Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sus]

remind me why is it a must that 16f sukuna downscales from 20f?

gojo one shots hakari, yuta and uruame, yet he isn't far stronger than ryu?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I also enjoy seeing people say that "only yuji scales cause hes much stronger as well" or the "Modulo Yuji slams Sukuna no diff" people cause it'd mean everyone in the jujutsu society, especially Miyaguni considering we got confirmation that Yuji was the one that trained her and was her "master", were panicking for no reason cause they forgot Yuji is actually millions of times stronger ig. They also said it would be a "duel" between Dabura and Yuji when saying Dabura was Sukuna level at the same time. They forgot he one shots Sukuna level

tbf to that argument, Jujutsu Society literally went hard looking for yuji after dabura appeared

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What abt the sound effects? Gojo tried to grab his arm, Mahito cut it off, but he landed a punch on his gut?

son, the sound effect is Mahito cutting off his arm, not gojo hitting him, just like how jogo cut off his arm before gojo could hit him.
they're literally doing the exact same thing and, if gojo could hit them, especially the squishy jogo, he would

 

[Sus]

uro is absolutely traumatized from sukuna, she forgot that he is only marginally stronger than the 2 guys she was fighting at sendai, silly her

 

[MinatoSparkle]

16F Sukuna is massively above Ryu overall, but that's cause of Cleave, Fuga, DE, his immense CE reserves/efficiency, knowledge/skill at jujutsu, etc., not cause he could easily punch Ryu to death.

Also, Uro is traumatized by Heian Era Sukuna.

 

[Sus]

16F Sukuna is massively above Ryu overall, but that's cause of Cleave, Fuga, DE, his immense CE reserves/efficiency, knowledge/skill at jujutsu, etc., not cause he could easily punch Ryu to death.

sukuna ~ gojo who can one shot top tiers like hakari, yuta, uraume and kenjaku with punches (yes, blue punches, sukuna still is on par with them)

Also, Uro is traumatized by Heian Era Sukuna.

whats the difference aside from his original body and cursed tools..

 

[MinatoSparkle]

sukuna ~ gojo

Blue Gojo>Base Gojo~DE 20F Sukuna>20F Sukuna>16F Sukuna in physicals

who can one shot top tiers like hakari, yuta, uraume and kenjaku with punches (yes, blue punches, sukuna still is on par with them)

He's close with Domain Amplification, but not by himself.

whats the difference aside from his original body and cursed tools..

4 extra fingers, 2 extra arms, and an extra mouth?

 

[Sus]

Blue Gojo>Base Gojo~DE 20F Sukuna>20F Sukuna>16F Sukuna in physicals

girl
domain amps are just 20% its not insane that gojo kept up with him briefly
and amplification doesn't fully negate blue

sukuna is close enough to gojo that he is one shotting the 4 characters i mentioned to the same extent as gojo

 

[Iabihs]

All mahos are equal now? Damn.


Also would the sukuna level threat be taking in to account that Dabura lowkey learns new techniques in the middle of his first real fight?

 

[Mommyleona]

Hence why his Nue

Nue was a totality

 

[Sus]

every time i write something it shuts and it deletes everything

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

(Promo Video N1)

(Promo Video N2)


Gege was really tryna say something, not sure what

According to the one you are quoting, nuke >>> Sukuna level threat, which is consistent with the current scaling of the verse. So yeah, Light Dabura 1000 × Sukuna

 

[Zabazab]

Him having the highest output in history is a mistranslation, he has the highest output in the history of the Date domain.

Nah that was apparantly a mistranslation. It was highest output in the history of [the region he's from]. The legit statement is highest output among all Culling Game Players.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

girl
domain amps are just 20% its not insane that gojo kept up with him briefly

It's pretty insane considering he was constantly blasting RCT full output, which Sukuna mentions as a nerf. It's not like any of the differences are huge on their own, but they add up. Blue is a significant amp (to strength and especially speed), Base Gojo is about 20% stronger than 20F Sukuna, and 20F Sukuna is at least 25% stronger than 16F Sukuna, going by linear fingers which is the lowest reasonable interpretation. Thus Blue Gojo is significantly more than 50% above 16F Sukuna. If hypothetically, Blue Gojo was 20% above Base Gojo (it's probably a bigger amp than that), that'd mean Blue Gojo is 80% stronger than 16F Sukuna.

and amplification doesn't fully negate blue

Not fully, but it helps, and also boosts Sukuna's output on top of nerfing Gojo.

sukuna is close enough to gojo that he is one shotting the 4 characters i mentioned to the same extent as gojo

There's really no proof of that. I could see DE 20F Sukuna performing somewhat comparably, but not Base 16F Sukuna. 50% differences may not seem like a lot, but they are pretty significant in JJK. Just look at how much a 20% amp allowed Megumi to overwhelm Reggie.

