make a world ending virus.

It has nothing to do with powerscaling or needing him to resist everything. If you paid attention to the writing of the show you'd understand why something like this comes off so poorly.
Yeah, I would've preferred if the gas failed. Then again we wouldn't have had an scene as "funny" (it was only mildly entertaining for me) if Homelander lasered them all (because that's priority, apparently).

Anyways, best guess? He exhaled a very toxic gas into Homelander, akin to novichok, and because he is THE Homelander, he simply took a short nap.
 
Yeah, I would've preferred if the gas failed. Then again we wouldn't have had an scene as "funny" (it was only mildly entertaining for me) if Homelander lasered them all (because that's priority, apparently).

Anyways, best guess? He exhaled a very toxic gas into Homelander, akin to novichok, and because he is THE Homelander, he simply took a short nap.
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It won't protect her when the army comes knocking.
If she builds a bunker in the middle of nowhere of the books and camouflaged or hidden from any surveillance, I don't think any army is finding her. Add to this that most Supes are American. The fighting would be heavily centered around the Europe, Eurasia and America. She could probably build her bunker somewhere in Africa on a remote island.
 
If she builds a bunker in the middle of nowhere of the books and camouflaged or hidden from any surveillance, I don't think any army is finding her. Add to this that most Supes are American. The fighting would be heavily centered around the Europe, Eurasia and America. She could probably build her bunker somewhere in Africa on a remote island.
Whose gonna build the bunker again ? Yeah humans. The service providers will also be humans.

Also the military would be fighting supes inside USA. The matter won't even reach other countries.

If it did, China and Russia would be more than happy to just glass all of USA.
 
Ok, so is no-one gonna mention the massively hypersonic speed feat Mr Marathon pulled?
"I scooped this up from Bogotá while you were taking a piss."
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The show built Homelander up as the ultimate threat. Someone who the Boys couldn't kill pretty much no matter what. Someone who every single Supe in the world was terrified of, because he'd kill them all easily. Someone who'd require months to even years of planning to develop any sort of method, which eventually cultivated in them needing to create a virus so strong it would wipe out every other Supe, possibly even all humans on the planet.

We know throughout the series that even Supes like Victoria Nuemann, who can literally blow apart your body from the inside out, likely has zero chance at doing anything to Homelander.

So yes, when a random guy with poison breath comes in and incapacitates THAT guy, who was once this seemingly insurmountable threat that the series spent its entire run building up as that insurmountable threat, I am going to look at that and question the writer's decision making.

It completely devalues all the previous efforts that went into making Homelander seem so intimidating.

Its like, if this guy could do that to Homelander, then why didn't we just get this guy in season 3, pull up with Soldier Boy, and end the show right there? Surely that'd be a lot easier than trying to make a world ending virus.

It has nothing to do with powerscaling or needing him to resist everything. If you paid attention to the writing of the show you'd understand why something like this comes off so poorly.
You're saying it devalues Homelander as a threat, but it actually grounds the world and makes it more sensible in the narrative. Ironically enough, you are looking at Homelander the way Vought wants you too. Homelander being called the strongest has the same flavor as Russia being considered a top 3 military, and yet we've seen them getting kicked by Ukraine (albeit with US/NATO support). Who would've guessed this outcome years before the war?

I've understood the narrative enough to know the show is trying to deconstruct Vought's influence, and show that Homelander is a lab experiment with very real psychological problems. He's not a god, and he isn't invincible.

Heck, I'm surprised you aren't talking about the scene when Kenji (Kimiko's brother) used his telekinesis to slam a bus and rock into Homelander, while sealing him into the ground. That's a physical limitation, and it took him several minutes to break out of it. Getting knocked out is a status effect.

I do agree that seeing Homelander get affected by it does look 'bad', but I've always gotten the impression that Supes were intentionally made to sound tougher than they actually are. I'm not saying they aren't threats, but sure as heck aren't the children of God or whatever.

Also, let's casually forget how the Supes at Marathon's mansion needed Soldier Boy to do meaningful damage to Homelander. They wouldn't have done anything against Homelander without a dude who can literally remove powers. Bringing Malchemical would've been a suicide mission, since The Boys encountered Homelander at Herogasm after they realized that Soldier Boy can destroy powers. Y'know, the same Herogasm where Homelander lasered Butcher on-site for breaking their deal. Good luck trying to get Malchemical to survive point-blank Heat Vision.
 
30 seconds for peeing, add another minute from going to and from and washing hand.

