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Time Baby fights another Chaos seeker (Time Baby vs. Jevil) [0-7-0]

Qurbonboev said:
1. As it currently stands, attacks in UTDR do both spiritual and physical damage simultaneously. So it's just DR characters reacting to getting hurt physically. (And Ralsei gets hurt despite not having soul in the first place).
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Kris felt pain and was damaged when they kicked the soul while it was actively outside of their body on the weird route. Pain clearly transfers between the soul and the body it's attached to.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Doesn’t Kris recoil when just their SOUL gets hurt in the Shadow Mantle fight?
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Thanks for reminding about this.
Still:
A) I would rather interpret as DR chars being able to feel damage to their soul, than DR chars soul damage being able to physically affect opponents through soul
B) Idk how that recoil was painful to Kris
C) Idk someone with much higher physical dura would feel painful recoil
 
Also, don't forget that one of main arguments for Jevil was that even with his soulhax not being oneshot, his dense danmaku coupled with Time Baby not having INV frames and being very big target, would ensure that if he get hits, he would likely get hit by several bullets at once, ensuring he would get oneshot regardless.
If Time Baby does experience painful recoil from Jevil attack, he would win if he gets only once, but existence of recoil would also disorient him for a while, increasing chances of getting hit
 
you can easily say the fra here aren’t legit at all because they are ignoring the new massive piece of evidence that shoots the old win condition in the face.
Legitimately the op shouldn’t be counting them plan and simple
 
Keeweed said:
you can easily say the fra here aren’t legit at all because they are ignoring the new massive piece of evidence that shoots the old win condition in the face.
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What new massive piece of evidence again? Leaving at Hyperversal Range, something TB never showed to do? Or ignoring his canonical weakness?
 
The main arguement for all the fra above is time baby won’t nuke because he won’t know to do so. He’ll absolutely know to do so when he feels his soul get the crap kicked out of it one second in.
 
Keeweed said:
The main arguement for all the fra above is time baby won’t nuke because he won’t know to do so.
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No? The main argument is that TB will get overwhelmed due to canonical weakness i.e. lack of object permanence, and spam + dura neg will take him out before he can consider anything serious.
Keeweed said:
He’ll absolutely know to do so when he feels his soul get the crap kicked out of it one second in.
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You do know he posits himself as protector of the timeline, right? Like, the entire reason he fought me- I mean, Bill, instead of joining?
 
That’s clearly not why when half the people who fra did so after saying time baby won’t feel it to just nuke. That was directly stated by people voting
 
Also he has enough object permanence to fight bill. He sees jevil for a second and jevil dies
 
Keeweed said:
That’s clearly not why when half the people who fra did so after saying time baby won’t feel it to just nuke. That was directly stated by people voting
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Baselessly claiming things without proof is not a good practice.
Keeweed said:
Also he has enough object permanence to fight bill.
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Could be because he just tanks and resists everything Bill throws, Bill doesn't have dura neg that kills TB in a matter of seconds.
Keeweed said:
He sees jevil for a second and he dies
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Funnily enough, the same guy who is explicitly described as being easilydistracted by jiggling keys!
 
it was literally last page man. Multiple people arguing for jevil because time baby won’t feel it. That’s nearly word for word.
We see a shot of time baby fighting bill, he goes towards him and fights him. Nowhere is it shown bill has to repeatedly start the fight because time baby kept forgetting every three nanoseconds. Jevil doing anything here gives time baby all the reasons in the universe to instantly nuke the area, it’s not like the bill laser where he died instantly, he’ll have time to realized (oh yeah dying is bad)
He can be distracted by keys, jevil doesn’t have keys or a key like object here.
 
Keeweed said:
That’s clearly not why when half the people who fra did so after saying time baby won’t feel it to just nuke. That was directly stated by people voting
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Even if he was able to feel it, there is a gaint possibility that Jevil would likely oneshot him
Qurbonboev said:
Also, don't forget that one of main arguments for Jevil was that even with his soulhax not being oneshot, his dense danmaku coupled with Time Baby not having INV frames and being very big target, would ensure that if he get hits, he would likely get hit by several bullets at once, ensuring he would get oneshot regardless.
If Time Baby does experience painful recoil from Jevil attack, he would win if he gets only once, but existence of recoil would also disorient him for a while, increasing chances of getting hit
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Honestly I find the way we treat the soul attack in deltrune to be a bit silly with the “equalized to hp” thing we do. But since we do that, I picked up deltrune first time to fight Jevil for a friend and won first time. Many of his first moves are survivable if you do anything more than stand still continuously. Time baby can fly and if he does anything the barrage stops because Jevil is dead.
 
Keeweed said:
it was literally last page man. Multiple people arguing for jevil because time baby won’t feel it. That’s nearly word for word.
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Nice, now we are just making stuff up. Bring actual evidence or stop false accusations.
Keeweed said:
We see a shot of time baby fighting bill, he goes towards him and fights him.
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Yeah, nowhere did I see him leave on Hyperversal range and nuke everything! Again, this guy is a protector of the timeline.
Keeweed said:
Nowhere is it shown bill has to repeatedly start the fight because time baby kept forgetting every three nanoseconds.
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Good thing I never claimed this!
Keeweed said:
Jevil doing anything here gives time baby all the reasons in the universe to instantly nuke the area, it’s not like the bill laser where he died instantly
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It will be quick enough though, besides he initially would view Jevil as mere mortal.
Keeweed said:
He can be distracted by keys, jevil doesn’t have keys or a key like object here.
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You do realize that the point is that his concentration is not worth a damn?
 