@Zabazab I saw, just wanted to provide a source for the claim. Although I have doubts on him having more output than 16F Sukuna too, considering Yuji hadn't become an official player yet (he joined at 12 PM while the Ryu highest output statement was at 11:28 AM), and Sukuna wasn't really a player anyways, being inside someone else's body, whose name was registered instead of his.

 

[Duedate8898]

Nue was a totality

Nue being a totatily would not be the only reason for its large size given that even the original great serpent wasn't anywhere close to that size. Either way, Sukuna's larger and more powerful ten shadows is clearly a result of his greater output

 

[Sus]

i love how the discussion started as "16f isn't far behind 20f"

but now he apparently is

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Base 16F Sukuna is a good bit below DE 20F Sukuna, and especially DE DA 20F Sukuna. Base 16F Sukuna is reasonably close to Base 20F Sukuna. Stacking amps do be like that sometimes.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nue being a totatily would not be the only reason for its large size given that even the original great serpent wasn't anywhere close to that size. Either way, Sukuna's larger and more powerful ten shadows is clearly a result of his greater output

You'd think then that Agito would be faaaar bigger than Mahoraga since it's also a fusion of Nue and the Great Serpent, but nah

 

[Sus]

i disagree with base gojo being that much stronger than base meguna, but regardless that wasn't the original discussion

the relation between 16f, 20f and the latters relation to dabura are purely in-verse, we shouldn't disregard one or consider it an outlier because they dont match our crossverse tiers

 

[BiggestOpp]

You'd think then that Agito would be faaaar bigger than Mahoraga since it's also a fusion of Nue and the Great Serpent, but nah

Sukuna wasn’t amping it there

 

[LIGHTYW]

It's pretty insane considering he was constantly blasting RCT full output, which Sukuna mentions as a nerf. It's not like any of the differences are huge on their own, but they add up. Blue is a significant amp (to strength and especially speed), Base Gojo is about 20% stronger than 20F Sukuna, and 20F Sukuna is at least 25% stronger than 16F Sukuna, going by linear fingers which is the lowest reasonable interpretation. Thus Blue Gojo is significantly more than 50% above 16F Sukuna. If hypothetically, Blue Gojo was 20% above Base Gojo (it's probably a bigger amp than that), that'd mean Blue Gojo is 80% stronger than 16F Sukuna.

Not fully, but it helps, and also boosts Sukuna's output on top of nerfing Gojo.

There's really no proof of that. I could see DE 20F Sukuna performing somewhat comparably, but not Base 16F Sukuna. 50% differences may not seem like a lot, but they are pretty significant in JJK. Just look at how much a 20% amp allowed Megumi to overwhelm Reggie.

@Zabazab I saw, just wanted to provide a source for the claim. Although I have doubts on him having more output than 16F Sukuna too, considering Yuji hadn't become an official player yet (he joined at 12 PM while the Ryu highest output statement was at 11:28 AM), and Sukuna wasn't really a player anyways, being inside someone else's body, whose name was registered instead of his.

SUKUNA WAS HOLDING BACK BRO.

 

[Rodriiogo]

His statement is made in reference to Yuji tanking his Dismantle net. Sukuna hadn't even fought physically yet (other than that one seemingly casual punch that one shot Pre-Rage Amp Yuji).

Which doesn't matter. It's Ryomen Sukuna he knows what "Cursed Energy Output" is. Why would he lie to himself.

I'm not. I acknowledged that Sukuna is physically nerfed, all I'm saying is that his physicals aren't at 10%. Although regardless, I do think the 16F Sukuna blitzing Ryu feat is questionable (brief summary: I think Ryu was mentally nerfed), but that's a whole other discussion and not the most relevant to the topic so let's not get into that.