Still a solid 62144 m/s.
 
Ok, so is no-one gonna mention the massively hypersonic speed feat Mr Marathon pulled?
"I scooped this up from Bogotá while you were taking a piss."
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First real MHS feat only to be immediately shown to be an outlier in the next scene is crazy

(This is assuming he wasn't just lying, which considering they're entire plan is manipulating them to take down Homelander is a real possibility)
 
Does he even scale in reactions to his own travel speed? He couldn’t avoid splattering people from 5 meters of distance
 
Does he even scale in reactions to his own travel speed? He couldn’t avoid splattering people from 5 meters of distance
I doubt even The Seven would hire someone who couldn't, because that's a massive liability. It's also worth noting that A) A-Train exploded Robin when the distance was much greater, and B) Marathon snorted a boat load of cocaine earlier and wasn't expecting a fight. So I think Marathon was sloppy and couldn't fully decelerate over such a short distance, like A-Train, rather than him not being able to react to his own speed.
 
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Forgot to factor in the round trip.
62144 * 2 = 124296 m/s
Wierdly consistant with Ryans flight back from Russia. (A-Train sub-rel not being an outlier?)
And perhaps consistent with The Deep and A-Train who can cover the U.S.A - France distance in a short time (this is also an additional justification for A-Train's Water Running/Free Movement).

Does he even scale in reactions to his own travel speed? He couldn’t avoid splattering people from 5 meters of distance
Hell no. Bro was struggling
That doesn't make sense ngl, because it would mean he'd run over someone almost every time he ran somewhere (unless he had supernatural luck and no one was ever in his way).

The only explanation is that Soldier Boy's reaction/combat speed is comparable to Mister Marathon's, and he positioned the guys where he arrived at the last second, not giving him time to dodge.
 
Considering he is a addict, I doubt one hit can completely make him lose control. Also very much possible he lied, after all he has been leading them into a trap. Plus he lost to A Train whose canonical speed is 371 m/s.

Yes Feat > Statements but in this case the 371 m/s is a feat. It's not like Dandadan where characters are constantly doing MHS+ feats while canonically stated to be below 100 kmph.
 
Plus he lost to A Train whose canonical speed is 371 m/s.
371 m/s with the Compound-V boost, without it, it's 339 m/s.
This means that based solely on the races, A-Train with Compound V (371 m/s) > Shockwave (350 m/s) > A-Train (339 m/s) > Mister Marathon.

But it still remains inconsistent considering all the other feats and statements that give faster speeds.
 
Considering he is a addict, I doubt one hit can completely make him lose control. Also very much possible he lied, after all he has been leading them into a trap. Plus he lost to A Train whose canonical speed is 371 m/s.

Yes Feat > Statements but in this case the 371 m/s is a feat. It's not like Dandadan where characters are constantly doing MHS+ feats while canonically stated to be below 100 kmph.

I agree.

371 m/s with the Compound-V boost, without it, it's 339 m/s.
This means that based solely on the races, A-Train with Compound V (371 m/s) > Shockwave (350 m/s) > A-Train (339 m/s) > Mister Marathon.

But it still remains inconsistent considering all the other feats and statements that give faster speeds.

We can definitely push at least A-Train to Supersonic since he’s confirmed faster than Homelander’s flight speed, which is at least Mach 1.6 by statements. We have many much faster feats in the verse, but it just seem like outliers beyond what is intended in verse
 
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Plus he lost to A Train whose canonical speed is 371 m/s.
We're not talking about his level of speed with the addict stuff, we're talking about whether he can react to his level of speed. My argument is that he didn't have enough room to decelerate, and drugs would make it more difficult.
Yeah nah Marathon blatantly can’t react to his own speed this verses speed scaling is cooked 😭🙏
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Makes sense. Soldier boy has resisted both Butcher and Ryan's heat vision. The scene was not so much that Homelander could excute him.

It was more so that Soldier boy was at a point low enough that he wouldn't fight back if Homelander took a shot, and even then Homelander didn't take a shot.
 
371 m/s with the Compound-V boost, without it, it's 339 m/s.
This means that based solely on the races, A-Train with Compound V (371 m/s) > Shockwave (350 m/s) > A-Train (339 m/s) > Mister Marathon.

But it still remains inconsistent considering all the other feats and statements that give faster speeds.
I've heard somewhere that 371m/s could have just been his average speed in what seems like a 400 meter track. It would make sense as to why his top speed would be higher.
 
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