Keeweed said:
Honestly I find the way we treat the soul attack in deltrune to be a bit silly with the “equalized to hp” thing we do. But since we do that, I picked up deltrune first time to fight Jevil for a friend and won first time. Many of his first moves are survivable if you do anything more than stand still continuously.
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You know we can undermine any fight like that, right? "Oh I was half-asleep in 3 AM while being beaten up in kidnapped capture but beat Sans first time blind no hit, he is easy to dodge unless you turn off the game", these types of semantics do not really work.
 
I have to sleep now. But I would recommend a revote. And I mean purely to fully remove the “he won’t notice” from the equation because that is absolutely there with some of the old votes having Jevil win. If people revote him again without that absolutely fair, I can see where the argument comes from, but right now I think many of the votes are questionable
Qurbonboev said:
Yea whoop his ass JEVIL


His 5-B ass is not going to get hurt from 8-A attacks at all. Sure, his soul is gonna get melted from attacks. But Time Baby doesn't have anything in P&A that would suggests he would be aware of this. From his perspective Jevil is nothing more than annoying fly, and would remain so till his soul is shattered. Would you nuke the planet due to some fly?(Also, I don't remember Gravity Falls that well, but I don't think nuking Earth is in character for him at all).
Jevil is not as lethal as Sans. But Time Baby doesn't have INV, and is big ass target. Something like this(or giant devilknife), if it manages to hit him properly, would kill him.
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again the evidence is one page back. This is where the fra train started and most the conversation was at. You even liked this post, the one saying he won’t feel it, the thing you are saying I am making up despite being only a single page back.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
You know we can undermine any fight like that, right? "Oh I was half-asleep in 3 AM while being beaten up in kidnapped capture but beat Sans first time blind no hit, he is easy to dodge unless you turn off the game", these types of semantics do not really work.
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I knew you would twist it that way. I mean purely that Jevil, even if you stand still, with the current standards, can’t shred you nigh immediately. His opponent will 100% have time to react and dodge the first barrage enough to survive unless like everything hits them
 
Keeweed said:
I have to sleep now. But I would recommend a revote. And I mean purely to fully remove the “he won’t notice” from the equation because that is absolutely there with some of the old votes having Jevil win. If people revote him again without that absolutely fair, I can see where the argument comes from, but right now I think many of the votes are questionable
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Maybe just give Jevil's votes to TB and multiply them by 618 instead?
Keeweed said:
again the evidence is one page back. This is where the fra train started and most the conversation was at. You even liked this post, the one saying he won’t feel it, the thing you are saying I am making up despite being only a single page back.
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I don't see any such posts claiming he won't feel anything, so you are indeed making stuff up.
Keeweed said:
I knew you would twist it that way. I mean purely that Jevil, even if you stand still, with the current standards, can’t shred you nigh immediately. His opponent will 100% have time to react and dodge the first barrage enough to survive unless like everything hits them
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Buddy, many DR players get hit once or twice from first attack, and every single one of them already beat Undertale and most of Ch1 at this point. Ya got any TB feats where he fights Danmaku? Oh, and don't forget that the Baby IS FAT!
 
Just revote.
Ask everyone who previously voted on their current opinion on light of new evidence.
(Thought I heavily doubts it would even matter at all)
Qurbonboev said:
Thanks for reminding about this.
Still:
A) I would rather interpret as DR chars being able to feel damage to their soul, than DR chars soul damage being able to physically affect opponents through soul
B) Idk how that recoil was painful to Kris
C) Idk someone with much higher physical dura would feel painful recoil
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Qurbonboev said:
Also, don't forget that one of main arguments for Jevil was that even with his soulhax not being oneshot, his dense danmaku coupled with Time Baby not having INV frames and being very big target, would ensure that if he get hits, he would likely get hit by several bullets at once, ensuring he would get oneshot regardless.
If Time Baby does experience painful recoil from Jevil attack, he would win if he gets only once, but existence of recoil would also disorient him for a while, increasing chances of getting hit
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If y'all want to recount then just remake a matchup ig, I don't see a guy bragging off how he allegedly casually beat Jevil first try being a serious ground to just nuking the thread, thank you very much.
 
Just in case I’ll still vote Jevil because of him being able to overwhelm Time Baby with his teleportation and multiple projectiles, Time Baby shouldn’t really notice any of the SOUL damage, and Time Baby will be soaking up many of the projectiles due to his large size
 
Qurbonboev said:
About FRA train. 4 votes for Jevil were given after new pieces of evidence for Baby were already presented and discussed. Me and @TheOrangeGuy09 aren't changing our votes. So it's leaving two votes for Jevil that were casted before new args.
Are you two gonna change your votes or keep it?
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The argument from earlier kinda still stands does it not? It was hardly refuted and even then THAT was disproven.

He’s keeping my vote.
 
I don’t get it, what stomps Time Baby from stomping with TK?

Since GF has mindscape, wouldn’t Time Baby’s soul have NEP and stuff too? Stopping Jevil’s hax?
 
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