If his cursed energy output is at 10% then so are his physicals it's that simple. Denying that is denying the story's entire concept of what CE output is.
And huhhh?? How is it questionable, a way weaker Sukuna than 16F when actually trying proves this is consistent by perception blitzing Shinjuku Awakened Maki (at least comparable, but honestly faster than Ryu lmao).

He's weaker for sure, but idt there's proof that he's "WAAAY weaker." In the Yuta fight, he was marginally weaker (doing marginally less damage to Yuta with Dismantle than he did to Ryu, with those two being in the same tier even if Ryu's a bit tougher), his output got dropped significantly, but then he amped himself with 3 Black Flashes. He's probably still weaker than Yuta fight Sukuna, but it's unquantifiable by how much.

Characters weaker than, or comparable to, Ryu constantly take cleaves from that Sukuna even tho cleaves were a one shot level above Ryu. But notice how the dismantles still damage them alot, even more than it did Ryu, with it even being fatal for Yuji, it's like Ryu doesn't actually scales to dismantles consistently right

I think you are severly underrating how weakened Sukuna was lmao, let me list it for you how much damage he took even as far as the Gojo fight:

• Blasted in the face by Gojo's Red (at least twice as strong as him);
• Damaged to the point he couldn't maintain a domain;
• Damaged to the point he couldn't maintain a domain again, this time likely with a red as seen by his injury matching the first red;
• Unlimited Void landed on him, causing him brain damage to the point he couldn't even open his domain; (Note that this brain damage remains until the very end)
• Punched by Blue Enhanced Gojo punches the entire fight, but noting this part here where he gets punched and then dragged around like a ragdoll;
• Blasted by a weakened Red with DA, then blasted from the back with a Red Explosion (2x stronger than him) then black flash punched (2.5x stronger than him);
• Exploded by Hollow Purple, losing an arm, his face, blasted his entire body, literally looks like hes half dead;
• Was getting dominated by Kashimo to the point he had to resort to True Form (which doesn't heal his lost output or anything at all so he is still at the same level in AP but physically undamaged which changes almost nothing, this should be obvious but I seen people try saying this);
• Severed his own hand to escape Executioner's Sword;
• Hit with Thin Ice Breaker to the face by Yuta (which ignores defense as it hits space);

^ This Sukuna is the one Yuta and Yuji fight.

• Slashed by Rika with Dhruv's technique;
• Was getting his body control weakened alongside his cursed energy falling with every. single. hit. Yuji did;
• Hit with Thin Ice Breaker again;
• Cleaved in the face, while taking a beating from Yuji (more soul punch weakening), he then gets cleaved in the stomach, beaten up more, Yuta reaches inside his cleaved stomach and rips off his stomach's tongue and then cuts off part of his actual mouth;
• Got another arm exploded off by Yuji's blood;
• Maximum Output Jacobs Ladder hits him alongside Yuji punching him again (I don't think I even need to show how jacobs ladder does alot of damage to Sukuna);
• Stabbed through the heart by Maki with SSK which made healing it extremely slow, which makes him have to use CE to force his heart to keep beating;

^ This Sukuna is the one Maki fights.

• Kusakabe cuts Sukuna multiple times;
• Pressed again by Yuji and even after being able to heal his arm after the black flash, gets it cut again by Maki;
• Gets punched again by Yuji and gets hit with Piercing Blood as well;
• Black Flash'd 7 TIMES BY AWAKENED YUJI, who was climbing up to his level by stacking those black flashes alongside the fact that the soul damage is still a thing here;
• Used a lot more of his CE by using Domain + Fuga;
• Took a small beating again from Yuji alongside Todo;
• Black Flash'd again by Yuji and was getting his heart crushed;
• Had to Domain Clash with Yujo wasting more CE;
• Blasted by yet another Hollow Purple, this time by Yujo;
• Got hit by more of Yuji's punches and this time even Soul Dismantles that Sukuna says are more effective and if they kept hitting would literally kill him, vomitting out fingers even at one point;
• Climbs up yet another maximum output Jacobs Ladder even when its burning him (he confirms it was burning him and Yuji);
• Punched by Yuji yet again, more soul nerf;
• MULTIPLE more hits by Yuji during his domain;
• Got hit by Resonance and Yuji's Soul Dismantles alongside punches from Yuji now making him literally VOMMIT FINGERS.

All of that (and that was only the damage, I might have missed something) and he was still above them until the very last moment by the way I don't know how people are shocked on the gap of 20F and the rest of the verse lmaoo.

Extreme damage is a pretty big exaggeration. We see blood fly, but that doesn't mean she was on death's door or anything. And it was also a barrage of Dismantles, unlike the single one he used against Ryu (and seemingly on the stomach which I'm pretty sure is less tough than the chest, but that's a side point). I also wouldn't say it's contradictory for Ryu to be more durable than Maki, even if only marginally.

She was out of the battle for a bit, but it's not like it knocked her unconscious or anything given that she was standing when Sukuna used his domain.

It's more damage than Ryu took and she was indeed barely able to stand, Miwa was helping her. It's why, again, shes out for the entire fight after this. Todo shows up to fight but not her.

Marginally

Insanely below actually.

Ryu would die from a Barrage of 16F Dismantles regardless of if Sukuna was going all out or not. One slash did pretty good, just not fatal damage. Also Ryu is a decent bit tougher than Pre-Awakening Yuji.

A barrage of dismantles is stated by Kusakabe to be below a singular point blank dismantle as I showed already so.

Except Sukuna clarifies that it's not a matter of holding back due to disinterest, but to being unable to kill him without Cleave. If anything, Sukuna should've been "fired up" by Ryu's toughness given his expression and words of praise, and just powered up his Dismantle to one shot Ryu if the situation was really how you're framing it.

He got excited by Ryu's toughness so he used a cleave. He does the same with Maki in Shinjuku as I showed.

That depends. Mahito pretty much one shot Todo, Gojo knocked out Sukuna, and Yuji one shot an ISB Mahito much stronger than him (who was admittedly at low health, but still).

Todo was weaker than Mahito and just had to cut his own arm off bc of IT;
Sukuna had just been exploded from behind by a Red and was being knocked towards Gojo's black flash alongside already being weakened;
Yuji put all of his CE into the Black Flash on ISB for more potency, otherwise it wouldnt have one shot him even at low health.

Funny how you mentioned the todo - mahito example but not how a depressed looking down Yuji took a black flash from an excited Mahito and Mahito took a black flash from Yuji right after once Todo steps in by just having his arm broken by the attack.
Regardless all of those are below literally cutting someone's head off in three in a single attack in terms of actual one shot. Literally everyone there actually survived the attack and just got highly damaged.

Sukuna doesn't scale to his Cleave in AP just cause Gojo withstood it. Sukuna is much more durable than he is strong, and the same can be true of Gojo. Does Sukuna actually damage Gojo with just physicals? Even when using DA (which I think is a stat amp, though ik that's considered contentious), Sukuna's punches just knocked Gojo back a bit, Gojo doesn't show actual pain. Much how characters can sometimes tank a BF from a peer, Gojo withstanding a Cleave while he and Sukuna aren't close to matching Cleave's AP with punches is fine.

Brother... what, they clash so many times and Sukuna literally breaks free of Blue crushing him with strength and they are very much relative to cleave physically.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Gege was really tryna say something, not sure what

If this best statements he got, Sukuna agenda might as well pack it up.

Most of it is just repackaging "Dabura is Sukuna level thread" which nobody disputes. But again, them both maxing out threat level doesn't mean that should be equal in physical stats.
I see no reason for why both being called "calamities" would imply relativity in stats. Same way special grade curses differ drastically in strength, calamities can differ too. They are calamities cus they can singlehandedly can brought down Jujutsu society not because they have so and so tier

Usami(and that guy) would at best feel/measure his amount of cursed energy, which is not the best indicator of overall strength. And Dabura def wasn't outputting cursed energy at full output before Mahoraga fight.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Water is wet ass statement

 

[Rodriiogo]

If this best statements he got, Sukuna agenda might as well pack it up.

Yes, very clear statements is the "best he got".

Most of it is just repackaging "Dabura is Sukuna level thread" which nobody disputes. But again, them both maxing out threat level doesn't mean that should be equal in physical stats.

I'm gonna be for real with you. What are you even saying at that point? I already told you, regardless of which attack the comparission was intended to be, Sukuna would still scale. It could be his CLEAVES that scale to Dabura and he'd still scale... because he scales to his cleaves. Genuinely this is just conceding that they are comparable, ESPECIALLY WHEN DABURA IS FASTER AND HAS LIGHT-SPEED ATTACKS. If Dabura is already faster and has light-speed attacks yet is still considered a threat on the same level as Sukuna (considering the promo material repeats this even when hes using said attacks), let's think for a bit, how can Dabura be stronger, faster, more durable by ALOT, and still be on the same level as Sukuna? I think you forgot they just need to be comparable, if you wanna make your silly head-canon that Dabura is stronger, whatever, they are still comparable.

I see no reason for why both being called "calamities" would imply relativity in stats. Same way special grade curses differ drastically in strength, calamities can differ too. They are calamities cus they can singlehandedly can brought down Jujutsu society not because they have so and so tier

I thought you had already checked the Uro statement so I didnt have to send it fully, but the statement of calamities was indeed talking about strength on the same level between the two, its a direct parallel with the most obvious intetion laid out for you that they are both "calamity tier" in strength. We know nothing about some "calamity can differ", we see that grades are actually decently close most of the time. Despite grade 1s being ones weaker than the others they are all comparable, same with calamity grades, saying they can differ is your head-canon, the only grade that is considered flawed was special grade and this was something Gege himself said as intentional alongside Sukuna saying it as well. This is simply because they never had a "higher tier".

Usami(and that guy) would at best feel/measure his amount of cursed energy, which is not the best indicator of overall strength. And Dabura def wasn't outputting cursed energy at full output before Mahoraga fight.

Sorcerers with great detection can indeed tell how strong someone is out of their presence, you're acting like this is new for some reason. There's a reason why Gege used the inspector General (guy above the jujutsu higher ups) who Tsurugi verbatim says he has good judgement, as he'd be one of the best with detection and with access to Sukuna's strength via the recordings from Mei Mei. The whole point is that Dabura is constantly surging with CE all over his body like Yuta does against Yuji so they can measure his strength.

Also you didn't address the Yuji parts where hes quite obviously comparable to Gojo and Sukuna and still says he can handle Dabura. You know, the same Yuji who can sense power, the same Yuji who can sense the fact that Dabura just did that light-speed kick and the entire fight between him and Mahoraga?

It's funny how narrative gets thrown out of the window when it actually buffs the characters and is very obvious the author's intent for the stuff to be the case.

 

[Qurbonboev]

ESPECIALLY WHEN DABURA IS FASTER AND HAS LIGHT-SPEED ATTACKS. If Dabura is already faster and has light-speed attacks yet is still considered a threat on the same level as Sukuna (considering the promo material repeats this even when hes using said attacks), let's think for a bit, how can Dabura be stronger, faster, more durable by ALOT, and still be on the same level as Sukuna

You forgot about what I wrote about maxing out threat level. Sukuna is already hundred times stronger than strongest sorcerers Jujutsu Society has(according to you), absent freak like Gojo(who obviously shouldn't be included in calculations, he is an anomaly). He is more than capable of annihilating it in entirety, and smashing any opposition with ease.
500km asteroid is massively more powerful than 100km asteroid. But oth pose same level of thread for Earth civilization, since both of them would wipe out humans regardless.

you wanna make your silly head-canon that Dabura is stronger, whatever, they are still comparable.

I am not creating any head-canon. As matter of fact Dabura has better feats/scaling than Sukuna. It's just what it is. You are one that need to prove your headcanon of them being comparable physically. I don't need to do anything.

The whole point is that Dabura just like them is constantly with CE all over his body like Yuta does against Yuji so they can measure his strength.

I am not disputing this point. I am disagreeing with the notion that he was outputting CE at full before Mahoraga fight. Nobody was able to see and fell his power at maximum before.

Also you didn't address the Yuji parts where hes quite obviously comparable to Gojo and Sukuna and still says he can handle Dabura. You know, the same Yuji who can sense power, the same Yuji who can sense the fact that Dabura just did that light-speed kick and the entire fight between him and Mahoraga?

It's funny how narrative gets thrown out of the window when it actually buffs the characters and is very obvious the author's intent for the stuff to be the case.

?!?
I didn't address them cus I(and many others) literally used these args to argue scaling of Yuji to Dabura. Unsuccessfully.
And I think it's fair to expect that staff won't except these args in next CRT too.
Unless you can find more args, that weren't already presented in that CRT



Also, it seems that Dabura CT(?) can amplify his strength overall. So when he was doing sublight kick his durability was increased too

 

[Rodriiogo]

You forgot about what I wrote about maxing out threat level. Sukuna is already hundred times stronger than strongest sorcerers Jujutsu Society has(according to you), absent freak like Gojo(who obviously shouldn't be included in calculations, he is an anomaly). He is more than capable of annihilating it in entirety, and smashing any opposition with ease.
500km asteroid is massively more powerful than 100km asteroid. But oth pose same level of thread for Earth civilization, since both of them would wipe out humans regardless.

Which is why I also showed the promo material also saying he is Sukuna's level and a threat not seen since Sukuna, the intent is that they are at the same level, which I then added by showing Yuji stuff.
Miyaguni (who we now have confirmation was trained under Yuji) quite literally says Yuji should be the one to duel Dabura and their salvation, so within their measures on Dabura, Yuji would be able to at least compare to him in power. The only way of saying that Dabura is not comparable to both is by saying their measures was wrong which is unsubstantiated and has multiple stuff against it.

I am not disputing this point. I am disagreeing with the notion that he was outputting CE at full before Mahoraga fight. Nobody was able to see and fell his power at maximum before.

If he wasn't outputting it at full he'd grow in strength the moment a fight starts or when they tried attacking Cross, or Yuji would have felt that he went from Sukuna level to "waaay stronger" and would realise he's out of his league but he does not. Yuji appears in chapter 20 which is AFTER the kick in chapter 19 and STILL says he could handle Dabura while he's very clearly relative to Sukuna and Gojo, Dabura's strength did not change and there's a reason why, again, Gege wrote Tsurugi saying that the inspector general's judgement is good despite not even liking/being bias against the guy.

?!?
I didn't address them cus I(and many others) literally used these args to argue scaling of Yuji to Dabura. Unsuccessfully.
And I think it's fair to expect that staff won't except these args in next CRT too.
Unless you can find more args, that weren't already presented in that CRT

We should stop treating staff like gospel. Especially because they didn't even answer to those points, they ignored it cause they know they are wrong lol.

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To better put it in a list so you can see:

• Inspector General measures Dabura's power as a threat on Sukuna's level, his judgement is stated as good that should be trusted and is never contradicted alongside MULTIPLE other characters having the same feeling and confirmation that Dabura IS sukuna level upon seeing him so it is supported, and then even FURTHER supported by Promo Material;
• After already knowing this, Miyaguni (who trained under Yuji) and the headquarters decide that Yuji should duel Dabura, this is them making a clear cut out statement that via their measurements, yes, Yuji can handle Dabura (or at the very least compares to him)
• With knowing that Yuji ~ Dabura measurements, we know from other statements that Yuji despite if you think he is weaker or stronger, is very much comparable to Gojo and if not straight up just an equal to Sukuna via his latent potential.
• Therefore, Yuji ~= Sukuna ~ Gojo ~ Jujutsu's Measurements on Dabura (which are treated as trusted and good alongside never contradicted and massively supported); This then gets further proved right by the fact that even after chapter 19 where Dabura did the kick, in chapter 20 Yuji still says he could handle him. (Unless you think Yuji is delusional this is clear cut him saying that Dabura is not that much above him at the very least)

So from that we find out that Yuji ~= Sukuna ~ Gojo ~ Dabura quite easily. It's that simple.

Also, it seems that Dabura CT(?) can amplify his strength overall. So when he was doing sublight kick his durability was increased too

Currently just waiting for permission to post the response to that, it's wrong.

 

[Sus]

Which is why I also showed the promo material also saying he is Sukuna's level and a threat not seen since Sukuna, the intent is that they are at the same level, which I then added by showing Yuji stuff.
Miyaguni (who we now have confirmation was trained under Yuji) quite literally says Yuji should be the one to duel Dabura and their salvation, so within their measures on Dabura, Yuji would be able to at least compare to him in power. The only way of saying that Dabura is not comparable to both is by saying their measures was wrong which is unsubstantiated and has multiple stuff against it.

If he wasn't outputting it at full he'd grow in strength the moment a fight starts or when they tried attacking Cross, or Yuji would have felt that he went from Sukuna level to "waaay stronger" and would realise he's out of his league but he does not. Yuji appears in chapter 20 which is AFTER the kick in chapter 19 and STILL says he could handle Dabura while he's very clearly relative to Sukuna and Gojo, Dabura's strength did not change and there's a reason why, again, Gege wrote Tsurugi saying that the inspector general's judgement is good despite not even liking/being bias against the guy.


We should stop treating staff like gospel. Especially because they didn't even answer to those points, they ignored it cause they know they are wrong lol.

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To better put it in a list so you can see:

• Inspector General measures Dabura's power as a threat on Sukuna's level, his judgement is stated as good that should be trusted and is never contradicted alongside MULTIPLE other characters having the same feeling and confirmation that Dabura IS sukuna level upon seeing him so it is supported, and then even FURTHER supported by Promo Material;
• After already knowing this, Miyaguni (who trained under Yuji) and the headquarters decide that Yuji should duel Dabura, this is them making a clear cut out statement that via their measurements, yes, Yuji can handle Dabura (or at the very least compares to him)
• With knowing that Yuji ~ Dabura measurements, we know from other statements that Yuji despite if you think he is weaker or stronger, is very much comparable to Gojo and if not straight up just an equal to Sukuna via his latent potential.
• Therefore, Yuji ~= Sukuna ~ Gojo ~ Jujutsu's Measurements on Dabura (which are treated as trusted and good alongside never contradicted); This then gets further proved right by the fact that even after chapter 19 where Dabura did the kick, in chapter 20 Yuji still says he could handle him.

So from that we find out that Yuji ~= Sukuna ~ Gojo ~ Dabura quite easily. It's that simple.



Currently just waiting for permission to post the response to that, it's wrong.

lit the only reason they are rejecting this idea is because it makes sukuna much higher than the feats he showcased

which is just a cross verse issue

 

[Rodriiogo]

lit the only reason they are rejecting this idea is because it makes sukuna much higher than the feats he showcased

which is just a cross verse issue

It's funny cause the earthquake feat from Gojo should be island level as well (even stronger than Dabura's acceleration), the only reason it ain't accepted as that was "outlier" and people not understanding the story.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Which is why I also showed the promo material also saying he is Sukuna's level

Sukuna level incident/thread.

Yuji appears in chapter 20 which is AFTER the kick in chapter 19 and STILL says he could handle Dabura

You don't need to present args that I have already used

Currently just waiting for permission to post the response to that, it's wrong.

 

[Sus]

It's funny cause the earthquake feat from Gojo should be island level as well (even stronger than Dabura's acceleration), the only reason it ain't accepted as that was "outlier" and people not understanding the story.

the story wants you to believe that sukuna = dabura
whether this makes them tier 8 or tier 6 it should not matter

 

[Rodriiogo]

Sukuna level incident/thread.

Yea but as I just said, the reason they consider him a sukuna level incident/threat... is his strength/power. It's why their plan to stop the threat.... was sending someone that is ~= to Sukuna to duel Dabura lol, they wouldn't do this if they were actually talking about "he is a sukuna level threat but way stronger!"

You don't need to present args that I have already used

I was explaining to you why that correlates to Sukuna in the list below and why all those statements that I showed together DO prove the "calamity grades" are all comparable.

the story wants you to believe that sukuna = dabura
whether this makes them tier 8 or tier 6 it should not matter

Yea I was just saying, they are still wrong even with their agenda regardless considering if they removed the word "Outlier" from their head (because it ain't an outlier), Gojo would have an island level feat even above Dabura's acceleration feat (which Dabura should still scale relative to of course lol) making the island level acceleration consistent regardless

 

[Qurbonboev]

It's funny cause the earthquake feat from Gojo should be island level as well (even stronger than Dabura's acceleration), the only reason it ain't accepted as that was "outlier" and people not understanding the story.

Are you referring to this feat?
It was nuked mainly because there was pretty clear contradiction against Gojo actually creating magnitude 9 earthquake, not because of outlier concerns.

Yea but as I just said, the reason they consider him a sukuna level incident/threat... is his strength/power.

He is Sukuna level threat because his powers allows him to singlehandedly wipe out Jujutsu Society. Sukuna can do same and he can do it perfectly fine with only H7-C AP instead of Dabura 6-C.

I am not gonna bother to explain again and again why two chars having same threat level doesn't mean relativity in stats, when they both are maxed out on threat level.
You too would be better off just preparing CRT on your own, or idk, improving JJK profiles.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Are you referring to this feat?
It was nuked mainly because there was pretty clear contradiction against Gojo actually creating magnitude 9 earthquake, not because of outlier concerns.

That one is Mountain level and no it isn't because of magnitude. It's just that the current feat uses the aritificial formula for the earthquake when the real one should be used for reasons I will explain when I eventually tackle that in the big revision CRT, the reason it was rejected like 2 years ago for the real formula to be used was it being called an "Outlier", already talked with people on discord about it so.

 

[Mommyleona]

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Rodri

 

[Rodriiogo]

Rodri

It's not thaaaat long...

 

[Ozcantabak]

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isn't this obvious? (genuinely asking not being rude)

mahoraga cant adapt to something you didn't show him-

Alright fair points. But doesn't this actually mean Mahoraga adapting to physicals has limits ?

• Sukuna no sells Maho, Maho then spins the wheel and overpowers him.
• Dabura dominates Maho with his light and easily blocks Maho's attakcs, Maho adapts and starts beating on Dabura.
• Gojo fights an adapted Mahoraga but instead of getting overpowered, he is the one actually beating Mahoraga ?

Like, sure even if we say that Mahoraga only adapted to a slightly holding back Gojo's physicals (which come on bro no way Gojo held back his physicals at all when he was dragging Sukuna across Shinjuku) and when he got summoned Gojo stopped holding back and beat Maho, that still doesn't explain why Maho didn't adapt to that destipe fighting him for multiple chapters and even spinning the wheel once to make a WCS. This implies the strength level Mahoraga can adapt to has a limit, and he hit that limit in shinjuku, but then it's stated Modulo Mahoraga is the strongest so he doesn't have a limit ???

 

[Sus]

mahoraga doesn't rely on physicals most of the time

 

[Rodriiogo]

Alright fair points. But doesn't this actually mean Mahoraga adapting to physicals has limits ?

• Sukuna no sells Maho, Maho then spins the wheel and overpowers him.
• Dabura dominates Maho with his light and easily blocks Maho's attakcs, Maho adapts and starts beating on Dabura.
• Gojo fights an adapted Mahoraga but instead of getting overpowered, he is the one actually beating Mahoraga ?

Like, sure even if we say that Mahoraga only adapted to a slightly holding back Gojo's physicals (which come on bro no way Gojo held back his physicals at all when he was dragging Sukuna across Shinjuku) and when he got summoned Gojo stopped holding back and beat Maho, that still doesn't explain why Maho didn't adapt to that destipe fighting him for multiple chapters and even spinning the wheel once to make a WCS. This implies the strength level Mahoraga can adapt to has a limit, and he hit that limit in shinjuku, but then it's stated Modulo Mahoraga is the strongest so he doesn't have a limit ???

I think the reason on why Mahoraga is unable to adapt to Gojo's punches fully is because, as we know, Gojo is enhancing his punches with Blue the entire fight, this means that what Mahoraga is adapting to everytime Gojo is punching is Blue, which would also explain why Mahoraga was already FULLY adapted to blue and black flashes at the end but not to gojo's regular punches and red. Gojo is essentially tricking the adaptation to adapting to blue but not to the punch itself. As Dabura says, Mahoraga only has a easier time adapting to brute force, if he is being hit with a complex technique he doesn't have as easy of a time adapting to it. Blue is an extremely complex technique so Mahoraga was having trouble to adapt to the blue enhanced punches and was using his adaptation on adapting to blue instead. So he adapted to the punches but his adaptation cant go further because it already "adapted" to those punches, but that doesnt filter down the brute force of it as it's filtering blue out instead.

Basically everytime Gojo is punching him, the adaptation started adapting to Blue and at the end adapted to Blue to nulify the punches, not Gojo's brute force which is why said brute force is still extremely effective against Mahoraga, even more than a black flash (as Mahoraga adapted to the phenomenon of black flash instead). Same way Gojo's punches are extremely effective on Sukuna who has higher dura than Mahoraga as proved by the purple at the end.

Or I could be wrong and it's as simple as just a blunder by Gege or him not thinking about maho adapting to gojo punches but I think this can be easily explained like this for a proper reasoning.

 

[Sus]

one of my favorite panels